Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

We are not carbon neutral yet never mind positive yet, people have mistakenly made such claims like...Professor double counts with claim Australia is already at net zero | AAP

When it comes to nuclear, why build any when we have a massive one in the sky, the sun.

Those EV's could have been very low emissions if the genset and Cruiser ran on biodiesel or WVO waste vegetable oil (less desirable)...https://www.google.com/url'sa=t&sour...qerq18ve8WZdt7

Pure insanity.... you need big spinning turbines to stabilise the grid. Unless you are happy to go without power overnight, solar is just ridiculous. So now you want to use our food growing earth to grow biodiesel oil.... Utter crazyness, the driest continent on the planet, and you think we should BURN (those hordenously dangerous fumes from burning stuff .... Oh no! we will all die ... the planet will heat up and end).

Much like electric cars, this is just nonsense as soon as you roll it out to anything other than a tiny, miniscule percentage of the population. I'm not pro-nuclear, but we need something that can generate masses of power 24 hours a days, 7 days a week .... everyday ... for decades on end .... 50+ years easily. Realistically we need a couple of dirty big coal powered powerstations built to get us through the next 50years while we work out a sensible alternate form of power generation.

There is a reason why all the nutty countries going down this route are desperately turning back on there nuclear and coal burning power stations. Would you believe it, people and industry don't like blackouts for days at a time (just look at spain, and germany .... UK would be a quagmire of people freezing to death if they didn't import power from europe .... just nuts.

Biomass wood pellets are renewable as the CO2 emitted during burning for fuel is taken up by trees, which can then be converted into wood pellets, so a "virtuous cycle". Like I said we have to try in order to find these things out.

Oh come on!
The wood chips are imported from the USA and maybe Canada. They are shipped to port by road and rail (DIESEL)
They are shipped from the USA to UK(Diesel)
The trees that are woodchipped regrow in 20 to 50 Years.
About 10% if UK power is produced this way. It is a complete rort and generates much more pollution than coal.
It is allowed only to allow the Government to appear "virtuous" by reducing coal usage.
Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

We are not carbon neutral yet never mind positive yet, people have mistakenly made such claims like...Professor double counts with claim Australia is already at net zero | AAP

When it comes to nuclear, why build any when we have a massive one in the sky, the sun.

Those EV's could have been very low emissions if the genset and Cruiser ran on biodiesel or WVO waste vegetable oil (less desirable)...https://www.google.com/url'sa=t&sour...qerq18ve8WZdt7

Germany is bio energy keen. Forest being cut down and shipped to Germany to be GREEN power is there so called Bio fuel "German Renewable Energy Federation (BEE), bioenergy currently accounts for about 8.5% of Germany's total primary energy consumption. This figure includes the use of biomass, biogas, and biofuels for heat, electricity, and transportation"

Personally, this post belongs in JOKES really

I like Solar. It can help a bit at times. I cannot be 24 7 *365 year in year out.

The twit in your link is funny "Professor Ian Plimer3, a geologist and long-time climate change sceptic4, made the comment in a Spectator column5 which also appeared as a blog post6. He made a similar claim on Sky News Australia7.He claims that, according to United Nations8 (UN) and The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change9 (IPCC) rhetoric, Australia should be "financially rewarded" for removing more carbon dioxide (CO2) than it emits.
His argument, he explains, is based on figures which he claims show Australia's ecosystem removes more CO2 than we as a country emit."

Not the sharpest tool in the box? He is clearly not counting all the coal, Gas and other stuff we send OS by the super tanker daily.

Back to EV. Off the for a 1000km round trip today and tomorrow - Last 200km bit will be coming home on Sunday.

I could do a direct cost comparison for my Disco and the EV. That would be depressing.


I will skip it and enjoy a nice feed with my kids tonight then head West for a regular assistance mission.

So they are subsidising batteries now so that is one solution and it will help. I believe it should have been done at the grid level but given that was too hard this will help.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

We are not carbon neutral yet never mind positive yet, people have mistakenly made such claims like...Professor double counts with claim Australia is already at net zero | AAP

When it comes to nuclear, why build any when we have a massive one in the sky, the sun.

Those EV's could have been very low emissions if the genset and Cruiser ran on biodiesel or WVO waste vegetable oil (less desirable)...https://www.google.com/url'sa=t&sour...qerq18ve8WZdt7

No they couldn't. Many Modern engines suffer when running high levels of bio based fuel, hence why there are limits on blending.

There is no such thing as a free lunch!

