Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Saitch

Now Captain, I have generally seen educated and somewhat wise input from you, on this topic.
However, this is a wee bit of a soggy example, as the cause appears to be wholly and solely 'Human Error'.

Ok .. and I take that on board.

But - I think the message I was trying for is EV's have transcended the realm of logical discussion. It has become a case of "outgroup psycology".

In this case refuelling at home can be classified as human error. Which is probably is. But that's a classic "ingroup" way of seeing it.

What if say a EV caught fire? What if the user said "The charger raised an error - but I unplugged it and plugged it in again to start charging and it burst into flames, burning down four houses". Would we all say "That's just user error, and nothing to worry about."? I really doubt it! I suspect the mainstream press would say "See.. those EV's are crazy dangerous and home charging should be banned!".

Personally I think most of the people in this thread would very much also lean to the latter.

As a bike rider I see in/outgroup thinking all the time. I'm sure we all see it but we just don't recognise it. "You cyclists don't pay rego and you break rules all the time". Hey.. "but what about people not stopping at stop signs.. registered motorist do that all the time too". In group/out group psycology would have the motorist defending the stop sign runner "Those stop signs are stupid.. it should be a give way". When it's not your group all of a sudden there is some wiggle room - it's easy to understand the problems and defend those of your group.

I'm sure we can all find examples of this. Aaah.. it was just a timingbelt that broke. These things happen....

Ingroups and Outgroups: How Social Identity Influences People – Effectiviology

We really need reasoned discussions about all this stuff. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to get that happening. That was quite a rant.

From my position, of not wanting or being able to afford a new car, I see most people polarized on EV. They're either the saviour of the planet, or spawn of the devil.
All vehicles, be they petrol, diesel, electric or hybrid, have a place to suit differing circumstances.
Depending on peoples' stance, the pros and cons are exaggerated and cherry picked.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I drove 300k to Linville and back for a bike ride the other day. Got back home with 25%

Took the kids up to go karting yesterday. 160k five adults in the rain. (Three people over 185cm tall, one of which was 201cm tall - try that in the defender). Back home with 60%. Was going to put it on charge last night but couldn't be bothered.

I take on board that there are some things I can't do with this car, or that might be un-necessarily difficult. But by golly, for a city dweller the use case for this car is surprisingly big all while being charged exclusively at home for cheap.

Further I reckon if I didn't really like going to the desert and to Fraser Is occasionally, I reckon I could manage with just an EV. I'd put a towbar on for bikes and the occasional dump run. And I would be saving a motza.

I'm keen to hear how you're going when its 8years old. There shouldn't really ever be an issue with a new lithium battery. It should be usable as functional transport for quite a few years.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

From my position, of not wanting or being able to afford a new car, I see most people polarized on EV. They're either the saviour of the planet, or spawn of the devil.
All vehicles, be they petrol, diesel, electric or hybrid, have a place to suit differing circumstances.
Depending on peoples' stance, the pros and cons are exaggerated and cherry picked.

Usage case is the only real way to look at an EV... If it suits usage, then go for it. (Costs, performance etc)

Originally Posted by Tombie

Usage case is the only real way to look at an EV...

Which would be fine if Governments, influenced by narrow interest lobby groups, would keep their sticky noses out of the decision making process. Governments of any stripe are not known for backing winners. Let the market decide, without interference.

Originally Posted by Tins

Which would be fine if Governments, influenced by narrow interest lobby groups, would keep their sticky noses out of the decision making process. Governments of any stripe are not known for backing winners. Let the market decide, without interference.

Wool? Mining? Services? GST???( Swearing), Schools and education? Hospitals and Health Care ( Not with out issues and limitations of Course)

Stuff ups abound and over spends are almost assured

Do it your way fits some of us.

PS I will not have my mg 4 to 8 years old. I really want to go fishing a LOT more. Edit

Hmmm- sorry A new friend will probably demand it from me so I may have it for 10 years

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Wool? Mining? Services? GST???( Swearing), Schools and education? Hospitals and Health Care ( Not with out issues and limitations of Course)

Stuff ups abound and over spends are almost assured

Do it your way fits some of us.

PS I will not have my mg 4 to 8 years old. I really want to go fishing a LOT more. Edit

Hmmm- sorry A new friend will probably demand it from me so I may have it for 10 years

I'm just really keen to know how the batteries last in real world use as the car ages. We will know in about 5 years time

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I'm just really keen to know how the batteries last in real world use as the car ages. We will know in about 5 years time

The Seven year warranty makes that a mute question I think Latest testing data suggesting 1.3% degradation on the current tech of batteries makes the good possibility of moving some to home storage far more cheaply than buying the currently very over priced home battery tech I think. NOT KNOCKING those with home storage!!! I have had two flow batteries at work for about 10 years now which costed a lot and paid very well for themselves.

A smart sparky and the ever improving very good tech for charging hybrid solar/grid on and off grid will likely be on my to do list over the next year or three for my retirement pad closer to fishing and diving and FLAT ground. All my running and riding here is UP And feels like less DOWN

Cannot see the US battery degradation study I heard about in a pod cast while running sorry. It was proposing the shift from car to home storage. I am a horrible stealer of good ideas I admit.

My Victron multi plus are amazing. They are 'Not' legal now so can only be used CHEAPLY behind grid on a legal on off grid hybrid system. Recycling works for me

Victron has new legal ones I think. My prior Goodwe has some amazing new tech as well. I have a old new one in the garage as well