EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Apart from the visiting RAM and the giant van down the street, all the towable items in this street could easily be towed by a PHEV 4x4. Actually everything other than the giant van is well smaller than what we used to tow with dads Falcon. Actually even my 2.6 astron sigma could tow that lot. All of them are well below the tow capacity of a Model Y. [bigwhistle]

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See, just stupidity. Everyone that see my 4wd will never see it towing most likely. That means I don't need one. What your saying is bluntly... utter stupidity. Do you know how many people hire trailers .... how many people store there big things somewhere else. Guess how many caravans and trailers are stored at my place that I don't own .....

People that think they can tell other people what they can do, and what they need just amaze me. Are there lives really that tiny and pathetic :imwithstupid:

I think those big american utes are brilliant. Big, capable, comfortable ... reliable. perfect for the insanely large and heavy caravans that get built in australia. I see them towing caravans all the time. "But but, I know soemoen somewhere that has one and doesn't tow". You know what?? I couldn't care less, what business of yours is that?

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

See, just stupidity. Everyone that see my 4wd will never see it towing most likely. That means I don't need one. What your saying is bluntly... utter stupidity. Do you know how many people hire trailers .... how many people store there big things somewhere else. Guess how many caravans and trailers are stored at my place that I don't own .....

People that think they can tell other people what they can do, and what they need just amaze me. Are there lives really that tiny and pathetic :imwithstupid:

I think those big american utes are brilliant. Big, capable, comfortable ... reliable. perfect for the insanely large and heavy caravans that get built in australia. I see them towing caravans all the time. "But but, I know soemoen somewhere that has one and doesn't tow". You know what?? I couldn't care less, what business of yours is that?

seeya
Shane L.

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I've lived here for a long time. I know most of them. They don't have anywhere to hide big boats or vans etc. They are just buying a DC or SUV4x4 because it's aspirational, or cool or whatever. Yes some of them do get worked, but I'm confident it's in the minority. At least here in the city.

I ride a pushbike to work and get the chance to have a pretty good look along the way. I'd be guessing that over half of them don't even have a cover on the back. Big empty trays on shiny cars that have never been worked.

Have a look at this list. If you really think all those people couldn't maybe get buy with something else.. I'm calling bull too.

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Australians highest selling cars 2024.

1. Ford Ranger ute – 62,593 (-1.2%)
2. Toyota RAV4 medium SUV – 58,718 (+98.2%)
3. Toyota HiLux ute – 53,499 (-12.5%)
4. Isuzu D-Max ute – 30,194 (-3.2%)
5. Mitsubishi Outlander medium SUV – 27,613 (+13.8%)
6. Ford Everest large SUV – 26,494 (+75.8%)
7. Toyota Corolla small car – 24,027 (+20.2%)
8. Mazda CX-5 medium SUV – 22,835 (-1.1%)
9. MG ZS small SUV – 22,629 (-22.7%)
10. Kia Sportage medium SUV – 22,210 (+41.0%)

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I've lived here for a long time. I know most of them. They don't have anywhere to hide big boats or vans etc. They are just buying a DC or SUV4x4 because it's aspirational, or cool or whatever. Yes some of them do get worked, but I'm confident it's in the minority. At least here in the city.

I ride a pushbike to work and get the chance to have a pretty good look along the way. I'd be guessing that over half of them don't even have a cover on the back. Big empty trays on shiny cars that have never been worked.

Have a look at this list. If you really think all those people couldn't maybe get buy with something else.. I'm calling bull too.

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I still don't see your point. Why does it matter to you what other people drive. It is none of your business. The way your acting makes me want to buy a twin cab ute .... sadly I just can't bring myself to do it though....

I'll say it again, other peoples choices are none of your business. I see nutter fools driving EV's around thinking they are saving the planet. This makes even less sense to me. At least a twin cab ute will be a functional useful vehicle for the next 25 years (rather than being thrown on the scrap heap when the battery dies). Don't these people care about the planet at all in there bloated overweight follies ??? :(

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Originally Posted by Tombie

How about you stop telling people what they want, or what they should have.. in the next few years that DC owner may be planning a larger boat/van/trailer…. A vehicle is a multi year purchase/investment for most people. Why buy something underrated for possible future plans?

Why don’t you dump the Defender and get a Shark?

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So see this is the thing. It's everyones right to buy whatever they want. You want to drive a Ram on the school run. If you can pay for it then you're good to go. Go knock yourself out. You want to have a SUV/4x4 for Mum, Dad, and each of the kids. Again fine.

The problem is that Australias transport emissions are still growing. As emissions decline in other sectors (like electricity) it's going to be seen as a bigger target.

And so this is where the problem is. People are either "it's all bull" .. or are happy for someone else to drive something better leaving them to enjoy their Ram.

