Thread: EV general discussion

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I suspect when we get closer to the date there will be a softening of the rules - and removal if the current coalition government is voted out and the liberal coalition gets in - not likely in the foreseeable future though.[/QUOTE]

No doubt one of the many backflips that are going to happen with all these EV "promises",and time lines,all over the world.

No legislation is needed to stop people buying new ICE cars in Australia.

we don't make cars anymore , we only import them. Other countries will only be making Electric cars , so we don't get a choice.

The options are , walk , buy an EV , pay through your nose to fuel your old ICE, or convert your old ICE to EV (latter is best option of all IMO) .
it does not take any more power to run an EV than a couple of bar heaters or an air conditioner , And solar more than covers typical use. I don't see any problem.

Originally Posted by akelly

Do you have similar concerns about tall buildings and large trees?

No, because trees and tall buildings don't have large rotating blades.

Originally Posted by Homestar

That’s great and they’ll be plenty of case like this, but there’ll also be plenty of cases opposite to this I think.

And you kind of proved my point about the haves and have nots with your post as well - not having a go at that, I’m not in the latter category myself and I’ve been trying to do similar at our house - to the point we have cut our heating bill by around 80% this Winter - we only use the heater for one quick warm up of the house on a cold night and that’s it - most nights we don’t even have it on at all, but all of this talk about EV’s and how to power them, batteries, solar etc is the domain of the well off, no Joe Blogs living from one pay to the next. They will be the ones that hurt the most from this rapid rush to change and the overall monumental cost that goes with it.

Some time ago one of the arguments against solar rebates was that it was middle-class welfare. And then a study showed that the uptake of solar panels was highest amongst working class people, not the middle classes.

The truth is that the biggest change we ever saw was the first one we made, and that was putting R3.5 batts in our roof-space, and that cost bugger-all.

Edit: and I've not put in batteries yet because they're still too expensive. From a pure back-up perspective it's still way cheaper to install an island switch and run the fridge and some lights off my existing Honda generator, and I might in total use 50 litres of petrol over a couple of days. But a couple of years ago, on one very hot night that the power went off during a heatwave, we all slept comfortably on the concrete floor in the living room with just a battery powered fan circulating the air. If the basic design is right then you don't need a lot of expensive systems.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

I think the ban is on "New ICE" vehicles in California and we have to start somewhere, CA. has always been a leader see CAFE fuel efficiency standard which I like to think of as CA(lifornia)Fuel Efficiency standard which a lot of US states and even countries later followed, these things take longer than people think, to wit Aus. doesn't even have a fuel efficiency standard yet.

In WWII even Winston Churchill thought Britain might be invaded hence his "we shall fight them on the beaches" speech, but 5 years later they had won, and we have 25 years.

I know it’s new car sales only - but that’s just shy of 2 million vehicles a year in California alone - still a problem that is too large to overcome in 12 years. I think the tech will be headed in a different direction by then though, but it’s short sighted nonsense IMO - based on power supply issues alone.

Originally Posted by goingbush

No legislation is needed to stop people buying new ICE cars in Australia.

we don't make cars anymore , we only import them. Other countries will only be making Electric cars , so we don't get a choice.

The options are , walk , buy an EV , pay through your nose to fuel your old ICE, or convert your old ICE to EV (latter is best option of all IMO) .
it does not take any more power to run an EV than a couple of bar heaters or an air conditioner , And solar more than covers typical use. I don't see any problem.

Cost - huge problem for most of the population. With interest rates going through the roof I can guarantee family’s won’t be wanting to spend extra on an EV, then batteries and solar at home to charge it - over the lifetime of the vehicle and batteries sticking dinosaur squeezing into a tank each week will still be appealing.

I was at a tall building today with a multi-level basement car park. They found a Tesla plugged into an extension cord to a nearby GPO. The building manager wasn't particularly impressed about the theft of power. They also have a blanket no-charging policy, so not only were they stealing power but deliberately contravening the policy they are made aware of when given access to the car park.

I offered a set of side cutters to cut the plugs off, but was told it was a first offense and they'd just issue a warning. Next time however ...

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

I think the ban is on "New ICE" vehicles in California and we have to start somewhere, CA. has always been a leader see CAFE fuel efficiency standard which I like to think of as CA(lifornia)Fuel Efficiency standard which a lot of US states and even countries later followed, these things take longer than people think, to wit Aus. doesn't even have a fuel efficiency standard yet.

In WWII even Winston Churchill thought Britain might be invaded hence his "we shall fight them on the beaches" speech, but 5 years later they had won, and we have 25 years.

Excellent. So if we send enough people on a task likely to result in their certain death, we can have EVs for the remaining survivors?

That’s great news because that many humans removed from the planet will reduce carbon footprint more effectively than other solutions…

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