Thread: EV general discussion

No more Jeep? Will they be missed?
I hadn't noticed Citroen's retreat.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

No more Jeep? Will they be missed?
I hadn't noticed Citroen's retreat.

At least Jeeps have jeeps to sell. Citroen has modern plastic junk (did you see the latest crap being sold? stupid jacking up looking pretend 4wds). you had the endlessly unreliable mini/bmw/poogoe/citroen 1.6 petrol or a 3 cylinder with wet cam belt. Its like they are trying to make there cars as unreliable and crappy as EVs. A race to the bottom. I wonder who will get there first.

I wouldn't touch a modern car with a 10 foot barge pole. talk about electronics filled junk. I'm looking at 25 year old cars for the boss women. Wouldn't touch anything made in the last decade

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Shane L.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

The car industry agreed to it. They don't have to buy credits or pay fines. They just have to meet their targets. Which they had watered down, and then agreed to. The remarkable thing is that people come to their derfense.

No. The really remarkable thing is that they chose to follow the EU lawmakers rather than go bankrupt. I mean, it was a simple choice, right?

Funny how, now the regs are being wound back, they are all still building EVs, isn't it... Oh wait, they aren't. Ford, GM, Mercedes-Benz, VAG, Porsche, Volvo, Subaru, Honda, Nissan, and even that champion of the EV revolution, JLR, are rapidly winding back their EV plans. Why is that, I wonder.

Two notable manufacturers not mentioned are BMW and Toyota. Not because they still drink the KoolAid, but because they never believed in the things in the first place. And Toyota is hardly a small player. They have stuck with the hybrid model because it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Air quality affects everyone. If we had old school diesels .. especially with what we use them for now we'd have our little kiddies breathing in all the good stuff while their parents idled their Rangers to keep the AC on in the school car park. Health costs would likely be higher.

Oh, right, Ranger drivers are public enemy number one, are they? Meanwhile, the smug Tesla owners can feel superior, because the pollution their cars create happened elsewhere, possibly where the poor kids go to school. Or of course down the cobalt mines in the Congo, because out of sight out of mind, right? NIMBY-ism writ large.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Maybe we can bring back asbestos while we're at it. It was remarkable stuff.

Attempting to conflate the two just demonstrates your ignorance. Sure, asbestos was bad stuff. Badly maintained diesels can emit bad stuff too. Diesel emissions are heavier than air. Have you ever seen a lithium mine? Seen the processes involved in making it into a viable ingredient of batteries? Seen how the stuff is transported? It's about as environmentally friendly as the atomic bomb. But you can't see it while you wait for the kiddies after school, so that's ok then.

If you truly cared about the environment and air quality you'd be Amish, and use a horse.

Originally Posted by Tins

Two notable manufacturers not mentioned are BMW and Toyota. Not because they still drink the KoolAid, but because they never believed in the things in the first place. And Toyota is hardly a small player. They have stuck with the hybrid model because it makes sense.

These two companies,particularly the larger of the two copped a huge amount of flack for not following the sheep at the time into EVs.
Just imagine the huge costs they both saved.

All we hear now from the perpetrators is crickets

In actual fact,they both knew the new vehicle market way better than any one else.

And for one of them,many say don't innovate,were many decades ahead in Hybrids and hydrogen fuel cell tech,which most others have now copied.
Their vehicle sales in Aus are well over double their nearest competitor,and Globally lead the market by quite a margin from the VW group.Ditto for last year.
BMW is also one of the biggest luxury vehicle manufacturers in the world,and sales here in Aus, are at the top of the segment.

Not entirely ever heard of BMW iX, iX1 iX3, i4, and i5 also Toyota bZ4x electric vehicles?

Originally Posted by Tins

Oh, right, Ranger drivers are public enemy number one, are they? Meanwhile, the smug Tesla owners can feel superior, because the pollution their cars create happened elsewhere, possibly where the poor kids go to school. Or of course down the cobalt mines in the Congo, because out of sight out of mind, right? NIMBY-ism writ large.

Three points here. The biggest selling EV's in Australia use batteries that contain no cobalt, or nickel, manganese etc. There is more cobalt used in the refining of fuel, or your phone, or battery drill than there is in my car.

Second point is the nearest school to Swanbank is two KM away upwind and nearly four downwind. They haven't allowed development to get too close to it, thankfully.

Third point, is Swanbank provides electricity for lots of other things. Like pool pumps. Go and rage at someone with a pool or airconditioner who might be affecting the health of the kids near swanbank. I do think you'd be wasting your time. Plus if you have any relatives who have kids at school in a big city.. you should want better air quality. Just because most of us survived asbestos doesn't mean we shouldn't want better.

In breaking news...

Can't say why but I thought of this thread. I usually go to Betoota a couple of times a year, and I can say that the current owners are not the people who write this stuff.

Boomer Torn Between Viciously Ridiculing Nephew Over Electric Vehicle, And Asking For A Quick Spin

Entertaining to hear how loud the tyres are.