D4 Landrover Bull Bar - latest news

[CSBrisie]

All, I received an email from, LRA, with internal communication copied:

Dear Colleagues
We are delighted to announce that the Land Rover Discovery 4 Bull Bar project is progressing well towards release for retail sale.
The final crash testing occurred last week in the UK, and whilst the results of the test data analysis are pending, all signs and initial feedback are positive. As such we anticipate final sign off from the UK Engineering team within several weeks. In order to prepare for production we now need to lock in initial pre-order quantities from
the dealer network. As the manufacture is limited to 42 bars per week, initial orders will be on an allocation basis.There will be two versions of the bar, one with forward park assist fittings and one Without.

Features:
• The bull bar has been designed to integrate into the vehicle styling better than
aftermarket alternatives.
• It has been developed to be fully compatible with Discovery 4 airbag system and
has been fully crash tested.
• Designed to operate with Land Rover factory options like front PDC and Surround
Camera System.
• Constructed of polished aluminium and high quality plastics that are built to original
equipment manufacturer specifications. Winch capability will be available at a later
point.
• The intention however is to have it integrate with the already available accessory
winch installation.


Interesting!!!

Price?

$2500 +GST

[petera]

my dealer said he thought they would be ready about May. He didn't know if they would be winch compatible.
Re cost, i was quoted about $2600.00 by ARB.
Cheers,
Peter

[101RRS]

Received this email today from Lennock Motors in Canberra via the LRC - ACT

Too much bling in polished metal - colour coding would look good though.

"GOOD AFTERNOON GOOD SIR
FOR THE INFO OF YOUR FELLOW CLUB MEMBERS.
PLEASE FIND ATTACHED IMAGES FROM LANDROVER AUSTRALIA OF THE NEW DISCOVERY 4 BULL BAR.
LAND ROVER ARE TAKING ORDER FOR THIS BAR NOW SO ITS RELEASE IS VERY CLOSE.
WHILE PRICING HAS NOT BEEN FINALISED YET, THEY ARE QUOTING BETWEEN $3200 AND $3500 FITTED, THIS IS FET TO BE SET IN CONCRETE BUT IS GIVES US AN IDEA.
THIS BAR COME WITH OR WITHOUT MOUNTS FOR PARKSENSORS AND THE PRICE IS THE SAME.

KIND REGARDS
LENNOCK MOTORS
LANDROVER /JAGUAR PARTS DEPARTMENT
126 MELROSE DRIVE
PHILLIP
A.C.T 2606



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Garry

[Wilbur]

Hmmm.... it looks a heap sight ugglier than our local offerings from ARB et al.

Wonder if it has any pluses over the aftermarket ones?

[ADMIRAL]

Confirms what i thought would occur. Very conservative styling, and an outrageous price for it. No thanks. If I was looking at an alloy bar, I think even the ECB looks better that this one, particularly colour coded. ( ECB probably made this one though .....to LR spec . )

[CSBrisie]

um, where is the photo of it?

[roamer]

I think it looks heaps better than the ECB bar(its got holes and pieces missing all over it). Polished alloy is a bit much though,colour coded would be the go. Just my opinion though.

Cheers Ken

[Stuart02]

Polished alloy will look fine on white :)

Why do factory bars, for example Toyota, Nissan, and now it seems Land rover always have exactly the same or worse entry angles and clearance as the bumpers they replace?

At least it looks like it sits in nice and close to the front of the car - maybe at the expense of driving light protection?

[mowog]

I think it looks heaps better than the ECB bar(its got holes and pieces missing all over it). Polished alloy is a bit much though,colour coded would be the go. Just my opinion though.

Cheers Ken

I have to agree (for me) it dose look better than the ECB bar.

[Dorko]

Its ugly thats for sure... however that said, the first post mentions its air bag compatible with the air bags. Is the ECB and ARB the same?

Also can you get this bull bar coloured?

PS thanks for the pics!

Dorko

[petera]

taste is personal, but for what it's worth, i also think it looks better than ECB or ARB.
CHeers,
Peter

[trobbo]

taste is personal, but for what it's worth, i also think it looks better than ECB or ARB.
CHeers,
Peter

I think we would all agree with that. Personally I think the styling of the d3/4 is right without the addition of any of the current offering of aftermarket bars.

But then I am still holding out for a sahara style bar as has been offered by ARB for other models.

Oh and btw most aftermarket bars stick out more than standard bumpers and are worse for your approach angles. This one at least looks to me like it is a copy of the front bumper with some uprights added and so has done very little decrease approach angles.

[bbyer]

I for one like the look.

Lots of shine on the front looks good to me and is all the styling rage now on the expensive pickups, at least here in Canada. Both GM, Ford, and Dodge feature big chrome grills and bumpers on their high end pickups.

The Tahoe's are still for the most part, body colour on the front end, but the pickups, not so.

[Stuart02]

most aftermarket bars stick out more than standard bumpers and are worse for your approach angles. .

True about how far they stick out, but without bothering to quote well-known aftermarket manufacturers directly, i think they'd dispute that their bars decrease approach angles compared to standard bumpers... and as someone who trashed the OE bumper on my old D2 on the first rock shelf I came to, I'd have to agree with them!

I can just see that with this LR bar, the winch opening (if it's in the same spot as the original bumper) will be quite handy for excavating, and the lack of taper on the corners will ensure the tyres don't come in contact with any large rocks unnecessarily? :angel:

I don't see any mounting tabs in the pics either?

[Dorko]

So does the ARB/ECB bar effect air bars?

Dorko

[Disco4SE]

But then I am still holding out for a sahara style bar as has been offered by ARB for other models.
.
With you here on the Sahara bar Trobbo, however my OL bar saved the front quarter panels a couple of times the other weekend during a serious off road weekend.
As far as the LR aluminium bar.............too big & bulky, too shiny.
Cheers, Craig

[petera]

So does the ARB/ECB bar effect air bars?

Dorko
The ARB guys in Penrith have assured me it is airbag compatible.

[Bushwanderer]

The ARB bar for the D3 is airbag-compatible.

I have NO doubt that for the D4 is likewise.

