Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by goingbush

I make my own solar power to run my EV , way more than I need for my car,
Who makes their own fuel at home ? Fish and chip oil is finite, the sun is forever.

Texas argument is ridiculous, their oil refineries are shut down and will take weeks to get back on line.

The US southern states Nuclear, Gas and other power sources did not have ability to cope with Canadian style winter weather. "“We never imagined a day where hospitals wouldn’t have water,” Greg , the director of Austin Water, said this week."

Your self sufficiency is commendable mate.

Infrastructure and notably Secured and effective Infrastructure is needed for the masses

The few Jerry cans are a breathing space as is a long range tank or my few big batteries I have at work. The irony in Texas is now the power is being restored several hot water systems which have no water have caused fires which cannot be put out as there is no water. Food is scarce "Without water and after days of power outages, many Texans have lost perishable food and are struggling to get more."


Texas has had some snow before. It seem to be climate change trend to me. I am not a scientist. We do need effective and efficient options before we can move to a non pollution generating cars, trucks, boats, trains....... The billion being invested is occurring as effective options are required fast.

After that rant a little some EV trivia. .

BY.D. hooked up with a Aussie (Nexport Already posted by Bob relating to buses. Rich Lister straps in for $700m electric vehicle hub )

I read this morning. The Motor Show in April will add four more right hand drive options. I agree many options are not perfect for every application or use. BYD Han arrives in Australia - motoring.com.au

This link has Averages Survey of Motor Vehicle Use, Australia, 12 Months ended 30 June 2020 | Australian Bureau of Statistics

We all know averages are a fiction of sorts as 99% do more or less the Average 11,000 ish km for passenger cars is interesting as it may allow most people to consider if range anxiety is a once a year or so event or an every day. For most people I think a cost competitive BEV will be a option sooner rather than latter.

on a different note. im on my way to earning my first tesla. i've started earning bitcoins. and if the current value is maintained, i'll be able to afford one in about 100 years...

edit: miscalculated. afford one in about 30 years. assuming they are 100k.

whatever the case , the argument is moot.

ICE powered vehicles are on the way out & in 15 years you'll have Bucklys chance of buying one.
Argue for oil all you like it wont help.

Originally Posted by goingbush

whatever the case , the argument is moot.

ICE powered vehicles are on the way out & in 15 years you'll have Bucklys chance of buying one.
Argue for oil all you like it wont help.

This was interesting

Here’s what we know about hydrogen-powered fuel cells for heavy-duty trucking:

• They are not in commercial production.
• Onboard hydrogen storage is far less efficient than battery-powered trucks.
• Heavy-duty truck fuel cell adoption is projected to be just 2.5% by 2030.
• Battery-electric truck proponents call fuel cells unflattering names.

.None of that has changed. Yet, something seems different. For starters, car and truck makers and Tier 1 suppliers are investing billions of dollars in fuel cell technology. Blank check companies are raising hundreds of millions of dollars to target startup and growth-stage companies across the electric vehicle spectrum. Publicly traded fuel cell entities are riding double- and triple-digit growth in their share prices.“I think there is significant momentum,” Chris Rovik, executive program manager of Toyota (NYSE: TM) North America’s Advanced Product Planning Office, told FreightWaves in an interview. “I think all the truck [manufacturers] realize they need to have zero-emission solutions. They’re starting to understand the benefits of fuel cells in certain use cases.”

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

This was interesting

Here’s what we know about hydrogen-powered fuel cells for heavy-duty trucking:

• They are not in commercial production.
• Onboard hydrogen storage is far less efficient than battery-powered trucks.
• Heavy-duty truck fuel cell adoption is projected to be just 2.5% by 2030.
• Battery-electric truck proponents call fuel cells unflattering names.

.None of that has changed. Yet, something seems different. For starters, car and truck makers and Tier 1 suppliers are investing billions of dollars in fuel cell technology. Blank check companies are raising hundreds of millions of dollars to target startup and growth-stage companies across the electric vehicle spectrum. Publicly traded fuel cell entities are riding double- and triple-digit growth in their share prices.“I think there is significant momentum,” Chris Rovik, executive program manager of Toyota (NYSE: TM) North America’s Advanced Product Planning Office, told FreightWaves in an interview. “I think all the truck [manufacturers] realize they need to have zero-emission solutions. They’re starting to understand the benefits of fuel cells in certain use cases.”

I have no problem with fuel cell technology. its a race between that and 'solid state' or other future battery tech . bring it on.

Originally Posted by Eevo

thanks for the link but nothing concrete in there.

There is no concrete cause the water is all frozen.

interesting to read, that aust is vulnerable to the same issue. our equipment isnt winterised and we have our electricity peaks in summer too. we dont have a law that leaves gas generators without gas tho.

Originally Posted by goingbush

whatever the case , the argument is moot.

ICE powered vehicles are on the way out & in 15 years you'll have Bucklys chance of buying one.
Argue for oil all you like it wont help.

15 years - no chance. If they started putting in the infrastructure now, it wouldn’t be ready in time and there is very little going on in the way of large scale infrastructure to support us all having EV’s. We’d need around double the power we currently do as well, which won’t happen in 15 years either nor will adoption of solar and batteries into the vast majority of homes that would be required to work.

Globally while car manufacturers say they are switching to EV’s the reality of being able to power them will push these time frames out by decades - countries with a decent uptake of EV’s due to government subsidies, etc are starting to feel the squeeze on power already. And remember a lot of places don’t have the vast quantities of sunshine we enjoy here - in Europe, they won’t be able to have home solar charging EVs in the Winter - there isn’t enough to charge a car with each day.

Australia has just on 1,000,000 homes with solar - and that’s taken decades, although things are speeding up no end, you’d need to do 500,000 homes a year from now to get to where is needed in 15 years - I think the numbers closer to 25/30 years in reality. And who’s paying for it all - will the government just say they’ll stick solar and a 15KWh battery system in every house? I don’t think so, and I’d say around 95% of the population couldn’t afford it.

No one who pushes these unreadably short time frames offers anything in how the infrastructure is going to cope with everyone switching to EV’s - I love the dedication, but the reality just doesn’t match sorry.

I’m not anti EV - you know that, but I just don’t see how we’re going to charge them all is my point in that sort of timeframe - no one does.