And why build nuke? Because it's stable, very stable. And long lived - you won't be replacing it in any great hurry. Heck, they can build one right next door to me if they like. I certainly don't suffer from fear of the nuclear boogie man!

I love my solar, although governments and companies are now pricing it out of viability for bill reduction so little reason to have it now as there no need to charge an EV here (it would be useless for us) - it would never be home during the day to charge up.

On our touring rig of course, solar is fantastic - we power our wobble box on solar and generate more than consumed easily.

Powering a nation though - is not the realm of Solar or Wind?. Just say in front of the Mundi Mundi wind turbines for 6 days. Not more than 1 was ever rotating that entire time. A huge white elephant when it was peak consumption times.

And as is continually raised in this thread - electrification is far beyond the scope of mining to provide - and the nations being harmed to get to some of these elements is borderline criminal. Australia gets up in arms when a hole is to be dug to get some Iron or Copper out. Yet countries are being molested and people displaced as their environment alters, just so we have Lithium. This will get far worse.

All the tech in the world, to make batteries higher density and/or safer does not remove the harm generated to procure the components necessary.

Heck, people are losing their **** over the Lead smelter across the water from me, yet happy to drive their EV which destroyed multiple foreign peoples homes, lands, water?.

EVs are a unique and interesting proposition - who doesn't like a Scalectrix car but they aren't the solution. They're the next challenge to be overcome.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

So they are subsidising batteries now so that is one solution and it will help. I believe it should have been done at the grid level but given that was too hard this will help.

Correction - The have Nots are subsiding the Can haves to get batteries.

The batteries themselves still remain a huge issue on multiple fronts.

First is components.

Second - I do insurance 'tests? each year, testing which company is willing to give me the best deal.

Latest questions - Any EVs? Any House Batteries? When I asked what difference does that make? I had answers that varied from ?We would decline cover? to ?Your premium will be higher?

One company was happy if any EV or batteries weren't attached to the main dwelling.

We are pricing ourselves into poverty all in the name of virtue signalling.

A slightly Bigger picture.
EVs won't solve housing shortage
More houses will require more energy
Number of houses required is significant!
Grid cannot meet high demand now let alone if all above needs were met.

Businesses now shut down during peak pricing as it's cheaper than maintaining production - crippling outputs

Huge solar farm outside broken hill - all the land the arrays sit on - 100% cleared of all natural growth - alters the LU data. Same for 2 arrays built close to me - all the land was cleared 100%


?I got an EV. It's saved me thousands?
No it ****ing hasn't! It's cost you and our next generations, debt that will be almost insurmountable. Tunnel vision at its finest.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Correction - The have Nots are subsiding the Can haves to get batteries.

The batteries themselves still remain a huge issue on multiple fronts.

First is components.

Second - I do insurance 'tests? each year, testing which company is willing to give me the best deal.

Latest questions - Any EVs? Any House Batteries? When I asked what difference does that make? I had answers that varied from ?We would decline cover? to ?Your premium will be higher?

One company was happy if any EV or batteries weren't attached to the main dwelling.

We are pricing ourselves into poverty all in the name of virtue signalling.

A slightly Bigger picture.
EVs won't solve housing shortage
More houses will require more energy
Number of houses required is significant!
Grid cannot meet high demand now let alone if all above needs were met.

Businesses now shut down during peak pricing as it's cheaper than maintaining production - crippling outputs

Huge solar farm outside broken hill - all the land the arrays sit on - 100% cleared of all natural growth - alters the LU data. Same for 2 arrays built close to me - all the land was cleared 100%


?I got an EV. It's saved me thousands?
No it ****ing hasn't! It's cost you and our next generations, debt that will be almost insurmountable. Tunnel vision at its finest.

My EV over the last year has used less than 5kwh a day.

So what's your position on Pools? The guys next door and diagonally behind me have just installed pools. Each one of those pools uses significantly more power to run than my EV. If they heat it, it probably uses an order of magnitude more power. I just counted, and there are 8 pools on my block.

Come to think of it.. my hot water system uses around 8kwh a day.

My fish tank uses 3 kwh a day. I used to have two tanks and combined they used more power than my EV.

I think the EV danger to the grid is in general blown out of proportion. Yes there can be some big localised power requirements around chargers, but at this juncture they are a drop in the bucket to the power demands of a large city. Most commercial buildings power requirements would dwarf fast charger energy requirements.

PS I charge my EV by arrangement with my power company when it suits them. If there is a large load on the grid they can halt charging. Unlike AC's and Pools.

Also my fairly average solar system generates about 8000 kwh a year. The car 1700 kwh.