Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

GM Announces Goal to Eliminate Gas and Diesel Vehicles by 2035

The automaker is focused on electric vehicles and wants to be completely carbon-neutral by 2040.

GM Announces Goal to Eliminate Gas and Diesel Vehicles by 2035

VW, Volvo, the UK and now GM. The ball is rolling

Problem is its rolling towards the edge of a cliff

Originally Posted by Tombie

Problem is its rolling towards the edge of a cliff

The Nikola hydrogen truck would not have rolled fast enough to get over the Cliff. The Hyundai version and others do and will as do the Coradia iLint which while being the first is highly unlikely to be the last hydrogen train No new trials are needed given the long list of tests over the last 20 years +

I understand the trust and affection we have for our Landrovers - notice I did not put the Favorite or best one in

Assuming that it cost us less to run and a lot less to maintain a BEV for FCEV ""when the infrastructure to refuel is available""
With remote locations possibly considerable cheaper to electrify than run thousands of miles of power lines or the current truck after truck of diesel for power. Electrolysis enabling hydrogen storage /batteries and billions plus via AP ventures all chasing cheaper and effective power solutions I think GM and others are on the right track. The methane to hydrogen options are enabling a huge scale option which should be reassuring.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Problem is its rolling towards the edge of a cliff

Yep,they are dreaming,gives many a warm and fuzzy feeling but it’s never gonna happen.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

The Nikola hydrogen truck would not have rolled fast enough to get over the Cliff. The Hyundai version and others do and will as do the Coradia iLint which while being the first is highly unlikely to be the last hydrogen train No new trials are needed given the long list of tests over the last 20 years +

I understand the trust and affection we have for our Landrovers - notice I did not put the Favorite or best one in

Assuming that it cost us less to run and a lot less to maintain a BEV for FCEV ""when the infrastructure to refuel is available""
With remote locations possibly considerable cheaper to electrify than run thousands of miles of power lines or the current truck after truck of diesel for power. Electrolysis enabling hydrogen storage /batteries and billions plus via AP ventures all chasing cheaper and effective power solutions I think GM and others are on the right track. The methane to hydrogen options are enabling a huge scale option which should be reassuring.

I like your optimism but we will long be in a Pine box before they resolve this level of development and infrastructure required.

And those impacted initially will pay dearly for such structure

Maybe I should repeat here a comment I just made to that GM article in the Australian. I recognise that most of the population lives in cities but many of them are struggling financially and will not be able to afford the likely $50K base price when they could before buy a new ICE car equivalent for say $15-20 K. For EVs to be successful consumers outside of Tesla "fan boys(and girls) " will have to want to buy EVs and that has not been evidenced yet.

I wonder what the voters will do if they are confronted with a "Hobson's Choice"

[QUOTE]GM is now purely domestically focussed.
There will still be a huge market for petrol and diesel cars and trucks (ICE) in Africa, Asia, The Middle East and of course Australia and the rest of Oceania.

It may be that we will not be able to buy European ICE cars from Mercedes, BMW, VW , and Land Rover which in Australia have a very small market share anyway.

It is a great opportunity for Hyundai/Kia, and the Chinese as well as Toyota as long as they do not go totally "woke". Maybe hydrogen but again the replenishment will be a problem even with hydrides.

Even if they do increase range to say 700Km, the recharge time in rural and even suburban Australia will be prohibitively long and with spotty availability.

I often hear the comment that ICE quickly took over from horses but the whole German army in WW2 had more horse transport than mechanised and that was 40 years after ICE appeared.

The German Army entered World War II with 514,000 horses, and over the course of the war employed, in total, 2.75 million horses and mules; the average number of horses in the Army reached 1.1 million. Wikipedia.

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Regards PhilipA

We might find that many of the Jap,Korean,Thailand companies keep on soldiering on the way way they are going,at the moment,and give some of the European markets away.
They will continue with hybrid development,and fuel cell,some have had hybrid for over 20 yrs,and fuel cells for over 10.
They were and still are way ahead of many other manufacturers.

Think I’ll buy an Isuzu powered Landy and start brewing my own fuel, it should last me a lifetime and I won’t have to bother with all this other guff.

Even if work ends up with EV’s I’ve got no idea how I’ll charge it as it sits on the road. Don’t think the council would like me having a lead across the footpath every night.

And what about all the people that live where they can’t park their cars in driveways or even in the same place each night? I doubt the Councils will want to pay to put in charging points at every parking spot...

This is quite a good addition to the discussion by a green advocate that GM cannot be trusted and a goal is just that not a promise.

What GM's 2035 EV Announcement Really Means | The Drive

Regards PhilipA