Best Wishes,
Peter

[Duck's Guts]

From the ARB website re the D4 winch bar:
"Superbly engineered, air bag compatible mounting system secures to chassis via high tensile bolts"

And also re general ARB bar design:
"To ensure compatibility, ARB assesses each vehicle's frontal crush characteristics and replicates the crush rate into the design of each air bag compatible bull bar and its mounting system. This method enables engineers to achieve maximum possible vehicle and passenger protection without affecting the crash pulse. ARB has invested heavily in vehicle crash barrier tests to validate the performance and compliance of its air bag compatible bull bars."

[roamer]

Hi, any of you LR employees know if the cost of the D4 bar has been set yet :confused:, earlier posts seem to vary the price a fair bit :o


Cheers Ken

[sniegy]

3K fitted.:D

How many you after ?

[AGRO]

Last Friday I enquired at a dealership here in WA and was supplied with the same pictures as shown in this thread.

I was informed by the LR spare parts guy that "first" producton run will not have facility for Fog Lamps (???) - but these will be incorporated in the next production run.

He stated this to me because he was apparently told by LR Australia that the pictures aren't truly representative but are those of a design model.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[mowog]

3K fitted.:D

How many you after ?

What is the weight of the bar with all fittings?

I have a new caravan and weight may become an issue for me. I am taking the whole rig over a weight bridge to see where things are at.

[Tombie]

If the worst you ever hit is a fox or rabbit that bar may just be effective...

Looks like a "look at me" accessory for the Latté sipping set and Soccer Mums...

Would have little to no benefit during a real animal strike.

To each their own, but for a tourer, this item is as useful as a sore arse to a boundary rider.

[roamer]

Have you seen them and checked them out, or can you tell from a photo :confused:

[mowog]

If the worst you ever hit is a fox or rabbit that bar may just be effective...

Looks like a "look at me" accessory for the Latté sipping set and Soccer Mums...

Would have little to no benefit during a real animal strike.

To each their own, but for a tourer, this item is as useful as a sore arse to a boundary rider.

I don't drink Latte's my kids don't play soccer I am not a mum... And the bar looks ok to me. So your demographic assumptions might be a touch off... ;)

[Tombie]

I don't drink Latte's my kids don't play soccer I am not a mum... And the bar looks ok to me. So your demographic assumptions might be a touch off... ;)

Demographic :p - City Dweller with a desire to head bush when you can.. ;)

Very different to living outside the burbs where all your driving is at risk of animal strike.

The design of those bars shows engineering that will not handle a decent strike.
I would comfortably (without concern) hit a 4 foot Kangaroo with an ARB, maybe even the TJM or ECB bar...
I would not be willing to risk a strike to the LR bar work.
This introduces one of the hazards that frontal protection is there to prevent, the necessity to swerve or veer to avoid damage.
In doing so, one is more likely to lose control of the vehicle - a common cause of rural accidents.

Whilst I agree that the radiator *may* survive a frontal hit with their design, I can see expensive panel damage regardless.
The ends and tube will fold like a political promise and the close proximity to all panels will most certainly result in an expensive repair bill.

Hey, I dont mind at all - if you like the bar, by all means go right ahead and fit one...
But do it, knowing its not going to provide anywhere near the level of protection of the aftermarket offerings.
And do it knowing that any moderate to decent hit is going to result in panel damage requiring repair.

[mowog]

Now that demographic is spot on.

I honestly don't know if I will ever fit any kind of front bar. The combined weight of my D4 and loaded van are very close to the max allowed. Adding a front bar would only add to those problems.

[Stuart02]

The design of those bars shows engineering that will not handle a decent strike.

Can you be more specific, Tombie? Other than the tight fit (how much tighter than the current generation ARB bullbars do you think it is? 10mm?) potentially causing panel damage, is it the spacing of the bars, or their diameter, or profile, or the gauge of the tubing used? The welding quality? Can you tell from the pics?

[LRHybrid100]

Well I've ordered mine! Pls form an orderly queue behind me!

[Tombie]

Can you be more specific, Tombie? Other than the tight fit (how much tighter than the current generation ARB bullbars do you think it is? 10mm?) potentially causing panel damage, is it the spacing of the bars, or their diameter, or profile, or the gauge of the tubing used? The welding quality? Can you tell from the pics?

Quality looks spot on.
Bar is to close to body, ends are plastic and will fold under impact.
Brush tubes on sides don't protect corner of lights (branch or roo head will smash light assembly)

These are just the first few observations

[Stuart02]

True true true - I guess if the brush bars protected the headlights, then LR wouldn't be able to sell as many headlight grills... :D Guess they're targeting the safari-bar set...

I wonder why the bar ends need to be plastic, too?

[roamer]

Well I've ordered mine! Pls form an orderly queue behind me!



Did you get a delivery date :confused:

[roamer]

How are these going now :confused: anybody got one on yet :confused:

[Wilbur]

How are these going now :confused: anybody got one on yet :confused:

My dealer assures me that when I pick up my D4 in a couple of weeks that the ARB bar WILL be fitted.

We'll see, and I will report back.

Cheers,

Paul

[roamer]

My dealer assures me that when I pick up my D4 in a couple of weeks that the ARB bar WILL be fitted.

We'll see, and I will report back.

Cheers,

Paul



Hi Paul,
Mines a HSE and the ARB bar for some reason will not fit. :confused:
As blingy as some have said I quite the LR one and have a son who does powder coating who reckons he can match Nara Bronze if it is too much.

You must be getting excited, you will not be dissappointed. :cool::cool:


Cheers Ken

[Wilbur]

Hi Paul,
Mines a HSE and the ARB bar for some reason will not fit. :confused:
As blingy as some have said I quite the LR one and have a son who does powder coating who reckons he can match Nara Bronze if it is too much.

You must be getting excited, you will not be dissappointed. :cool::cool:


Cheers Ken

Yes, I should have remembered, there is a difference with the HSE. ARB told me that when I was getting prices.

Thanks Ken, yes, very, very, VERY excited, and made more so by enthusiastic comments like "You won't be disappointed"!! Won't be long now!

Cheers,

Paul

[Scouse]

How are these going now :confused: anybody got one on yet :confused:I saw the first production bar being test fitted last week. It can't be too far away now :).

[roamer]

I saw the first production bar being test fitted last week. It can't be too far away now :).




