It’s not like AU will have a choice.
Once the manufacturers decide to stop tooling up ICE that will be the end of it - or the costs will flip over.
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It’s not like AU will have a choice.
Once the manufacturers decide to stop tooling up ICE that will be the end of it - or the costs will flip over.
The Qld government had two, got rid of them in less than 12 months.I can't remember the reason, but I think they just didn't suit car pooling which is what they do.Differnet people driving them during the day,then a supervisor, or different supervisors, take them home at night and on weekends.Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyDiver
They replaced them with hybrids, which most of the small passenger vehicle fleet is made up of anyway.
Hopefully the EV or Hydrogen tech is way better by 2030.
Fair point - especially once Toyota stop ICE manufacturing by 2040.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
May not need to be banned here but just happen by a natural shift in what you can buy.
The next 20 years will be interesting.
With the average age of cars currently over 10 years I still predict we will be running ICE engines in Australia through to at least 2050 - they just may be very expensive to run.
Will have to choose the last car I plan to buy carefully - something to worry about in 2040 I guess when we stop talking about 2020.
I imagine all the big servos will start converting over at some stage. With a heap of electric points.
Then the pumps will slowly disappear.
The holding tanks at the ports and refineries will reduce to only holding diesel for heavy transport.
Petrol prices will skyrocket.
Lost revenue from Fuel excise will be an interesting one. As there will be a need to cover infrastructure upgrades at a phenomenal rate.
By the time I need to buy a car an EV will probably do as I’ll be retired by then. What the company I work for give me in the next 15 years will all be ICE given the KM I have to do - I need a range of 600KM with gear in the back of the Ute or around 500KM when towing 2000Kg. Can’t see an EV meeting those requirements any time soon and even if they do, how would I charge it given it is parked up to 50 meters from the house every night on the street and I sure as **** aren’t paying to charge it or even use my infrastructure for work purposes. There’s some big issues need solving. On street parking is a huge issue given that lots of people would park at least one of their vehicles on the street each night and a lot of inner city folks don’t even have a driveway or can park near their house.
They have said, only once Ev's become 15% of the vehicles on the road, then they may revisit the situation of charging points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Fuel excise needs some tough decisions,as Ev's are dodging the charge at the moment.
Already murmurings of a Km based rego/tax, I think they keep putting it out there to test the waters with the voters. Biggest issue I see with a system like this is that it will disadvantage country people who have to drive more because of where they live - not sure how that can be solved. Maybe a flat EV rego charge equivalent to 20,000km of fuel excise at say 8LP100KM - which would be around $690.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
While it would make it fairer, it’s another roadblock that would make people balk at buying an EV, but the black hole being left by falling fuel excise revenue will make the Pollies think up a way to make it back, that is for certain.
Already murmurings of a Km based rego/tax, I think they keep putting it out there to test the waters with the voters. Biggest issue I see with a system like this is that it will disadvantage country people who have to drive more because of where they live - not sure how that can be solved. Maybe a flat EV rego charge equivalent to 20,000km of fuel excise at say 8LP100KM - which would be around $690.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
While it would make it fairer, it’s another roadblock that would make people balk at buying an EV, but the black hole being left by falling fuel excise revenue will make the Pollies think up a way to make it back, that is for certain.
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Originally Posted by scarry
EVs are "dodging" fuel excise in the same way that people who don't smoke are "dodging" tobacco excise.
Road maintenance comes out of general revenue, not fuel excise.
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Originally Posted by Homestar
It's not that big an issue and it's not imminent - the $19b in fuel excise isn't going to disappear tomorrow.
Simon Holmes a Court makes some good points in this article:
The big problem with electric vehicles that no politician wants to deal with
And, you'll notice from this that alcohol provides about the same excise value as petrol:
Excise and fuel schemes | Australian Taxation Office
https://www.ato.gov.au/uploadedImage...18_graph18.png
So, the answer's pretty clear - beer drinkers are going to have to shoulder more of the burden.