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    Yes. Straight up cost base killed us.
    Then economy of scale went further and obliterated us.

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    As I have commented in various threads - Australia has never been a suitable place for manufacturing. We have far stricter social and environmental constraints and higher fuel and electricity costs than the major manufacturing economies. Add to this a small and scattered domestic market and distance from overseas markets as well as a high currency exchange rate that is propped up by the primary product exports that enable the country to afford the high wages, good working conditions and environmental constraints.

    Manufacturing in Australia can only be competitive for specialist niche products, and where some form of subsidy or protection is provided. While this protection can be justified for strategic products (from face masks to vaccines to ordnance), it is difficult to make any sort of case for subsidies for manufacturing commodity goods such as solar panels.

    In the early days of European settlement in Australia, there was significant local manufacturing because of very long lead times both to order overseas goods and to ship them. As shipping and communications improved, especially with steamships, railways and telegraphs, local manufacturing declined. This was accelerated by the discovery of gold and the following mining boom (still very much with us), which among other things enabled shorter working hours and, by the third quarter of the nineteenth century, the highest living standard in the world.

    Manufacturing had a bit of a boom during WW1 due to the shipping shortage, but was largely, although not entirely dismantled, with, for example, the ban on import of complete cars (started during the war to save on shipping space) maintained due to union pressure to maintain jobs in the car industry.

    With the Great Depression resulting in job losses, and into the thirties the threat of war, more manufacturing started up, with government subsidies and protection ramping up. During WW2 there were massive advances in manufacturing by necessity, with war on our doorstep and imports even more constrained than during the previous war.
    After the war, Australia ramped up manufacturing, with ever increasing subsidies and protection. As communications improved, transport costs decreased, and Australians became more aware of how the other developed economies lived, voters became more and more restive about high subsidies and the resulting high personal income tax, and paying high prices for limited goods that tended to be outdated by world standards.

    This led to the winding back of protection from the early seventies under successive (mostly Labor) governments. The inevitable result was the shutting down of most of the protected industries.
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    Interesting report in Microsoft News today reprinted from Sydney Morning Herald that AEMO is suing Neoen for non performance by Hornsdale.
    Regulator sues Tesla Big Battery in Federal Court over power grid promises (msn.com)

    Also Clive Palmer proposing new HELE Coal Power station near Barcaldine. I knew about this a while ago as relative is doing the feasibility study.

    Regards PhilipA

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Interesting report in Microsoft News today reprinted from Sydney Morning Herald that AEMO is suing Neoen for non performance by Hornsdale.
    Regulator sues Tesla Big Battery in Federal Court over power grid promises (msn.com)

    Also Clive Palmer proposing new HELE Coal Power station near Barcaldine. I knew about this a while ago as relative is doing the feasibility study.

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    Titanic sunk. QLd nickle............ and the coal power plant is only happening if Billions++++ of your taxes get into his hands

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    Titanic sunk. QLd nickle............ and the coal power plant is only happening if Billions++++ of your taxes get into his hands
    So how different to wind power????
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    So how different to wind power????
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    Clive Palmer is not involved
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    BHP - OLYMPIC DAM TO USE ALTERNATE ENERGY.

    In a surprise move BHP have decided to go alternate power from the Pt Augusta Energy Park.

    Before BHP bought Olympic Dam from Western Mining the company (Western mining) had already proposed expansion into the worlds biggest copper mine and had included plans to build it's own coal fired power station fed by the nearby Leigh Creek coal mine.

    It's funny how things change so quickly , Leigh Creek has basically closed, the rail line is not being used , the coal fired power station at Pt Augusta which fed Olympic Dam has been demolished and a new energy park at Pt Augusta has been established , BHP have got out of coal and everyone appears to be happy. A new power line has been constructed to Olympic Dam and world demand for copper ensures a long future for the mine.

    The other funny (not really funny) is that Roxby Downs is succumbing to the increasing preference to FIFO workforce and all the amenities in the town are regretfully closing.

    One could do lot worse than buy a house there cheaply and retire at the back door to some of Australia's most pristine deserts , quaint outback townships and good 4wd adventures.

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    Roxby Downs is a **** hole and hasn’t had anything much there for years. One Motel where anyone not staying at the mine camp stays a couple of pubs and a small shopping centre.

    I’ve spent way too much time there over the years and it’s the sort of place you can’t wait to leave.

    High crime rates, nothing to do and very few services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W&KO View Post

    the world is just too power hungry…..
    And in most countries,EV’s haven’t really started…..

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    And in most countries,EV’s haven’t really started…..
    Drove past a Servo on the way to work and by the time I drove back tonight the price had hit a OMG mark, Suspect the time frame of not having a EV or FCEV may be a bit shorter than some understand. Not suggesting the Disco is redundant yet for some roles- Very happy it is parked at the moment. A headline from north of here
    Sydney petrol prices heading towards most expensive on record

    My cheap ev fuel cost is mind-numbingly low, The Service costs are even more so!

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