Cynical Moi?
Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot
Nor would I when one considers the difference in Firefighting Equipment & a Bloke's impediment.
Why would anyone risk a Barbecued Todger,certainly not me & I doubt many of you would who are more suited to a Pedal powered Kiddy Car fire?
Swaggie
LordRover
SubscriberSo, two wrongs make a right in your book? They don't in mine.
BTW, the Diesel Evoque sponcom saga gets lots of coverage. Thing is though, they are easy to extinguish, and so far haven't locked their occupants inside a mobile crematorium, as some Teslas appear to have.
JayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
1994 D1 300TDi Manual: Dave
1980 SIII Petrol Tray: Doris
OKApotamus #74
Nanocom, D2 TD5 only.
ChatterBox
SubscriberI was at the Tokyo Motor Show yesterday (which is officially now the Tokyo Mobility Show, but everyone ignores that and continues calling it the Motor Show) and BYD had a very large stand that was actually one of the most popular and crowded of the stands there - which suggests trouble for the Japanese manufacturers in the near future. On the basis of what was there yesterday the Japanese companies are way behind on EVs and not really in the running. Honda, for example, had a spiffy Honda-white petrol generator that they had set up to charge an electric delivery van - but I had a closer look and it was just my red Honda generator with a coat of white paint and why would the van need to be recharged remotely .... In contrast the Japanese parts manufactuers are all over batteries and had all sorts of tech on show. There was also one group that were doing EV conversions of 60 series Land Cruisers, another on Fiat Bambinos - range 23km presumably. I'll post some photos next week.
Edit: was a 60 series Land Cruiser, not an 80.
Arapiles
2014 D4 HSE
ForumSage
Blah blah blah.. more Toyota FUD. What do you do if you've been caught out and don't have what the market wants to buy? Fire up the FUD hose and try and spray as many as you can in the hope that you won't continue to bleed customers while you try and catch up.
Toyota have been inundating the local press with "Please wait.. don't buy an EV now!" articles over the last little while.
I thought this was a particularly desperate attempt.
The car Toyota wants to kickstart electric sales in Australia | CarExpert
2005 Defender 110
ForumSage
I park my cars under my house. If a car catches fire the house is done. I can assure you - the way that freelander burned it would make no difference. ICE cars spontaneously catching fire it not really a new thing. It's massively common. It's just not newsworthy. Unlike EV fires.. which are world press worthy.
But by all means spray the FUD!
EV's pose less fire risk than ICE cars (1/20th!). Yes when they go they can be harder to stop. It was one of the reasons why I was happy to have an LFP battery which aren't predisposed to "thermal runaway" events. Everything is a risk in life.
Electric vehicle fires are very rare. The risk for petrol and diesel vehicles is at least 20 times higher
2005 Defender 110
Swaggie
They haven't and never will be.
The biggest manufacturers are not stupid,they know the global new vehicle market better than anyone else.
Lets just wait and see what happens,not listen to keyboard warriors that think they know but generally have no idea what the manufacturers are actually doing.
The manufacturers that are already getting caught out are those,mainly European,that were beating their chests about going to all EV by a certain date.
The backflips are already starting.
ForumSage
I disagree. The biggest manufacturers have been caught by surprise by EV's. Yes the europeans in particular - but also the Japanese who are just starting to feel the pain.
Certainly if you look at how hard Toyotas marketing people are working on this they are very concerned. Not sure about the engineering side.
2005 Defender 110
Swaggie
We will have to agree to disagree.....
LordRover
SubscriberI have worked in the automotive and transport industries all of my adult life and I have never seen a car or truck spontaneously combust. Plenty of fires, all of them caused by some failure of system, usually poor maintenance or physical damage. Of course, these can happen to anything.
Believe that if you like. All I'm doing is passing on information for you to take or leave. I am on record on this forum as having no skin in this game, as there is absolutely no chance of me buying an EV OR a Land Rover product from the last decade. Even the last of the real Defenders. Stupid prices stop me on that last one. I am also on record here as saying that, taken in isolation, EVs are great urban cars. But I can't take them in isolation. They are absolutely impractical for my purposes, and their environmental credentials are pure fabrication. I despise anything that attracts huge subsidies for an item only the better heeled can afford to buy at the expense of those who cannot, and impose massive imposts on essential infrastructure. I do not give a toss if you like them or not. Buy as many as you like. But it's you that seems to feel the need to defend your choices.
That article is a maze of statistical gibberish. Such articles, for and against, abound. This claim
is not backed up except by EVFiresafe data, which of course is unbiased. Which is it, 20 or 80?? Or neither? It is a rather large discrepancy in an article purported to be factual.Despite these incidents, electric vehicle battery fires are rare. Indeed, the available data indicate the fire risk is between 20 and 80 times greater for petrol and diesel vehicles.
Like I said, buy what you like. I would prefer if you didn't ask me to pay for a portion of the purchase, or subsequent recharging. But you do.
JayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
1994 D1 300TDi Manual: Dave
1980 SIII Petrol Tray: Doris
OKApotamus #74
Nanocom, D2 TD5 only.
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