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Exactly - the same is likely to apply to new makers entering the market, selling in small numbers for each model. It does not matter whether they are EVs or not - same applies. And this applies to virtually all EVs currently sold here, but especially the plethora of ones from China that nobody has ever heard of before (for any sort of car!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins
It appears nearly half of Aussies aren't thrilled with their EV's. Globally just under 1/3rd would switch. So much for 'Once you switch to an EV, you'll never go back'
Almost half of Australian EV owners would go back to petrol, diesel | CarExpert
800,000 km - one battery change at 666000km [bigrolf] Devils work in NSW [biggrin] First brake pads at 460000km- Only as it was in for a service as the owner asked about the pads [bigrolf]Thats impressive in my book!Quote:
Originally Posted by Homestar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOFfKQ7SxEg&t=3s
Impressive indeed! Reminds me of those mercedes's from the 70's and 80's that could do a million without much trouble. Unfortunately they are a rare bread these days, just like EV's with such high mileage. :) Still, the guy owning that much be a lucky bloke :)
-P
Just to put this in perspective - my 1986 110 is well over 700,000km, engine is untouched except for servicing and seals etc. Injectors overhauled about 100,000km ago, Only on the second set of front brake pads, fourth set of rear shoes.
Other repairs have included swivels, tie rod ends, two clutches, several sets of shocks, one wheel bearing, steering box, drive flanges, one halfaxle (worn spline), and numerous seals and electrical bits.
I'm not overly surprised. if you get enough miles driven while the battery is young, it may hold up. Try a 5->8 year old battery. This is my biggest issue with electric cars. they are basically only transport for the wealthy. by the time they hit the used market. they may have a battery that will last ... but just as likely will not. How long do you get from you laptop, ipad, battery tools, phone .... it is the same battery, not just the same type ... the same battery.Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyDiver
How much will you give me for a 5 year old phone, even if its un-used ? .... :)
so by wealthy, you have a car ready to be thrown to the scrap heap in the very near future ... that may require a $20,000+ battery soon, so is effectively utterly worthless, especially if the poor bastard that buys it ends up liable for the battery disposal costs (which I can see already will be HUGE, expensive and downright dangerous).... ie: only the wealthy that can afford a new car will get to drive. you could buy a 5 year old one coming off lease (so long as you don't end up being liable for its battery disposal), but you certainly wouldn't pay more than pocket change for it .... because it may suddently stop working at the drop of a hat, at any time.
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Shane L.
Brought five second hand Mobile phones during Covid for my Doctors to stop them having to use their own when we cranked up phone and Video appointments . They were Iphones and few years old. I am a tight ass[bigrolf]Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
My laptop is over 5 years old and the battery is only 40-50% as good as it was. The old phones are about 80% I think.
"that may require a $20,000+" Google "tesla model 3 battery replacement cost" and you'll find prices 1/2 that Note that the second hand engine I put in my D3 cost about that cost[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle] RE "because it may suddenly stop working at the drop of a hat, at any time. "My D3 suddenly stopped working while on my front lawn![bawl][bawl][bawl]
Fully Appreciate 10 to 20K replacement battery would be painful. My Discos replacement engine was as well. Noting my usual service place suggested twice the price that I managed to find! A ICE replacement engine /gear box cost is possibly more likley than a battery? Quick search for "how likely is a engine or gear box replacement in a high milage car"
With many tens of thousands of bits in our ICE cars compared to the few bits in a EV betting which has higher maitaince costs is possibly easy. What Are The Most Common Parts To Fail In High Mileage Cars? (iloadengine.com.au) Both my D3s had significant work on them which I had suspected on the very high km traveled on the first. I didn't appreciate the engine on the 2nd one going BANG with its much lower km traveled[tonguewink]
Re "only transport for the wealthy" Any newish Landrover is not a poor persons transport option either [biggrin]
Just stop for a minute. You appear to think I'm attacking. I'm just laying out facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyDiver
https://i.redd.it/e2mmhjme8i391.png
it is a 3 second google search to verify these batteries are at least $20,000 to replace.
Google 18650 cells. your capacity even it doesn't completely die by 8 years, will probably be about 30% of the original capacity. How long will that 30% last ? Will that even get you to the local supermarket and back [bigwhistle]
Here is some real world data, from the cars themselves:
Tesla Vehicle Batteries Degrade Under 65% of Rated Range After Only Three Years
A battery car is a throw away item. We are still running an old poogoe 407 here as the family car. my wife has done 250,000kms in it over the last 12 years. Its now 17years old. If we had purchased a battery car, that would be $40,000 -> $60,000 in batteries it would have needed ot continue to be a functional, usable car. It still will do over 1000kms from a tank while sipping fuel at about 7L/100. It will probably continue to do so for easily another decade with minimal upkeep.
See what I mean by electric cars just being nuts ? They are transport for the wealthy, and I'm betting 95% of them never purchase a 2nd electric car after being burnt by the first one (even if its just the horndous ... non existant resale of it.... in the scenario they are one of the few that can live iwth its limitations).
Please don't read this as anti-electric car. I reckon that are fascinating things. The problem is they are also just ridiculous, an environmental travesty due to their toxic battery and horrendously tiny life span. The only way you will get high milage out of an electric car ... is expensive battery replacements. or huge milage while the battery is very young ... eg Taxi work.
My engine rebuild was I believe 9K (euro's) all in. Labour is expensive. I have -never- had to replace an engine in one of my Honda's, all have been driven to 300+ K without so much as a hiccup. A second hand engine would be put in if it were to croak. See, the thing is: I can visually inspect a second hand engine and make a fairly good judgement call. Not so on a battery. It's what we talked about many pages ago regarding the very good comment Harry made in his video.
One does wonder though, what WOULD have happened if in the 80's we got EV's and they would not be downplayed by the car/oil industry? I think before lithium came out we would have had a reasonable idea what the use of such vehicle was and we would not be in this circus we are today. One can hope?
Cheers,
-P
News to me:
EV drivers warned of number plate detail attracting $257 fine
EV drivers warned of number plate detail attracting $257 fine (yahoo.com)
As electric vehicle uptake soars across the country, drivers are being reminded of their safety requirements.
A small but critical detail subtly inserted on the number plates of electric vehicles plays a crucial role should they be involved in an accident, and Aussie drivers caught without one could be slapped with a hefty fine.
That's the messaging from authorities around the country who are this week reminding motorists of the skyrocketing death toll on our roads, urging Australians to remain vigilant and adhere to vehicle safety standards in a desperate bid to drive fatalities down.
Under these safety standards, all electric vehicles registered in Australia are required to sport an "EV label" which lets emergency crews know when a car is electric, should it be involved in an accident, allowing them to respond accordingly.
The warning tag is compulsory for all EVs on Aussie roads manufactured after January 1, 2019, including hybrid, plug-in hybrid, full electric and hydrogen-powered vehicles. Western Australia is the only state not to enforce the mandate, with all other jurisdictions handing down fines for those caught without a label.