Thanks....you have got me excited now. :clap2:

Not as excited as getting a new car, but not as expensive either. :lol2:

Cheers Ken

[petera]

this is the trial bar fitted about 2 weeks ago. I am told it should be ready sometime in june.
CHeers,
Peter

[Wilbur]

That looks very, very smart. Makes the car look even better.

[Redback]

I really do not like that bar, mainly because it's too shiney, I hate chrome and shiney alloy bars.

So far for me, either the ARB or Opposite Lock bar would be my choice, in steel and black.

Baz.

[ADMIRAL]

I really do not like that bar, mainly because it's too shiney, I hate chrome and shiney alloy bars.

So far for me, either the ARB or Opposite Lock bar would be my choice, in steel and black.

Baz.

Ditto - Undoubtedly does the job protection wise, but misses the spot IMHO on looks front, and from the pics, the front clearance will be worse than the std plastics.

[drowell]

Not sure if someone has replied, but the ARB bar (I think looks the best - I hate the blingy LR one, but it's a matter of preference) DOES fit. I have one on my HSE. Powder coated in Bournville - I love it.

[drowell]

Oh - forgot to say the parking sensors and the headlight washers all work too. Nice job, with bash plates and all - the guys at Mannell Motors went to a lot of effort to sort the rumour that it wouldn't fit.
Cheers

[bbyer]

I really do not like that bar, mainly because it's too shiny, I hate chrome and shiny alloy bars. So far for me, either the ARB or Opposite Lock bar would be my choice, in steel and black.Baz. My view is if Land Rover America introduces that shiny bull bar into the North American market, the plant in Solihull will have to be expanded.

Full chrome grills and bumpers, the more the better, are now pretty much standard on the new upscale Ford, Dodge, and GM pickups. Chrome is the rage. Hence, the quicker that front end is introduced over here, the more we will see on the streets coming at us.

[roamer]

Um, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

I thought the ARB bar, made the car look like it had a huge overbite problem, and the way they fit the fog lights and cut the arches and put bits of trim to fill gaps ,seems more befitting a Defender (duck for cover).
Steel is heavy, but stronger, as long as the bar will protect the radiator\intercooler, you can keep going ,if the upper bars fold back and damages panels \break lights, that won't stop you and insurance can fix it later.

I love the bling look, have a look at the rest of the D4, it's just dripping with style ,class and bling, but can still perform when the going gets tough, I'm trusting LR to have done the same with the bar.

Cheers Ken

[trobbo]

Um, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

I thought the ARB bar, made the car look like it had a huge overbite problem, and the way they fit the fog lights and cut the arches and put bits of trim to fill gaps ,seems more befitting a Defender (duck for cover).
Steel is heavy, but stronger, as long as the bar will protect the radiator\intercooler, you can keep going ,if the upper bars fold back and damages panels \break lights, that won't stop you and insurance can fix it later. Cheers Ken

here here

I like the stock look :o or if a bar was to be added the factory bar.... colour coded.....

[Tombie]

To each their own...
That's an urban bar.

Good for shopping trolley and feral cat protection...

*may* prevent damage from a small Euro but nothing more...

Definitely styled by the designer of the Prado factory bar!

All good and well to claim - as long as it gets me home insurance can fix it - but wears thin when a small hit destroys thousands of dollars worth of car!

On a side point - The ARB design prevents damage to the fog lights by fitting them behind the bar - another case of function then form....

The D4 is a neat unit, dressed in full offroad trim still looks tough.

Want "bling" (**** US term) then import an Escalade :D

[bbyer]

I guess I like the bling. While I am not certain about cats, I think the top of the horizontal bar elements are close enough to the hood in that they may act as a rock defector, and yes, certainly shopping carts, also a significant road hazard here at least.

As a matter of norm, we spread pea gravel on the roads over the winter to help provide some sort of traction. Vertical windscreen vehicles such as Jeep and LR, act as rock collectors. Often the pickup guys install deflectors mounted a couple of inched in front of the leading of the hood. For whatever reason, that location full width seems to deflect most of the rocks.

Land Rover does not make a suitable deflector, and the Jeep hoods are too narrow for any sort of deflector to work.
The pipe of an ARB bar is mounted too far away to intercept the pea gravel, (stops roos however), but as the LR unit fits closer, it looks about right as a rock stopper.
Regardless, the LR D4 bar sures looks better than the "early gate" styles that one tended to see on the Series units - but they were effective.

[drowell]

The issue of bling on the D4 depends on what options you get I guess. I bought mine in Bournville and have all colour coded or black accessories. I guess I don't follow current fashion. I do like style, but my choice not what the world dictates. To each their own eh?
I went for the black rock sliders instead of the s/s ones.

[ADMIRAL]

Black on black looks ok to me.

[bbyer]

The issue of bling on the D4 depends on what options you get I guess. I bought mine in Bournville and have all colour coded or black accessories. I guess I don't follow current fashion. I do like style, but my choice not what the world dictates. To each their own eh?
I went for the black rock sliders instead of the s/s ones.You are also in current fashion.
Ford here has a decal option that tries to emulate mud - big splash type decals along both sides of a new pickup - other options include the full sized chrome grill, and on an F250, it is like the House of Mirrors approaching. Ford calls their mud decals option, "Digital Mud". I do not think that option is available yet thru Land Rover America.

[petera]

Spoke to the dealer today to get a price on the LR bar and see if it was winch compatible.
He hasn't got a final price yet and he hasn't had confirmation that it is/isn't winch compatable, however he thinks it isn't.
Cheers,
Peter

[roverrescue]

Im with you Mike, its a latte bar. You quote is especially pertinent:
'Definitely styled by the designer of the Prado factory bar!'

Just this week one of the work playdoes with factory alloy bar punted skippy. We only have lil skippy up here.
Body hit to the front left, just below headlight. Alloy folded, headlight loops caved back and took out bonnet, left guard and light. The folded corner took out the tyre and rim.

If it had just a factory bumper probably would have folded, skip woulda gone under tyre and all would be good... maybe a plastic bumper.

If it had a steel bar, skippy would have a headache and playdoe might have shuddered.

I guess at least there is now one less 4wd camry on the road? The point about insurance covering damage is pretty irrelevant if a 30kg skippy ruins your holiday to the Cape?

Steve

[rick130]

I agree with Mike and Steve, and I've had more roo hits than I care to count, and before anyone says they've travelled country roads for years without a hit, well, you are just lucky. ;)

We had a hit in SWMBO's old GQ about fifteen years ago that almost left us undriveable. It was a very similar situation to the Playdo Steve mentioned.

