Thread: EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Old Farang

Well, here's a few people that will not be buying an EV any time soon!

Mapped: The 1.2 Billion People Without Access to Electricity - Visual Capitalist

The price of fuel in those areas are possibly going to give the easiest option for several newer current and evolving technology. The everything about hydrogen interview with he head of Anglo American pod cast I posted had a interesting take on this topic.

A off the grid housing project and remote town, mine sites support the possibility/probability local electrification via renewables and 'storage' can help the billion plus who have no or very unreliable electricity supply's will cost a lot less than poles and power lines to everywhere which we know will not happen.

The billion of dollar+++ cost plus 100s of millions in maintenance in Texas might a interesting case study in why centralized distribution networks just might be old school The South Oz black outs, brown outs would be another.

This one in Chiang Mai, Thailand is several years old. It could charge Going Bushes truck or any EV and FCEV possibly. Noting the cost of this one may or may not be a solution for the billions you flagged. Charge for free from any spare solar PV is a goal I want to kick.

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Oh I think they will if there is the market - for sure manufacturers will make the EVs for the EU but also make good old ICEs for the rest of the world like South America, Africa, Australia and most of Asia (all of it from the Med east).

As the discussion on here has moved back and forth, EVs are great for metropolitan areas of first world countries but not for a long long time will they be suitable remote and the poorer areas of the world where the EV infrastructure is just not going to happen.

Good Luck .

They Make great ICE Trucks , Utilitarian 4x4 vehicles and no frills 2WD Cars in China, Turkey , Brazil , Africa, India etc for their domestic markets and the 3rd world. But none are anywhere near ADR compliant and be lucky to be EU1 let alone EU4 ,5 or 6 , nor could be economically made thus for this tiny little market of ours.

There are several Chinese cars and utes and yes even buses being sold in Australia right now and they conform.
I wonder what happens if you are towing your 3.5 tonnes with your phev in undulating country and run out of battery and you are left with the piddling little 4. Cylinder only.

I also note that theHyundai Kona has a tiny tow limit so maybe old diesels will still be popular.

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

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I also note that the Hyundai Kona has a tiny tow limit so maybe old diesels will still be popular.

Regards PhilipA

That gives me a perfect excuse to talk about my 2016 Toyota Camry Altise Hybrid as it also has a tiny tow limit.

I had been reluctant to write about it in this thread because I have formed the opinion that it is quite wrong to think about a Hybrid Camry as an EV. Most people would not think of a Formula One car as an EV, and it seems to me that the Camry has more in common with them than what most of us think of as an EV.

The F1 cars have a kinetic energy recovery system that uses energy recovered from braking to give a power boost when needed and that is almost the same as the Camry and other Toyota Hybrids. The battery is not there to allow you to travel any great distance on electric power. It is just there to recover energy that would normally be lost when braking and which can the be used to supplement the power from the ICE, just like an F1.

The combination of the Atkinson Cycle ICE and a couple of electric motors works really well. The Atkinson Cycle gives better fuel economy that an Otto Cycle, but there is a small loss of torque which is more than made up for by the electric motor.

The CV transmission is quite unlike other CV transmissions and seems to work brilliantly without some of the reliability problems of some other systems.

I didn't buy a hybrid to save money. I didn't buy it to save the planet. A lot of my driving isn't even in the sort of conditions where hybrids are at their best. I bought it a year ago because Toyota has been refining the system for about 23 years, taxis have been running Hybrid Camrys for several years and because I couldn't resist owning something that is so clever and works so well.

However, I don't think of it as an EV.

But it’s only 155kw and a Camry

Originally Posted by vnx205

That gives me a perfect excuse to talk about my 2016 Toyota Camry Altise Hybrid as it also has a tiny tow limit.

I had been reluctant to write about it in this thread because I have formed the opinion that it is quite wrong to think about a Hybrid Camry as an EV. Most people would not think of a Formula One car as an EV, and it seems to me that the Camry has more in common with them than what most of us think of as an EV.

The F1 cars have a kinetic energy recovery system that uses energy recovered from braking to give a power boost when needed and that is almost the same as the Camry and other Toyota Hybrids. The battery is not there to allow you to travel any great distance on electric power. It is just there to recover energy that would normally be lost when braking and which can the be used to supplement the power from the ICE, just like an F1.

The combination of the Atkinson Cycle ICE and a couple of electric motors works really well. The Atkinson Cycle gives better fuel economy that an Otto Cycle, but there is a small loss of torque which is more than made up for by the electric motor.

The CV transmission is quite unlike other CV transmissions and seems to work brilliantly without some of the reliability problems of some other systems.

I didn't buy a hybrid to save money. I didn't buy it to save the planet. A lot of my driving isn't even in the sort of conditions where hybrids are at their best. I bought it a year ago because Toyota has been refining the system for about 23 years, taxis have been running Hybrid Camrys for several years and because I couldn't resist owning something that is so clever and works so well.

However, I don't think of it as an EV.

A brother of mine has one as well, they really like it.
Although being in the NT,it doesnt mind a drink at 135km/hr...

A mate has the Hybrid RAV 4,he loves it as well.
The Hybrid Kluga will be out shortly.

I wish the tech was in their vans,we need a new one now, and I would give it a go.

You missed the point a bit with the Camry Hybrid. Nice Car.

but I am talking about PHEVs like the new Range Rover PHEV. Ones you plug in and get maybe 50 kms range if you are lucky on battery power. Different to the Camry concept.

Then you go onto petrol or diesel power. And the performance is quoted using a combination of ICE and Electricity. When you have used the battery power it is gone except for a small amount of regen.

regards PhilipA