Thread: EV general discussion

My armature view is I would be happy to chat about fishing with Willis

I think the word is "amateur" and I agree that is your view.
The data is from NOAA and NASA.
Are they amateurs also?
Only the interpretation is Willis's .

I am surprised that you do not know that Australia contributes zilch to CO2 increases .
Regards PhilipA BTW did you even read the article. I spent some time resourcing the data for another poster who clearly does not know the facts either.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I suspect this is the start as NSW is not the only Government which at least partly funded Tesla charging places.

Tesla supercharger sites in some parts of Australia to allow non-Tesla EVs to charge there too.

Non-Tesla EVs to get access to government funded Tesla Supercharger sites

Asking for a break down of every grant or government funding in Victoria. Strongly suspect a little taxpayer funding for several sites which non tesla cannot use at present as well.


It feels a little like being in the Officers Ward Room on HMAS Adelaide - Very cheeky for a former Lower deck type like me

Lower Deck you say? I can just picture you crouched under the overhead olde Oak Beams of the lower deck seated amongst the olde tattered canvas Hammocks smoking your olde clay pipe & tearing oakum apart in readiness for the next days duty of caulking the main deck.

Your headgear consists of a cloth or canvas Bandana wrapped around your scone, pirate style, & the conversation goes like ....."Aarrrr me 'earties, pass your old matey the Rum Cask, Spider me lad" spoken from the corner of the mouth as you spit tobacco juice at Spider lad. The dull overhead swinging oil lamp throws little light upon the forlorn scene but bounces mysterious shadows off the scarred features of those seated there.
Now, where is my copy of Treasure Island?

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I think the word is "amateur" and I agree that is your view.
The data is from NOAA and NASA.
Are they amateurs also?
Only the interpretation is Willis's .

I am surprised that you do not know that Australia contributes zilch to CO2 increases .
Regards PhilipA BTW did you even read the article. I spent some time resourcing the data for another poster who clearly does not know the facts either.

Mr Willis got a BIG write up on Popular Technologies It would be defamatory at best if not true.

"He is not a "computer modeler", he is not an "engineer" and he is certainly not a "scientist" (despite all ridiculous claims to the contrary).

"A final question, one asked on Judith Curry's blog a year ago by a real scientist, Willis Eschenbach..."

"

Data from NOAA and NASA on our C02?

He has "IBUKI satellite CO2 data" datasets which to me look misinterpreted at best to deliberately biased selection of data?

Whole-Atmosphere Mean GHG concentration| Greenhouse gases Observing SATellite (nies.go.jp)

Its not pretty!



Whole-atmosphere monthly mean CO2 concentration based on GOSAT observations
－ Recent data －


Monthly mean CO2
May 2018

406.9 ppm

CO2 trend (1)
May 2018

405.9 ppm

CO2 growth in the past one year (2)
May 2018 - May 2017

2.2 ppm/yr

Notes:
(1) CO2 trend is a value on the CO2 trend line derived by removing averaged seasonal fluctuations from the monthly CO2 time series. Please note that with a new addition of monthly mean CO2 data, seasonal fluctuations may vary. Accordingly, past CO2 trend values can also change slightly.

(2) CO2 growth refers to an increase of CO2 level on the trend line in the last one year.


Whole-atmosphere monthly mean CO2 concentration based on GOSAT observations
－ Recent data －


Monthly mean CO2
May 2018

406.9 ppm

CO2 trend (1)
May 2018

405.9 ppm

CO2 growth in the past one year (2)
May 2018 - May 2017

2.2 ppm/yr

Notes:
(1) CO2 trend is a value on the CO2 trend line derived by removing averaged seasonal fluctuations from the monthly CO2 time series. Please note that with a new addition of monthly mean CO2 data, seasonal fluctuations may vary. Accordingly, past CO2 trend values can also change slightly.

(2) CO2 growth refers to an increase of CO2 level on the trend line in the last one year.

