Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I don't really want to make this an epic but you are comparing apples and oranges.
The cost of a comparable small caris nothing like that of an EV.
Let's take my own example.
2019 Honda Jazz with 12KK cost $ 13,000 in Sept 2019.
expected resale in 10 years maybe $5000.
fuel about $100 per month or $1200 per year= 12000
services twice yearly at $210 or $420 per year=4200.( and like many of us poor people I now do my own servicing so this is only $200 per year using synthetic oil)
Total cost for 10years $24000
Range 500Km on highway time to fill 5minutes.

MG EV cost $49000 services say 1000 in 10 years. Resalle value zero.
Total cost $50000 plus electricity say $30 per month.
I have ignored tyres ,though EVs are generally harder on tyres than a comparable car as they are heavier.
I have also ignore Km charge which will have to come in everywhere if passed by the high court. if not there will be some other tax.

My main objection is that EVs are a subsidy program for the rich. The poor as detailed above can only dream of an EV, while paying fuel excise, registration, etc. in place of EVs.
Regards PhilipA
PS a friend's son bought an Ionic 6 and sold it in two weeks due to his frustration at being in queus for recharging. "Recharge Rage" may become a new category of rage.

Ah, but having a barney with 'er indoors before leaving home should negate the Charging Station Rage issue (either that or it could make it worse & guns come out of the glove box at the station) for a showdown. "Oi, I was here first **** off you)"..


Not helping am I?

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

And probably smart to just keep dreaming - guaranteed way for a poor person to stay poor is to buy a new car. Buying any new car for personal use is probably the worse financial decision anyone can make.

Now buying a classic car and converting to EV - that sounds more interesting. The RRC (or even a D2) would be my personal choice for an EV conversion when DIY kit prices become more affordable.

If I had the means I’d convert my RRC to an EV - it would be a brilliant weekend runaround.

If I had the means I’d convert my RRC to an EV - it would be a brilliant weekend runaround.

There is a bloke in UK who will do it.
Cost is only $50K to 60K.
Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

There is a bloke in UK who will do it.
Cost is only $50K to 60K.
Regards PhilipA

I could do it - I just don’t have the dollerydoos…

Several companies are also doing RRC conversions in Australia as well. The conversion itself is not that complicated, the stumbling block is the cost of the conversion kits and batteries.

Old Land Rovers and Range Rovers make a great platform for a conversion.

I find it pretty funny reading this. EV's are divisive.

IMHO when looked at objectively.. it's horses for courses. They aren't going to work for everyone (at least at this stage) - but they will work for many. If it won't work for you ... who cares! Enjoy whatever you drive.

As to cost.. I have a Model Y on order. They are like 72k driveaway. This is by far the most expensive car I've ever bought. But it's similar in size to the VW Toureg (at least inside anyway) and the entry level toureg is 95k DA. The base model Tiguan is just under 50 DA. But we need a bigger car as my kids are huge. That doesn't seem crazy out of the park to me. Yes there probably should be cheap small EV's but would anyone actually buy them? The base model Golf is now like 42k. Cars are expensive.

But will it do the job for us? Our Golf which it will replace just does city trips. The furtherest it ever goes is Caloundra once a year. In the 7 years we've owned it there was one trip where it might have done 400k in a day, but that's 1 in 7 years. Anything longer and we'll probably take the defender anyway. I doubt we'll ever have to charge out of the home. But if we do - I reckon we'll be ok. This car will never go to Fraser or the Simpson.

As to whether it will be worthless in ten years? Look I hate to be the one to break this to you all.. but most ICE vehicles are worthless in ten years. And most of them aren't going as good as when they were new either. If you don't want to loose money on a car - don't buy one. Cars are expensive. Transport is expensive.

Will it be working in ten years? I think the commentary on battery replacements are basically hysteria. Yes Nissan Leafs required battery replacements early and suffered massive degradation. But this is not the case with modern EV's. Even Teslas with NCA are reporting less than 10% degradation after 8 years and over 100k. I mean maybe the battery destruction fairy will visit all of them at 10 years and the batteries will become useless but that's not how it's looking at this point.

People need to realise - EV's are just cars but with a different drivetrain. My family is stoked. We will all be able to fit in the damn car, we'll never have to visit a petrol station again and won't have to pay for servicing just to support a dealer network.

Work just sold 2 of its oldest vehicle - 10YO Hiluxs for $22K each - hardly worthless.

The 2 x SR5’s we just traded are 7YO and we got $35K each for those.

And don’t start on the oldest vehicle here - a 25 YO Land Cruiser - the businesses first car and will never be sold but we’ve been offered stupid money for that one as it has under 200KKM on it - but I wouldn’t want it nor drive it but there’s obviously plent stoopid people out there that would.

And likewise Homestar - 10YO electric cars certainly won’t be worthless either. And definitely not in the current market.