The ARB bar on the Defender has had hits with Eastern greys up to a genuine 85-90km/h impact speed.
Scared the begeezus out of me with the shock that went through the car, I thought I'd be stuck but all that happened was a mangled numberplate and bashed steering damper when he/she went underneath. (and I checked the chassis too, it was a big hit)

Our GU Patrol with it's aluminium bull bar hasn't faired so well, it's stoved in in about four places across the front ATM, and I've pulled a couple of big ones out.

It was supposed to come with a steel BB but it's SWMBO vehicle and she wanted the bling one.
She understood after the first hit why I wanted the steel bar, particularly as where we lived was roo/wallaby central, they would even run into the side of your car when only travelling at 30km/h :(.

[clubagreenie]

Let me just say I think I wish I could afford a D4. I wouldn't be too worried about the bull bar.

[roverrescue]

Just to make the point even more... have a look at the steel bar pictured by Drowell 12 posts above. Good spacing from guard and bonnet. Compare that with the LR alloy offering.

Firstly the steel will take a hit and not actually bend... second it would have to bend a bloody long way to take out panels.

That LR bar would punt a baby skip, push the ally hoops back into the panel work - There would be more damage than with no bar. That in my mind makes it a liability.

Im sure the Dwhatever has awesome brakes with ABS and cruise control? These are 10X more effective at preventing damage from animal strike than a piece of shiny Al.

peace,
Steve

[Redback]

Trouble is that LR assume people aren't using D4s offroad and they might be correct in 95% of cases, us on the other hand do and will be using ours offroad, probably not as extreme as we did in the D2 but still most of what we did (eg) I wouldn't hesitate to do Heartbreak Hill at Sunny Corner that we did in the D2 last weekend.

So that factory bar for us is useless, it's fine for shopping trolley strikes;) useless for roo strikes:(

Baz.

[roamer]

While we have all the bar experts commenting,
what about the ECB D4 bar, any better or alloy is alloy


Cheers Ken

[Tombie]

While we have all the bar experts commenting,
what about the ECB D4 bar, any better or alloy is alloy


Cheers Ken

Just to clarify... Even steel is an alloy :cool:

Its the Aluminium based bars that lack the strength over the steel products...

IIRC to make a 'similar' product its 2/3 the weight of steel, but requires material twice as thick to make alloy close to the strength of its steel equivalent.

Would also depend on which aluminium alloy they used to construct the bar.

For a weight difference of 15-20kg... I'd always go steel... Far less likely to tear or crack, less prone to fatigue....

[gghaggis]

There are various grades of aluminium alloys - some of the 'military grade' specs for armour plating are significantly more resistant to impact (I use these for my underbody plates), but I don't know if any of the commercial bar manufacturers use them, as they are considerably more expensive, and difficult to work with.

Cheers,

Gordon

[CaverD3]

Steel has a greater modulus of elasticity, it bends, aluminiun ally will crack.
When the tree hit mine it bent enough to push the guard onto the tyre. But then returned enough to clear the tyre so I could drive. Alloy bar even of the same strength would have stayed where it was.

[Graeme]

what about the ECB D4 bar, any better or alloy is alloy
I'll let you know if I hit a roo!

[roamer]

I'll let you know if I hit a roo!



Please don't bother

[Graeme]

Bother with hitting a roo or with letting you know the result?

[drowell]

I thought about alloy (aluminium), but regardless of what the military do, we are talking about 4wd manufacturers. The steel as I understand is not that much heavier and at the end of the day - you can use thinner guage. I am balancing looks with function. I like the colour coded look personally and think the LR one is honestly pig ulgly. Something for soccer mums with Prados.
The ARB one is a really nice fit, looks good, and offers good clearance. The LR park sensors, lights, UHF antennas and winch fit seamlessly.
If you want a winch...I paid top dollar($1900) for a Warn...you can't from what I've read, fit a winch to the LR bar. I was quoted $6000 for the LR one (made by Warn as I recall).
Still - to each their own...I'm just not into bling. Just getting old I guess!36137

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[roverrescue]

Gordon, the issue is not entirely material properties between aluminium and steel as it is about design. But having said that I am certain that Al bar manufacturers would use whatever alloy they can get in buk...Most probably 6106 - T6, no different steel bar manufacturers would use A360 steel plate and NB tube??? The military also have 'plastics' that give carbide tooling a touch up... that doesnt mean they get used in milk containers?

With respect to design:
Most OEM aluminium bars hug the body panels for whatever reasons.
This makes them a liability with respect to animal strike. Full stop the end. Soft malleable Al close to panel work WILL cause damage when skip comes out to say tsu tsu tsu?

Rick would know, he lives in big-badda-boom skip country. Big greays, big swampies and lots of them. I worked in Inverell for a 3 month stint. Drove Inverell Sydney return probably 5 times... 11 roo strikes. In town most vehicles were 4bys of some description. There were steel bars and then bent busted twisted ally bars... plain and simple lesson.

Steve

[roamer]

Bother with hitting a roo or with letting you know the result?




Hope you don't hit it, :bangin: but if you do, ya could let us know how it went


Cheers Ken

[roamer]

[QUOTE=drowell;1485900]...I'm just not into bling. Just getting old I guess




You have a D4 HSE 4X4, and your not into bling :D:D

[Graeme]

Hope you don't hit it, :bangin: but if you do, ya could let us know how it went


Cheers Ken
If the bar needs replacing it will be with a steel one.

[CSBrisie]

I think LRA are quoting around $5000 for a warn winch and winch kit on the D4; I got mine from a UK dealer, delivered to the door for around $2600 (winch plus the cradle) c/- high AUD.

cheers

[Stuart02]

I think LRA are quoting around $5000 for a warn winch and winch kit on the D4; I got mine from a UK dealer, delivered to the door for around $2600 (winch plus the cradle) c/- high AUD.

cheers

Grrr that just makes me angry! Thanks LRA, for wanton profiteering from unsuspecting customers!

[petera]

Was talking to Service manager yesterday whilst getting car serviced and he's said that they had a customers remove an ARB because it adversely affected the handling, was noisy and interfered with the "harmonics" of the car.
Comments?
He also said the lR bar was being crashed tested currently.