I was thinking last night that once a poster starts personal attacks that they have lost the argument and are desperate.
The stuff you have posted is not specific by country or the shows levels as detailed by satellites.
The article I posted was not intended to discuss the rights or wrong of Willis but was an example of country specific data.
In any case what do you think the establishment thinks of WUWT which includes many climate scientists including Judith Curry who has been hounded out of her position because she is only a Luke warmest rather than a religious convert.
IMHO you have attacked the wrong part of the post. Please reference some data by country that disagrees not make attacks on the irrelevant part of the article.
regards PhilipA.

Originally Posted by 350RRC

You're not paying excise on the alternative of fossil fuel to travel the same distance on public roads though.

Surely you're still ahead (?), especially if charging from your own solar.

DL

100% corect . no complaints at all.

Originally Posted by 350RRC

You're not paying excise on the alternative of fossil fuel to travel the same distance on public roads though.

Surely you're still ahead (?), especially if charging from your own solar.

DL

I just think it’s ridiculous to on one hand encourage people to buy EV’s then smack them for it because they have. Yes, the fuel excise isn’t there but it’s crappy way to go about this - particularly this early on when there aren’t that many on the road in comparison and it’s just another hurdle to overcome with people psyches to get into the market.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I was thinking last night that once a poster starts personal attacks that they have lost the argument and are desperate.
The stuff you have posted is not specific by country or the shows levels as detailed by satellites.
The article I posted was not intended to discuss the rights or wrong of Willis but was an example of country specific data.
In any case what do you think the establishment thinks of WUWT which includes many climate scientists including Judith Curry who has been hounded out of her position because she is only a Luke warmest rather than a religious convert.
IMHO you have attacked the wrong part of the post. Please reference some data by country that disagrees not make attacks on the irrelevant part of the article.
regards PhilipA.

Sorry if I missed your point Phillip. Not want to fight. C02 emissions are an issue that needs science and rational discussions. I did run Benfords law (Random number Distribution Theory) over a data set which showed to many red flags to count. Not posting as its not really any thing more than opinion and he is welcome to his.

Back on EV Super Chargers- A Tesla owner thinks I am a tosser for wanting to pay to use Tesla Super chargers. The taxpayer funding issue and not for public use is a issue I think.

I was just doing some number of swapping my silly MG for a Volvo which claims 450ish range. XC40 ev.

The MG Pull up and charge for an hour every two hours is not possible until next year at best in Victoria and in most places a long way from here! The EV is honestly going to my kids as soon as I can get a Disco replacement. Suspect holding off untill Solid state is here will be smarter especially IF Tesla lets me pay I have no problem going for a one hour run around a few nice country towns! The 350kWh charges make it more 15-20 minutes sprints to 80% (Not in my MG!!!)

Hmm I tend to agree with the idea that EVs are underpaying.

I did a back of envelope exercise that calculated that an average Km EV would have to pay about 5cents per Km , not 2.6 to pay an average level equivalent to an ICE car fuel excise duty.
So not only are EVs getting a free ride with electricity, they are under contributing to excise replacement.
So be it I guess. Government overreach and ignorance.

Considering that transport of all types cars, buses, trucks, trains, mining vehicles, ships, contribute only 8% of Australia's total CO2 emissions, one has to speculate that all these subsidies are going in the wrong direction and essentially contributing nothing to CO2 reduction. Much more effort should be expended on producing a reliable renewable grid at a reasonable cost equivalent to coal power which does not seem at present to be in the near future.
Instead we have money being taken from the poor and given to the rich.

Allied with this I just saw a US study which says that 20% of EV drivers trade their EV in for an ICE vehicle. I also saw an amusing video on You tube where a person interviewed people recharging their Teslas in the USA and he asked what their salary was. Not one was under USD100K.

Funnily enough I am not anti EV and if I had unlimited funds I would buy an EV for runaround duties if it had an equivalent range as an ICE vehicle (about 450-500KM for my Honda Jazz), it cost the same as an ICE vehicle, and it could be fully recharged in an equivalent time or even reasonable time, lets say 15-30 minutes. I wait with bated breath.
Regards PhilipA