Thread: EV general discussion

That's a very interesting story, with a lot of good things happening, thanks for sharing.

Originally Posted by vnx205

Is this getting closer to the price and range that some people say they want?

I think that Irish price converts to about $33,000. I did see an Australian version of that story, but can't find it at the moment.

Renault confirms its electric 5 will be affordable - car and motoring news by CompleteCar.ie

Originally Posted by Homestar

Too late I'm afraid - there are too many greedy and reckless companies out there that are doing 90% of the damage and we as individuals are supposed to be able to sort out the issues by buying an EV - from the greedy and reckless companies - yeah, right...

Chatting about this with my rev head cousin yesterday. My uncles speed car racing days are over yet his 1200 litres per day tractor is still a big beast was in the chat as well.


"One litre of diesel fuel(auto) has an energy content of approximately 38 MJ –which approximates to 10kWh (using a ballpark figure) but the efficiency of conversion into kinetic energy is only about 30% -that is better than petrol which is typically 25% depending on the design.So one litre of diesel will give up about 3.3kWh (30% of the 10 kWh) –the remainder of the energy goes out of the exhaust pipe mainly as hot gas! Electric cars are about 90% efficient. If the electrical energy is made from renewable sources such as hydro or wind, the value to the environment is immense. However, most of our electricity comes from fossil fuels which have a typical efficiency of 27%, so better to burn diesel directly really. So, the electric car is a good under “some” circumstances but not all."


My thoughts were IF the EVs can already smash acceleration records. My cousin suggested that for cars and motor cycles. When it is cheaper to run the beast of a tractor on Hydrogen via a hybrid solid state battery and fuel cell he might happily park the huge tractor and pocket the roughly $1668 daily running costs? We did chat about the servicing cost of the petrol and diesel. My Disco is about due again which is a lot slower than before I added my quirky MG ev which did not travel to Port Fairy this time

Have to add the smart distance control on cruise control on most new cars is not trusted by me. It is very noticed in its absences in the drive over the weekend in my Disco which I will happily move to battery/hydrogen when it is possible. Watching the Olympics with interest. Toyota is a dark hours in this field and rumours about we may see in the next few weeks have been about for over a year.

Excuse me I mentioned this - Last week I used a DC fast charger for free to charge my MG. While waiting the short time I chatted with A Driving Instructor with a Nissan leaf. He had had it for five years and 40,000km. All his power cost was $0- inner city yuppy His PHP was solar power cars. Yep- he is also a Darwin to Adelaide type. His service costs met my expectations- not much at all.

"The average vehicle used 13.4 litres of fuel per 100 km in Australia in 2020." accordng to one source. Assuming a nice easy cost of 10L per 100km the leaf has save him a bit?
Assume 40,000 km at 10L per 100km at a an assumed avg cost of$1.20 per litre gives him about $4800 saved on fuel.
Budget Direct avg costs suggest $29 ish weekly for tire and service costs. That is roughly estimated at $6032 by me for a petrol. Given his experience of no new tires yet and next to no service costs I suspect he is about $10,000 richer than another Driving Instructor I know. That is not a huge amount for the tiny cars. My uncles tractor on the other hand may possibly have significant savings to make considerations of change a worth while time and effort consideration?

"Hyzon Motors’ hydrogen-powered coaches are ready to conquer the harsh mining landscape of Western Australia.The zero-emission vehicle manufacturer today (June 22) made the statement as it confirmed that its transport coaches have completed a 15,000-kilometer durability road test.
A key trial before one of the world’s largest iron-ore producers uses the vehicles in the remote Pilbara region, the test demonstrated the capability, effectiveness and strength of the vehicles which will have to operate in extreme temperature.
Hyzon CEO Craig Knight said that passing the durability phase – the equivalent of driving more than seven times straight from New York to Miami – demonstrated that the vehicles are clean, powerful and uniquely suited for long haul and high utilisation back-to-base transport."
The power is "At Hyzon Motors, we currently deploy hydrogen vehicles with up to 150kW fuel cell modules, while preparing for 370kW systems (equivalent to 500 horsepower) to be manufactured at our Rochester facility in New York. Our next-generation 500hp fuel cell systems are well suited to applications such as inter-city rail, mining vehicles, port equipment and marine vessels, as well as long haul and short haul heavy vehicles."

Not here yet was yesterdays news My quirky one is NOT perfect Cool but in rehab when new is clearly not Best Practice

Hyzon spac news is of interest for 15 July- NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE!

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

"The average vehicle used 13.4 litres of fuel per 100 km in Australia in 2020."

v8 owners

Originally Posted by Eevo

v8 owners

I was wondering if trucks and my uncles tractor got into that average

Seems like the gold standard is EVs charged by solar and used as household battery backups at night. As for servicing, seems confined to fluids, tyres and software updates.

Originally Posted by Eevo

v8 owners

Driven sensibly,which I know is difficult,they will at times use less fuel than an equivalent sized vehicle with a 4 cylinder.

Originally Posted by scarry

Driven sensibly,which I know is difficult,they will at times use less fuel than an equivalent sized vehicle with a 4 cylinder.

The little EVs ridiculous pick up from any speed, makes V8 drivers task of driving sensibly much harder

Originally Posted by scarry

Driven sensibly,which I know is difficult,they will at times use less fuel than an equivalent sized vehicle with a 4 cylinder.

yeah, my v8 ute before i put the cam in it, got 7h/l on the highway @ 110km/h