[ADMIRAL]

Funny...hitting a big red has the same result !! ( noisy and affects the harmonics I mean ) What a load of crap. I would like to see the data on the difference in weight of the LR alloy bar and a steel bar. I would guess about 40-50 kgs difference. If it makes such a difference, what about all the owners out there with steel bullbars, or alloy bullbars with winches. A winch would be more or less equal to the weight difference between an alloy and steel bar, and LR will factory fit them.

Doesn't make any sense. IMO an excuse for something else perhaps.

[drowell]

Agree with Admiral...what a pile of rubbish.
Noisy? If you can hear your bull bar there's something wrong. My roof rack is the thing I hear.
Harmonics? Handling? The 104L aux fuel tank, the rear bar and the second spare (not to mention the rest of the gear) are the things that affect my handling. If you have a roof rack and stick ANYTHING on it you'll affect the handling a lot more than a steel bull bar.
Remember the steel ones are a lot thinner gauge than Al so the weight diff is not as big.
Listen to all of what you get told then make a balanced decision.

[drowell]

[QUOTE=drowell;1485900]...I'm just not into bling. Just getting old I guess




You have a D4 HSE 4X4, and your not into bling :D:D
Show me the bling...admittedly the car oozes quality but with functional items. Even the rock sliders on mine are black not s/s.

[rmp]

Funny...hitting a big red has the same result !! ( noisy and affects the harmonics I mean ) What a load of crap. I would like to see the data on the difference in weight of the LR alloy bar and a steel bar. I would guess about 40-50 kgs difference. If it makes such a difference, what about all the owners out there with steel bullbars, or alloy bullbars with winches. A winch would be more or less equal to the weight difference between an alloy and steel bar, and LR will factory fit them.

Doesn't make any sense. IMO an excuse for something else perhaps.

Agree entirely. The alloy bar won't be 40-50kg lighter than the steel either.

Hearing the bullbar???? Sorry, but LOL...

Did you notice the fuel consumption increased due to messing with the drag coef and extra weight? It would have done. Whether you were able to notice is quite another matter.

[roamer]

[quote=roamer;1485978]
Show me the bling...admittedly the car oozes quality but with functional items. Even the rock sliders on mine are black not s/s.

Led signature fairy lights,:cool:
interior mood lighting in door handles,:eek:
fake air intake,;)
19" wheels and low profile tyres, :o
tidy useless little mudflaps:(
not all bling is shiney:BigThumb: not all functional items are black:angel:

[bbyer]

Led signature fairy lights,:cool:
These are recognition lights, much like seen on large aircraft.

Interior mood lighting in door handles,:eek:
This is to distinguish the 4 from the Series units where the only door exit release most often seemed to be on the exterior.

Fake air intake,;)
This is for the future engine with dual super chargers.

19" wheels and low profile tyres, :o
The brakes have to be big to tame the horses, and the tyres high speed, so that is what you get.

Tidy useless little mud flaps:(
That is a carryover from the 3, sort of a heritage thing.

Not all bling is shiny:BigThumb: not all functional items are black:angel:
Better terms are style and utility; bling is when a particular "football' star implements a few mods and then it is at best, a very kind term.

[roamer]

Ha ha ha:Rolling:
Off cause your right,
I just couldn't see it thru my bi-xenon, self leveling,adaptive,power washing, sunglass lens, :cool::cool:
you have sure put the electric park brake on my thoughts now,
but I should have seen that coming in my auto adjusting reverse mirrors
what a dipstick I must be to of not realised how functional all this is
Cheers Ken

[roamer]

Was talking to Service manager yesterday whilst getting car serviced and he's said that they had a customers remove an ARB because it adversely affected the handling, was noisy and interfered with the "harmonics" of the car.
Comments?
He also said the lR bar was being crashed tested currently.

Wow.. if thats true he must have hated it, they cut the guards to fit those bars
Wonder what they did with old bar I'm in the market for a bar.

[DiscoWeb]

Wonder what they did with old bar I'm in the market for a bar.

They probably chromed it and put it back on for only $2,500 !!:wasntme:


George

[OzAd4x4]

Hi all,

I have no doubt there is some BS being spoken by the dealer here, however I have to give the harmonics thing some consideration....

I have just had the ARB bar fitted to my D4 (no roof racks, same tyres as before) and the first thing I noticed when i drove it after the bar fitment (it's my daily driver so I know all the noises...) was that it sounded like I'd dropped the mufflers or it had a hole in the exhaust when under load - it now produces a much nicer induction sound like after fitting pod filters...!

The only change though was the bar so it led me to believe that it had changed the air intake path to the engine bay and has therefore created some different harmonic noises.....soooo I don't think LR are necessarily BS-ing on this one... Mind you I like the new increased noise...even the wife questioned whether I had been spending money on something other that the bar :wasntme:

[CSBrisie]

If you want to experience induction roar - add a LR RAI to your D43.0L...(or 2.7 I assume?)..OMG....I had a nice quiet D4, now with the window down and right foot down I get an orchestra 1 foot from right ear.....anyone with a RAI will know what I mean! :D

[Disco4SE]

Hi all,

I have no doubt there is some BS being spoken by the dealer here, however I have to give the harmonics thing some consideration....

I have just had the ARB bar fitted to my D4 (no roof racks, same tyres as before) and the first thing I noticed when i drove it after the bar fitment (it's my daily driver so I know all the noises...) was that it sounded like I'd dropped the mufflers or it had a hole in the exhaust when under load - it now produces a much nicer induction sound like after fitting pod filters...!

The only change though was the bar so it led me to believe that it had changed the air intake path to the engine bay and has therefore created some different harmonic noises.....soooo I don't think LR are necessarily BS-ing on this one... Mind you I like the new increased noise...even the wife questioned whether I had been spending money on something other that the bar :wasntme:
That's really weird. I had the OL bar fitted which is almost identical to the ARB and there was no change in noise, handling or anything for that matter.
Wonder what ARB do differently to OL.
Cheers, Craig

[lrdef110]

OzAd4x4, I have an ARB bar on a D4 and there has been NO change to noise levels. I fitted the bar and cut the rubber surround behind the grill to fit with the new bar. I have heard of some ARB fitters not replacing the rubber shroud and if this is the case with your bar it may be the cause of the noise. However, I had an ARB bar on my previous D3 and the shroud was removed by ARB to fit the bar and I did not notice any increase in noise. Would suggest you have a good look at what they have done fitting the bar.
Cheers

[Graeme]

If you want to experience induction roar - add a LR RAI to your D43.0L...(or 2.7 I assume?)..OMG....I had a nice quiet D4, now with the window down and right foot down I get an orchestra 1 foot from right ear.....anyone with a RAI will know what I mean! :D
I suppose that some of that noise comes through the glass when the window is up too. I could hear the induction noise from the snorkel on my TD5 D2 through the glass on the rare occasion I was a passenger.

