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Yes I have no concern that diesel won't be available at reasonable cost for a long long time. It's cheap and sensible for a 2 tonn plus 4wd in Australia and still safe (albeit a little less safe since low sulphur was introduced in terms of static). With DPF it seems to hit a balance too in terms of the emissions.
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Maybe - but horses and buggies were still pretty much in evidence in my childhood nearly thirty years after the Model T ceased production and nearly fifty years after the turn of the tweniteth century. By the time I was in highschool in the mid 1950s they were getting to the stage of "oh!, there's something unusual", but they were still around. When I started primary school almost nobody in our street owned a car (I think they slightly outnumbered horses though).Quote:
Originally Posted by goingbush
The last Cobb & Co coach ran between Surat and Wallumbillah in 1929, almost thirty years after the turn of the 20th century.
Although in some respects the change may well mirror the change from horses in the twentieth century. In farming for example, in this country, while tractors appeared early in the century, they had little impact on most farms until after WW2. As an example, one of my nieces is married to a man who, in his primary school days, often had to get up early, round up the horses and harvest them before breakfast, reversing the process after school. The farm my sister and her husband bought in 1970 had only acquired a motor vehicle in the 1950s, and had never owned a tractor.
Certainly in this country, the change to motor cars took far longer than twenty years. Not just replacing horses - remember that until the 1950s or even 1960s, the normal mode of long distance travel for most people was train.
Seems to me that a changeover of thirty years is more likely, although since the takeup of cars was strongly influenced by two world wars and the Great Depression, it all depends on other events!
They're not banning the sales of petrol and diesel fuels, they're banning the sales of new vehicles using them. That includes hybrids.
Europe is already moving to Euro VI emissions standards, which are probably about as clean as it can get, for example with sulphur and carbon dioxide emissions cut to minute levels, without going electric.
Dieselgate was about cheating the standards, not the standards themselves.
I expect EVs will quickly take over the market for vehicles for shorter trips, say up to about 400ks a day, which would work for most people. Long distance will be harder and require a lot more charging stations and truck and bus depots with fast charging.
Public transport will become much more important. High speed electric rail between major cities will largely replace airlines. Ride sharing apps and Uber style services will flourish.
There will be disruption, but it can be done.
The future is interesting. The only firm prediction is that change is inevitable. The key question is whether we fight it or make it work for us.
That last sentence, if what is being posted reads correct should be...
Do we fight it, or let it make us work for it. It certainly won’t enable the lifestyles we current have with regards to travel, timing, ease of refueling etc.
except the sale of new horses wasnt banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by goingbush
Hit the nail on the head, going to be a huge lifestyle adjustment required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Actually the article says CARS,not vehicles.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
So I presume anything that is not a car is not included in the ban?
Such as light commercial vehicles.
In fact it’s only a half arsed job,as light commercial vehicles do huge mileages often dragging quite a lot of weight around,and therefore a large contributor to emissions.
This BBC story says cars and vans. Doesn't mention buses and trucks.
Says they are bringing it forward from 2040 to 3035 to reduce the number of diesel and petrol vehicles still around in 2050 when they want to reach net zero emissions.
Petrol and diesel car sales ban brought forward to 2035 - BBC News
Wouldn't it be easier to build an EV chassis skateboard for a van than a car, because the 'skateboard' can be longer and have a flat floor, so more batteries could be fitted than in a car?
I will take more notice of what the poms say when they stop replacing coal with wood chips imported from the USA, and counting them as renewable .
woodchips are more polluting than coal.
10% of all UK power.
regards PhilipA