Thread: World's biggest battery to be built at KURRI KURRI.

Originally Posted by SCorpion2

We already employ this type of technology in our grid. Large flywheels are called large synchronous condensers with flywheels and provide grid inertia. Some of this grid inertia is already provided by the large rotors used in traditional power generators; however, some power generation doesn't have large spinning rotors and additional condensers will then require construction. See AEMO | Energy Explained: Frequency Control link.

Here is the final-2020-integrated-system-plan.pdf (aemo.com.au) from AEMO. It gives quite a large amount of information that is worth reading if anyone is curious about the future of power services in Australia.

Ah, not quite.

Large flywheels are called large synchronous condensers with flywheels and provide grid inertia.

The function of a "synchronous condenser" is to improve the power factor of AC grids, nothing to do with inertia, OR frequency control.

Originally Posted by bob10

Now I don't lay claims to being an expert on this, but Renewable energy is happening, and happening now. It is in its infancy, in many respects. But the arguments against sound very similar to the arguments against steam, in the days of sail. And the arguments against the horseless carriage, and heavier than air flight. It is going to happen, you jump on board or get left behind.

While I’m on board with renewables - in a big way, not speaking up about potential issues or corruption and silencing objections is also non productive. Not that I’m having a go at you here - just making a comment - people (they are out there) who condemn others as naysayers or haters just because they bring up opposing views when they are just trying to bring in other points can skew the agenda. I’ve been accused of being an EV hater many times here on the forum because I bring up points on charging and infrastructure - even though I’m pro EV.

Both sides need to be heard - the obvious nut jobs can be picked pretty easily but there’s room for healthy discussion on both sides. Just saying it’s happening and dismissing others points of view is not worthwhile IMO.

Again, not saying your post is saying this or having a go, just pointing this out.

Originally Posted by Homestar

While I’m on board with renewables - in a big way, not speaking up about potential issues or corruption and silencing objections is also non productive. Not that I’m having a go at you here - just making a comment - people (they are out there) who condemn others as naysayers or haters just because they bring up opposing views when they are just trying to bring in other points can skew the agenda. I’ve been accused of being an EV hater many times here on the forum because I bring up points on charging and infrastructure - even though I’m pro EV.

Both sides need to be heard - the obvious nut jobs can be picked pretty easily but there’s room for healthy discussion on both sides. Just saying it’s happening and dismissing others points of view is not worthwhile IMO.

Again, not saying your post is saying this or having a go, just pointing this out.

If I have condemned any one for being a nay sayer, please point it out. By the same token, there are those who jump on any one who dares go against the status quo, so to speak, on this subject. works both ways. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Hoges

China and India for example are bringing on stream new High Efficiency-Low Emission coal fired power generation equivalent to Australia's total coal fired output every 6 months!.

No, they're not: that piece of disinformation re China has been floating about for years. In China it's the provincial governments that are planning new coal plants - against the wishes of the central government - but it's my understanding that (a) much of it doesn't actually get built and (b) that which does get built doesn't get used. You'll note that the articles refer to capacity and development rather than production.

This article states that coal plant growth had peaked and is declining:

Mapped: The world’s coal power plants in 2020

It's hard to understand why folks get so enthusiastically worked up about this type of rubbish, waste of money and PR stunt.

Quick search reveals that cost per Mwh of this stupid battery is roughly $200.

New York currently in the process of installing Zinc-Air battery for the huge cost of $45/Mwh.

Are folks so blinded by such nonsensical bling(like grid scale Lithium batteries), that they lose any notion of common sense?

This billion dollar waste should be protested against .. and questions asked!! why wasn't a better alternative chosen.
Who is actually benefiting from this dud deal?

Just coz you see "new lithium world saving BS installation gets the go ahead" as the headline in the news, doesn't mean it's good for anything(environment/cost of power/etc)

We're being taken for a new ride, and it's being met with applause(usually by people that just don't understand).

Took me all of about 3 minutes to find basic info as to the cost benefits of this battery vs a pretty much easily available Zinc-Air in a container solution(ie. the current project in New York .. on a much smaller scale compared to this Kurri Kurri installation)

My suggestion is to think more critically, do some 'proper' searching when you see 'BIG HEADLINE, WORLD BEING SAVED' news headline .. question it first.

This doesn't take into consideration even better grid scale battery research happening.
Lithium battery for heavy scale, static, use is a waste of the resource. And this blinkered eco warrior mindset that we "must adopt it now!", no matter the overall cost .. future generations will end up paying for it in some way.

Originally Posted by bob10

The CEP plans follow on from the announcement last October that the company would build a network of industrial-scale rooftop solar and battery storage installations, totalling up to 1,500MW.
These plans have now been expanded to encompass grid-scale batteries, with the 1,200MW Kurri Kurri battery – there is no word yet on the storage duration – to be part of a network of four big grid-scale batteries across the country with a total capacity of 2,000MW.


"World's biggest battery" at Kurri Kurri will deflate Morrison's gas dreams | RenewEconomy

What does this have to do with my Discovery 2?

Ever heard of WOFTAM? Well this is another Government subsidised WOFTAM! Our money subsidising private investment that wouldn’t be viable or even contemplated if no subsidy was present.
This is before the production of the batteries and infrastructure and future disposal is taken into account, for something that we have zero control over. Expensive virtue signalling using our money to enrich a select few. More Chinese sponsored future landfill complements of the Chinese Communist Party.

Originally Posted by Grahame Roberts

What does this have to do with my Discovery 2?

Well, I belive this is the alternate energy's thread. The D2 thread is in another part of the forum. In answer to your question, probably nothing. Feel welcome to add to the conversation, on alternate energies. Cheers.