[ADMIRAL]

Hi all,

I have no doubt there is some BS being spoken by the dealer here, however I have to give the harmonics thing some consideration....

I have just had the ARB bar fitted to my D4 (no roof racks, same tyres as before) and the first thing I noticed when i drove it after the bar fitment (it's my daily driver so I know all the noises...) was that it sounded like I'd dropped the mufflers or it had a hole in the exhaust when under load - it now produces a much nicer induction sound like after fitting pod filters...!

The only change though was the bar so it led me to believe that it had changed the air intake path to the engine bay and has therefore created some different harmonic noises.....soooo I don't think LR are necessarily BS-ing on this one... Mind you I like the new increased noise...even the wife questioned whether I had been spending money on something other that the bar :wasntme:

Very hard to believe the bar fitment has caused or contributed to the change. 4wd's have the aerodynamics of a brick. How do you disrupt the disrupted airflow enough to cause any more noise than you have already.

[OzAd4x4]

As I didn't fit the bar myself this time (got a good deal so saved myself some work :) ) I'm not sure what rubber piece you are referring to...any pics as I do have all the bits that were removed in the garage....thought someone might need a replacement on here at some stage.

The only thing I can think of is that the airflow into the engine bay is following a different path now as the openings on the ARB are different to the stock bumper..although I also don't have the rubber inserts fitted between the headlights and bar which ARB have evidently stopped supplying? Maybe this could be causing the noise?

Either way I'm not bothered as to me it sounds much nicer ;)


OzAd4x4, I have an ARB bar on a D4 and there has been NO change to noise levels. I fitted the bar and cut the rubber surround behind the grill to fit with the new bar. I have heard of some ARB fitters not replacing the rubber shroud and if this is the case with your bar it may be the cause of the noise. However, I had an ARB bar on my previous D3 and the shroud was removed by ARB to fit the bar and I did not notice any increase in noise. Would suggest you have a good look at what they have done fitting the bar.
Cheers

[Duck's Guts]

I couldn't hear any possible additional ARB bar noise over the Maxxis Bighorn M/T's....
Same for the Safari snorkel...
;)

[roamer]

Maybe this is what I need

[bbyer]

Maybe this is what I need Given there is no air suspension to level things out, I would think a Kaymar rear bumper with a couple of spares mounted should about balance things out.:o

That is a current update on "early gate" of the Series units I presume, or is it just a far eastern interpretation of local mores?:twisted:

As to resonance, harmonics, or whatever, yes, it just might receive some. I think I would keep looking.:)

Now that I think of it, there was this Mel Gibson movie set in Australia ....

[drowell]

Ha ha ha:Rolling:
Off cause your right,
I just couldn't see it thru my bi-xenon, self leveling,adaptive,power washing, sunglass lens, :cool::cool:
you have sure put the electric park brake on my thoughts now,
but I should have seen that coming in my auto adjusting reverse mirrors
what a dipstick I must be to of not realised how functional all this is
Cheers Ken


Handy to be a dipstick - the D4 doesn't have one - it's electronic!
:D

[Graeme]

Handy to be a dipstick - the D4 doesn't have one - it's electronic!
:D
I somehow think that Roamer may have already known that a 3.0 D4 doesn't have one...

[LGM]

Drowell,
I have just taken delivery of my D4 HSE and need to fit a Bull Bar. My D2 has an ARB bar fitted and that has protected me on more than one occasion. The LR dealer can't provide me with an availability timeframe for the LR Bull Bar and given my experience with ARB I would like to stick with the ARB product. I am still not convinced that the alloy bars currently on the market for the D4 are that good. ARB suppliers in Perth say they can't fit the ARB bar to a D4 HSE??? I think it is something to do with the front park sensors and camera? As I don't have a front camera there is no issue there. I noticed from your pictures the front park sensors are installed. Do they work O.K.? Can you provide contact details for firm that fitted the bar? I can then give them a call to see what they had to do to make it work this may give me a lever to pull with the suppliers!:confused:
LGM

[CaverD3]

Try Opposite Lock they make a carbon copy of the ARB one. You can disable the FPS or drill holes for them.

[drowell]

Hi
I had the same issue. They said the bar would not fit the HSE but couldn't say why. The sensors are fitted and work fine. My original discussions with an ARB owned store said they could not drill the bar to fit the sensors as it would affect compliance.
I transferred my order to a local ARB Franchise store who provide a range of brands and I selected them as a one stop shop for almost all of my car mods.
They said the bar could be fitted with the sensors. So the only concern then was that the 3.0 was different somehow from the 2.7. I pointed out that the 3.0 is standard in the SE.
I can't recall what the final issue was, but essentially, the bar fits fine and I think is the best looking of the lot. The LR one is ugly (in my mind).
I've gone colour coded (or black) for all of my accessories as my car is Bournville which is almost black.
Personal preference I guess.
The sensors still work, but I will admit I ignore them a lot due to the fact that the rear ones are sometimes useless - they get upset by the spares on the Kaymar rear wheel carrier bar so I turn them off. But if you haven't been in reverse the front ones are OK.
Contact for my ARB guys is as below. Speak with Giles (he will remember the details - he put a LOT of time into sorting it for me) or Jimmy, but they are away at Philip Island - back on Tuesday. Mention my name and he'll know all about it. They did a lot of work on my car.

02 9980 8855 sales@mannellmotors.com.au
email me on drowell@mmm.com if you want.
Cheers
Doug

[Ivan]

Just had an Opposite Lock Bull Bar fitted to my D3 V8. Was not impressed by ARB as they said we don't do them for V8's didn't say why not or what the problems would be. Went to my local ARB franchise and he said he would try and fit one but, if they had problems I still had to buy the bar! Opposite lock said they didn't see why it should not fit and will give it a go. They also said if it didn't fit for some reason they would take the bar back and not charge me for it. As a bonus I got a pair of driving lights for free. Must say the bar looks very nice and is almost a replica of the ARB one.

