Thread: EV general discussion

Just look at what people are asking for a 10 year old Nissan Leaf and most will still have the original battery.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Several years ago I sold my Citroen for the same as I paid for it 25 years earlier. It is not just four wheel drives.

And on four wheel drives, I could sell my 2a today for more than twice what I paid for it over thirty years ago, and probably get as much as I paid for my County thirty years ago.

How is that really relevant?

The 2a is considered a classic car. I have an old Lotus, it's probably worth 10 times what the original owner paid.

Driving around the city here, It's extremely rare to see classic cars being used for transport. Even if everyone wanted to use them to transport their families.. There aren't enough of them. Strawman.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

Just look at what people are asking for a 10 year old Nissan Leaf and most will still have the original battery.

Asking price is very different to actual selling price…

$70K for a new one, asking $12 to $16K for a 10YO one. Getting???

Ouch…

EVs would not be divisive if they were sold and taxed equally to ICE vehicles.

The evidence is in now that they are not better for the planet than ICE vehicles so why subsidise them?

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

That's not the norm. That's the 4x4 bubble playing out. My defender is worth more than I paid for it new 18 years ago. It was worth half what it is now in 2019.

It's not normal and it won't last. Sorry.

Doesn’t matter if it does or doesn’t - just pointing out what we are currently getting after you said 10YO ICE vehicle are worth nothing.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

EVs would not be divisive if they were sold and taxed equally to ICE vehicles.

The evidence is in now that they are not better for the planet than ICE vehicles so why subsidise them?

Regards PhilipA

Hmmm... not taxed equally? We've been subsidising ICE vehicles in wild and creative ways since forever.

Utes beaut? Tax write-offs are carrying the hopes of Australia's recovery

And the evidence? Really? If you want to believe that I'm sure you can find plenty to back you.

If you really want to do something for the environment then don't drive anything. The only green car trip.

Unfortunately most people are reluctant to give cars up. So an EV is somewhat better, and will continue to get better as the grid greens. Meanwhile your diesel will continue to emit 2.7KG of CO2 per litre, plus the overheads of exploration, mining, transport, refining which no one ever really accounts for....

Originally Posted by Homestar

Asking price is very different to actual selling price…

$70K for a new one, asking $12 to $16K for a 10YO one. Getting???

Ouch…

It's going to be hard to find a 10yo leaf in Australia, considering there were only a handful imported. And they were and are a steaming pile of rubbish. In QLD they need replacement packs in as little as 30k. Hopeless.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Asking price is very different to actual selling price…

$70K for a new one, asking $12 to $16K for a 10YO one. Getting???

Ouch…

With the current used car market - more like asking $16K to $22K on a vehicle that was $47K +ORC when new in 2012.

So even if selling for half this - not worthless by any measure but could be a good buy for someone wanting an affordable entry point into an EV that will just be used around town.

The point remains - yes the used car market is high at present, but electric vehicles do not become worthless after 10 years. You will also start to see companies offer aftermarket battery pack upgrades to even the older Leaf models which will give them another 10-15 years life.