Whatever but something is going to have to change. How do we encourage people to make better choices? I see schemes like the NVES and various EV incentives as moves in the right direction. It's hard though. So many vested interests constantly trying to stay where we are.

The silly thing it's not about absolutes. We don't need to ban people in cities from buying SUV/4x4/DC's or tax the hell out of them. We just need some people to maybe say "We only need one DC in the family".

The problem is every "bad" vehicle we put on the road.. we're stuck with it for it's life so the emissions are locked in. We need to somehow get people to make better choices when they need a new car.

You ask me "Why don't I sell the defender and buy a shark?" How many times have I said "The best climate outcome is to walk, cycle or take public transport. If you can't/won't do that then the next best is keeping the car you have. If you can't do that, then when you buy another car maybe consider an EV. "


What is happening with Australia’s emissions? Electricity is improving. Transport is not | Climate crisis | The Guardian

You need to stop quoting the very Left Guardian [emoji41]

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I still don't see your point. Why does it matter to you what other people drive. It is none of your business. The way your acting makes me want to buy a twin cab ute .... sadly I just can't bring myself to do it though....

I'll say it again, other peoples choices are none of your business. I see nutter fools driving EV's around thinking they are saving the planet. This makes even less sense to me. At least a twin cab ute will be a functional useful vehicle for the next 25 years (rather than being thrown on the scrap heap when the battery dies). Don't these people care about the planet at all in there bloated overweight follies ??? :(

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It doesn't matter to me. I'm 50's. I'll be right.

My kids on the other hand.. grand kids. It's going to be a big deal. I don't want to be the guy who just says "But everyone else just ignored the warnings too".

I'm not perfect but at least I've tried.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

You need to stop quoting the very Left Guardian [emoji41]

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This is the point. I thought about finding something from the right wing media sites, but realised they don't report on that stuff.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

So see this is the thing. It's everyones right to buy whatever they want. You want to drive a Ram on the school run. If you can pay for it then you're good to go. Go knock yourself out. You want to have a SUV/4x4 for Mum, Dad, and each of the kids. Again fine.

The problem is that Australias transport emissions are still growing. As emissions decline in other sectors (like electricity) it's going to be seen as a bigger target.

And so this is where the problem is. People are either "it's all bull" .. or are happy for someone else to drive something better leaving them to enjoy their Ram.

Whatever but something is going to have to change. How do we encourage people to make better choices? I see schemes like the NVES and various EV incentives as moves in the right direction. It's hard though. So many vested interests constantly trying to stay where we are.

The silly thing it's not about absolutes. We don't need to ban people in cities from buying SUV/4x4/DC's or tax the hell out of them. We just need some people to maybe say "We only need one DC in the family".

The problem is every "bad" vehicle we put on the road.. we're stuck with it for it's life so the emissions are locked in. We need to somehow get people to make better choices when they need a new car.

You ask me "Why don't I sell the defender and buy a shark?" How many times have I said "The best climate outcome is to walk, cycle or take public transport. If you can't/won't do that then the next best is keeping the car you have. If you can't do that, then when you buy another car maybe consider an EV. "


What is happening with Australia’s emissions? Electricity is improving. Transport is not | Climate crisis | The Guardian

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That's just ridiculous. Cars are the cleanest they have ever been. Its incredible how little pollution modern vehicle create. Now the actual creation of the vehicles creates huge pollution. So buy cars they last a long time (ie: not bloated heavy electectric throw-aways, that cannot be repaired).

The idea we need to do anything about the pollutions cars are causing in Australia is ludicrous to say the least.

My view is that the DC is symptom of a modern malaise, once a practical vehicle it has been captured in a stroke of marketing genius and is now used to feed people's delusions that they can have it all, this mindset has led to other societal ills like, short term rentals, food delivery services, online shopping and the gig economy, to mention a few.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

That's just ridiculous. Cars are the cleanest they have ever been. Its incredible how little pollution modern vehicle create. Now the actual creation of the vehicles creates huge pollution. So buy cars they last a long time (ie: not bloated heavy electectric throw-aways, that cannot be repaired).

The idea we need to do anything about the pollutions cars are causing in Australia is ludicrous to say the least.

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Cars are the cleanest they have ever been. Yes. This is true. Particulate, NOX, Carbon monoxide etc.

HOWEVER CO2 continues in direct relationship to the amount of fuel burned. A car that used 10l/100 50 years ago generated the exact same amount of CO2 that a new one does that uses 10l/100.

Yes, a Prado uses less fuel than a v8 rangie did, but it also uses more than a smaller car like the ones we used to drive. Remember when Mum used to have a small car to run the kids around?

I can't find it now (maybe later) but Australias long term fuel consumption is pretty stable. Yes cars are more efficient but we now drive far far bigger cars than we used to.