Ivan

[drowell]

ARB were not helpful. THe boys at Mannell Motors had to really harrangue them, but we got it sorted. The bar is great, just the liaison was lousy.
No debate over buying if it didn't fit. The guys just checked thoroughly first.
I bought package with a winch and lights and got a free Stihl chainsaw...

[LGM]

Doug many thanks!

The info you have provided gives me hope and saves me much drama. I have been in discussions with a supplier in Perth who is of a like mind and cannot see a reason for not fitting the ARB bar? Maybe drilling holes for the park sensors mucks with the bars integrity??? What does that mean for a D4 SE with front park sensors? Will the ARB bar fit? I think so if cash is invloved.

CarverD3 / Ivan I will check out the OL bar.

LGM (Lindsay):)

[drowell]

It's too far back now, but I think the Mannell guys told me the sensors were not the issue. I don't know if they had to modify or if the bar was ready for the sensors. Giles will be more than happy to talk to you. After a lot of following up on ARB, the guys fitted it for the originally quoted cost - no drama.

[roamer]

Hey drowell
Is that the only place you can fit the winch solenoid box with that ARB bar

Cheers Ken

[drowell]

Not sure. I'd like to have it hidden away, but that's where they put it. Something to ponder.

[NTB]

A question for drowell.
Was there a option to have the Radiio Aerial mounted fitted to the Top Bar instead of down low?

I have also had a look at the OL Bull Bar. Is does not look to bad and comes with 3 high Radio Aerial mounts. 2 on the Left and 1 on the Right. I would say they are readys for Flags if required for out west. It is also standard with Winch Mounts if that is a requirement. I asked about cover plates if a winch was not required and OL said they would find out for me and do something if I purchased the Bull Bar.
I shall see, I am not planning to purchase one for a few months yet.

NTB

[drowell]

No there are two low mounts - one either side.

[3rr]

40036

40037

40038


As a matter of interest for all those bling loving RRS owners out there (& dare I say LR3 and 4 even though they don't like to think of them as RRS's)

[Watpub]

Hi
...They said the bar would not fit the HSE but couldn't say why. The sensors are fitted and work fine. My original discussions with an ARB owned store said they could not drill the bar to fit the sensors as it would affect compliance...


For what it's worth I rang the ARB engineers when the bar was first released and they said it couldn't be fitted to HSEs or to V8s because the engine configuration was different to other D4 models - according to them it had something to do with the placement or size of the radiator. Didn't make sense to me given that you can get the same diesel donk in TDVs and SEs but the ARB dealer also wouldn't try and make it fit because of compliance issues - he told he his backside was on the line if he fitted a bar to a vehicle that the manufacturer (ARB ) said it could not be fitted to.

Ron

[101RRS]

As a matter of interest for all those bling loving RRS owners out there (& dare I say LR3 and 4 even though they don't like to think of them as RRS's)

Unfortunately there is no bullbar specifically made for the RRS - to fit the D3 bar modifications are required to be made to the bar - also the bar is not complianced for the RRS so is illegal to fit and could cause problems with insurance claims in an accident.

Due to the similarity in the front end of RRS and D3 I cannot understand why ARB did not go for compliance for both vehicles.

Here is another brand on the RRS.

Garry

[NTB]

garrycolWho makes the Bull Bar fitted to the RRS you have attached pictures of?

NTB

[~Rich~]

garrycolWho makes the Bull Bar fitted to the RRS you have attached pictures of?

NTB

Picture 3 will make that easy for you! :p

ARB ;)

[101RRS]

garrycolWho makes the Bull Bar fitted to the RRS you have attached pictures of?

NTB

Sorry - I do not know - they are pics I found on the net some time ago. The car was for sale on Carsales late last year for a highly inflated price.


Picture 3 will make that easy for you! :p

ARB ;)

The pics you referred to are not the ones I put up - the ones that 3rrr as you indicate is an ARB bar but I do not know when the ones I put up are off. This car is a US RRS not and Aust car.

Garry

[CaverD3]

It's the ECB bar. Looks like it just drove through a gate IMHO. :angel:

[trevorj]

Heres the ECB Big Bar on my D4. Looks the goods. Forget the parking sensors though - I have mine all switched off.

[roamer]

Hi trevorj
Did they chop anything up on the D4 when fitting that bar,?
i.e. flares and guards and is the bumper still intact, are they new fog lights ?
I'm liking that ECB bar more every time I see it :cool::cool:
Cheers Ken

[NTB]

Hello trevorj,
I have a D4 SDV6 SE and shall be looking at fitting a Bull Bar in a few months time.
I am also interested in how your Bull Bar is fitted.
Is your finish a Black Hammer Tone or Black Powder Coat?
Did you fit the Bull Bar yourself or have it fitted?

NTB

[Stuart02]

Am I missing something, or is there a reason no one's mentioning TJM? They do one for the D3 (taste is personal) but I don't know about the D4?

[NTB]

Hello Stuart02
I have spoken to TJM and they do not produce/stock a Bull Bar for the D4. But they could sell me a ECB.

NTB

[trevorj]

Hi guys: I had mine fitted in Perth at AutoExtra, Osborne Park. They have reasonable fitout workshop, and do a few LR bits and pieces.
The bumper (plastic fibre) comes off entirely from the D4 (landfill I guess); no chopping of the flares/guards, which I liked. Its standard with the foggies (more or less like the OEM ones), has fixing for 2 spotties and top aerial. BTW: SHWMO isnt a great fan of the aerial as it sits right in her centre stage, but....you get that in this business...
Mine is the black ripple powdercoat (seems tough as nails so far).

Only 3 downsides: parking sensors (on mine anyway) became too sensitive (rain drops set them off); slight acoustic hum-type feedback at about 50kph, but drops away either side very quickly; and it aint anywhere near cheap.
I set it up at last years camping show, which kept it somewhat under control (2,5+250 fitting).

The ECB site has some pics of a silver one. Let me know if you want some detail pics of mine; happy to post.

