Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Its called a proper manual gearbox. Your not riding the brakes like an old granny all of the time. It isn't at all unusual in my experiance. Brakes seem to last a long time if the rotors heat cycle and season properly. They worked this out at bathurst years ago when racing the poogoe 405 and citroen BX. The rotors are "green" and too new, they were destroying them in record time. When they realised they just needed "seasoned" rotors they got great service from them (you would have found carparks all over the place with poogoes and citroen missing htere from brakes as they scavenged all the "seasoned" brake rotors from peoples cars).

What's a manual gearbox again?

In 2023 3.5% of cars sold in Australia had a manual gearbox. I would think the bulk of them were 70 series!

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

You're a total outlier.

Hands up anyone else in here who has 300k on their original rotors!

In Brisbane - on modern cars 50k out of a set of rotors is considered on the good side of average. Particularly on euros.

Not me mine is just over 300 000 km's and the slots have mostly worn away on the brake rotors that were replaced a few years ago.

As I've said before we are in the infancy of electric cars, the next generation may not even have brake pads and rotors or even CV joints with in wheel motors like this one..First mass electric car with all-wheel hub motors has no brakes or CV joints - NotebookCheck.net News.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

In 2023 3.5% of cars sold in Australia had a manual gearbox. I would think the bulk of them were 70 series!

I would think the majority would be proper, fun to drive, sports cars i.e. BRZ/GR86, MX5, M3 and most 'Hot Hatches'.
There are some people who avoid being mundane, thankfully.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Not me mine is just over 300 000 km's and the slots have mostly worn away on the brake rotors that were replaced a few years ago.

As I've said before we are in the infancy of electric cars, the next generation may not even have brake pads and rotors or even CV joints with in wheel motors like this one..First mass electric car with all-wheel hub motors has no brakes or CV joints - NotebookCheck.net News.

They were probably well past there due date. Its nothing to do with the slots in the rotors, its the thickness (ie: ability to distribute heat no doubt) that matters. All cars have a minimum thickness that is required for the brake rotors. This doesn't stop places trying to change brake parts that don't need replacing though. Who is going to say no, if a mechanic tells you your car needs new brakes

This will be interesting. I wonder how terrible they will drive if they have a motor as unsprung weight (maybe wheel motors will mean a small driveshaft to the motor, so the weight isn't sprung).

Some EV's are so light on brake wear, in areas they salt the roads, they are finding the brake seize up and become inoperable and need replacement..... because they no longer work.....

The more I look at modern cars ... the more I'm thinking our next daily driver will be a chrysler 300 with a nice big 6.4 litre V8, 16 spark plugs, giant brakes that will wear out quickly (2 tons .... lots of power and only available with a slugomatic gearbox).... simple to work on, simple to own, lovely sound track out the back. The polar opposite to an electric throw-away

I'm hoping big, comfy, grunty .... highway cruiser that float along like a barge.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

They were probably well past there due date. Its nothing to do with the slots in the rotors, its the thickness (ie: ability to distribute heat no doubt) that matters. All cars have a minimum thickness that is required for the brake rotors. This doesn't stop places trying to change brake parts that don't need replacing though. Who is going to say no, if a mechanic tells you your car needs new brakes

This will be interesting. I wonder how terrible they will drive if they have a motor as unsprung weight (maybe wheel motors will mean a small driveshaft to the motor, so the weight isn't sprung).

Some EV's are so light on brake wear, in areas they salt the roads, they are finding the brake seize up and become inoperable and need replacement..... because they no longer work.....

The more I look at modern cars ... the more I'm thinking our next daily driver will be a chrysler 300 with a nice big 6.4 litre V8, 16 spark plugs, giant brakes that will wear out quickly (2 tons .... lots of power and only available with a slugomatic gearbox).... simple to work on, simple to own, lovely sound track out the back. The polar opposite to an electric throw-away

I'm hoping big, comfy, grunty .... highway cruiser that float along like a barge.

