Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

This is a real problem. EV's offer less benefits over ICE if you can't charge at home. And it's OK to say "It's not going to work for me at this point".

At this point though it's ok to focus on people who can charge at home. There are 10.9 million dwellings in Australia and 21.3 million vehicles. Even if only half the houses are suitable for home charging, that's probably 10 million vehicles that would have access to home charging. At the moment there is still less than 200,000 EV's on Australia's roads. Let's focus on the easy wins.

It's likely in years to come that there will be more options for people who can't charge at home.

Well said - if only there was that much sense going around (on both sides) of this conversation.

hear hear. Harry has put the finger on most issues with EV's. I guess these are the cowboy years of EV's. Just like the ICE has had. It took a long long time before 6 digit tamper proof ODOmeters came around and even mandatory. We need this exact legislation for batteries. When an ICE has been trashed it usually shows in the engine, not so with a BEV. On the other hand, with warranty's as they are you will find out soon enough so... maybe?

Most governments will not be in any hurry though since that would mean the net result would be that BEV's are just not a good deal, for your pocket or environment (and no I am not just talking CO2, I should make that my signature: when I talk about environment I do not just mean CO2 :P)

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Didn’t know if this should be here or in funny pics.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Didn’t know if this should be here or in funny pics.

Both!! That's going straight to the pool room

I know he's a bit too anti, but this one is interesting. Should have happened years ago.

If anyone is looking for the sheet mentioned in Harry's video:

TB test results - Google Sheets

Has some nice real life data in it regarding EV's.

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Originally Posted by Tins

I know he's a bit too anti, but this one is interesting. Should have happened years ago.

I didn't bother watching it. Anyone who thinks EV's are "zero emission" is delusional anyway.

What we really need people to do is to stop driving everywhere. Live locally, catch PT, ride, walk. Unfortunately we've poured soo many resources into making cars irresistible that no surprise, we're not getting enough volunteers for the better choices. Yes this won't work for everyone but it's early days yet.

So EV's are better than ICE. That's what we're going for. EV's unlike ICE will continue to get lower emissions as our grid becomes more renewable. That's why the longer we delay the transition the harder it's going to be to hit targets, and the more likely hood that we will have to take measures to actively discourage ICE at some point (sorry).

As an example - I live in a big city. There are lots of transport options. In general the three drivers in this household can use one car. If I need to go to the shops and the car is away I just take the ebike. When I'm in the office I ride. Short trip to the shops for bread and milk.. even the wife now takes the ebike as it's quicker. My kid rides to school (9k return, more if sport) every day. Anyway the upshot is our EV is doing all the city driving. In 8 months of ownership it's never needed to be charged out of the house, and the defender sits at home on charge. It's done 400k since I got back from the Simpson in early Oct - including a week in bribie and a trip to MR. That's right - I haven't been to a servo since we passed through Toowoomba on the way home nearly five months ago, and it's still got half a tank left.

I know this won't work for everyone - often for reasons that are real and not easily changed. But I'm also convinced that many people could try somewhat harder. I acknowledge that that's not a popular opinion, but we're going to have to confront it sometime. In the meantime we need to make it attractive to make better choices.