Credit to Denis Leary

You know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
Hot pink with whale skin hubcaps
And all leather cow interior
And big brown baby seal eyes for head lights (Yeah)
And I'm gonna drive in that baby at 115 miles per hour
Gettin' one mile per gallon

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I don't hate electric cars ... I think they are awesome in a lot of ways.

It is interesting technology and with the advancements we will see over the next 5-10 years I expect a lot of the fear, uncertainty and doubt people will have will be addressed.

Addressing the level of misinformation - that will take a generational change to happen.

The early adopters are doing a lot to help lead the way, and it is good to hear the experience from them.

Unfortunately it is hard to find a modern vehicle, be it Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid, or Electric that doesn’t have a compromise or weakness in one way or another. At present PHEVs can address many of the compromises, but no manufacturer has yet found the best balance.

What is impressive though is the amount of choice we now have.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

It is interesting technology and with the advancements we will see over the next 5-10 years I expect a lot of the fear, uncertainty and doubt people will have will be addressed.

Addressing the level of misinformation - that will take a generational change to happen.

The early adopters are doing a lot to help lead the way, and it is good to hear the experience from them.

Unfortunately it is hard to find a modern vehicle, be it Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid, or Electric that doesn’t have a compromise or weakness in one way or another. At present PHEVs can address many of the compromises, but no manufacturer has yet found the best balance.

What is impressive though is the amount of choice we now have.

Electric isn't the future. I think we are close to peak "ev" now. The natural resources don't current exist in the world to meet the targets the crazies are screaming at us currently. The only mis-information I see is the propaganda being screamed at us by goverments with regards to net zero (so includes evs).

Early adopters will either never buy another ev ... or they are old retired people that they work well for (live at home in the house they own, with lots of solar, are home during the day etc.... so it all works for them. Also they are wealthy enough they can just throw away the $$$ and replace the car every few years, and wear the depreciation). The fact the battery has a finite life is irrelevant to them.

For the moment, diesel is the future.... Just like it has been for the last 50years. Trucks, trains, boats (heavy oil) .... busses... pretty much ever light work vehicle, every tractor, every piece of commercial type equipement, all farm equipment, most mining equipement .... Everything relies heavily on diesel.

electricity replacing even a tiny insignificant portion of this is a pipe dream. Have a look at Edison trucks on youtube. They are doing some interesting stuff. But its all niche markets (liek EV's and wealthy retires).

Its not a compromise, quality diesel or petrol vehicle are incredibly functional machines. They allow for the world we live in. Its only when the crazies start talking stupidity that things get complicated.

I think Hybrids are the future and best for both our immediate and long term needs. I have said it before that ICE will be around well beyond our life times so no fear of them disappearing any time soon, EVs will plateau around 20% of market share, but it is the hybrids which will see the biggest growth in market share over the next 10-20 years. This is where the focus should be to find the right balance.

BYD are getting close to cracking the right combination for a PHEV with an on-board generator, and Ford and Toyota each have good winners for V6 hybrid turbo-petrols but just need a descent sized battery in them that can be charged at home and run a campsite off grid for a week or your home for day or so.

Supply and demand will sort out resources needed. Always have and always will when it comes to mining and technology needed to support capitalism. Mining, agriculture and transport will continue to be predominately diesel and under no pressure or need to change. And fossil fuels will continue to be subsidised.

The real breaking point isn’t about the climate - it will be scarcity of resources to support 10+ Billion people - many of which want to live like the top 10% of us. The majority will not give a toss about climate change when they can’t afford to buy food. If everyone lived like the average North American (or Australian) the world probably could only support a quarter of the population we have today and this is the lifestyle that most aspire to achieve.

Haters will hate, crazies and nutters will believe stupid stuff, influencers will spread misinformation, activists will fight for a lost cause, and politicians will fail to lead us.

Meanwhile, we should all enjoy our Land Rovers and stop getting worked up about things we cannot control or influence.

And if people truly want to debate current affairs topics - it really belongs elsewhere.

Let’s discuss the good stuff here and not continue this bull**** ideological debate filled with so much misinformation that it goes no where - other than continue in circles where the same point is made over and over and over again using more and more derogative language which only serves to get a reaction.