[elsey]

Opposite Lock supply a good, neat looking steel bull bar for the D4 that can be color coded to suit your vehicle if you so wish. That is the one that I have decided to fit to my vehicle.

Lou...

[Ivan]

Same here, went for the OL steel bar on my D3 V8. I decided to keep it black (car is Silver) but I could have had it colour coded. Looks very nice and uses the factory fog lamps.

Ivan

[Disco4SE]

Opposite Lock supply a good, neat looking steel bull bar for the D4 that can be color coded to suit your vehicle if you so wish. That is the one that I have decided to fit to my vehicle.

Lou...
Had mine powdercoated close to the same colour of my vehicle, then colour matched by my panel beater. This way, when a stone chips the bar, it is still powdercoated underneath.......something that you wont get with an ARB bar.
Cheers, Craig

[Stuart02]

Same here, went for the OL steel bar on my D3 V8. I decided to keep it black (car is Silver) but I could have had it colour coded. Looks very nice and uses the factory fog lamps.

Ivan

Are they actually ECB bars, supplied by OL?

[LGM]

ARB were not helpful. THe boys at Mannell Motors had to really harrangue them, but we got it sorted. The bar is great, just the liaison was lousy.
No debate over buying if it didn't fit. The guys just checked thoroughly first.
I bought package with a winch and lights and got a free Stihl chainsaw...

Drowell,

Armed with your info the boys from Central4wd in Perth have been in touch with Mannell Motors and were able to clarify what had to be done. Very little I gather. So it is all go for them to fit the ARB bar to my D4 HSE!
Your help has been great and is much appreciated!
LGM

[LGM]

After much ado (about nothing it seems) I now have an ARB colour matched bull bar fitted to my D4 HSE. As most who have been looking for a bull bar for their D4 HSE can attest, ARB have been saying it is not possible to fit their product to the HSE model D4. I did not want to go down the alloy bar path hence I have persisted and with the terrific help of others from this forum the persistance has paid off! Thanks Drowell for your help and thanks to Mannell Motors in Sydney for their time to discuss the fit with ARB Welshpool (Perth) and convince them that there was no problem.

It seems there was some engineering required to make the bar fit?

On discussion with the guy's at ARB in Welshpool they advised that after drilling the holes to install the front park sensors the engineering consisted of unbolting the standard front bumper arrangement and bolting on the ARB bull bar. Well there you go! I am happy, my insurer is happy but the roos in my area less so.

[bbyer]

ARB can now advertise that their bumper can be colour matched to the vehicle parking sensors, that is after they complete the "engineering" to drill the holes for the sensors.

After all is now in place, it is hard to figure out what the problem was. I can only presume that ARB only wants their bumpers mounted on Diesel powered other than LR's.

If it provides any consolation, over here ARB bumpers arrive with fully detailed instructions on how to install the bumper on RHD diesel D3's - market sensitivity is not a big strength I would conclude.

Well done - it is an achievement, (not the bumper install), but that ARB failed to keep you from succeeding.

[LGM]

Ta bbyer!
There is a little story that goes with the fitting but nothing to do with the engineering rather the logistics of obtain a correctly coloured bar.
Good for conversation over many beers!

[discotwinturbo]

Are they actually ECB bars, supplied by OL?

I don't think so. When I was doing some research ecb told me they only make alloy bars. OL is steel. I have hit too many Roos of the years. First hit was with an alloy...wrecked the bar. 3 since then with steel, and only very minor damage.

[rod@rnrstrata.com.au]

Hi, I am new here today.

Has anyone heard whether a 2014 Discovery nudge bar is available in Oz as yet.
Everyone I have spoken with at the 4x4 shops tells me they haven't been tested and certified in Australia as yet.
Does anyone know more than this please.
Rgds Rod

[Redback]

I don't think so. When I was doing some research ecb told me they only make alloy bars. OL is steel. I have hit too many Roos of the years. First hit was with an alloy...wrecked the bar. 3 since then with steel, and only very minor damage.

OL Bars used to be made by Outback Accessories in WA, now made in Thailand??

ECB do make a steel bar for the D3 and early D4s, probably not the best bar though, as it fits around the front bumper(bumper is not removed) so would be mounted the same way as a nudge bar I would imagine.

Our D4 has the OL Bar, already saved us with an Emu strike, big male, anyway, I think the OL bar is better finished, with trim around the fog lights, indicaters are part of the bar, not just bolted in behind it, parking sensors already there on all bars just in case you have parking sensors, just a better thought out bar I think.

Baz.

[LRHybrid100]

The new bar for the 2014 Disco is out - I drive past Alto's in Artarmon most days and they have some ex JLR executive 2014 vehicles with new bars.

HTH

[tiddy]

The new bar for the 2014 Disco is out - I drive past Alto's in Artarmon most days and they have some ex JLR executive 2014 vehicles with new bars.

HTH

Any chance of a pic or two??

[Redback]

Any chance of a pic or two??

It's FUGLY, useless and $4000;)

Baz.

[BMKal]

It's UGLY, useless and $4000;)

Baz.

Yep ...................... I've been seeing one regularly on the way home from work in the afternoons. It's been around for a while now. Completely spoils the look of the front end of the Disco in my opinion. :toilet:

And would probably cause more damage to the front of the vehicle in the event of impact with anything substantial than having no bar at all fitted. ;)

Didn't know the price ..................... :o

[Luther1960]

Got an email today
"Land Rover Bull Bar is being offered at a special price of just $2,675 fitted"
Too bad I feel it tends to make a Disco look down market. If I was living in the outback I would fit one though.

[wbowner]

87328


This is from email.

[Tombie]

Got an email today
"Land Rover Bull Bar is being offered at a special price of just $2,675 fitted"
Too bad I feel it tends to make a Disco look down market. If I was living in the outback I would fit one though.


If you were living or venturing "out back" you wouldn't want that shiny POS on the front :D

[Piddler]

If you were living or venturing "out back" you wouldn't want that shiny POS on the front :D


I wouldn't even want it in the driveway let alone out back Tombie :wasntme:

[Roulston]

Hi, I am new here today.

Has anyone heard whether a 2014 Discovery nudge bar is available in Oz as yet.
Everyone I have spoken with at the 4x4 shops tells me they haven't been tested and certified in Australia as yet.
Does anyone know more than this please.
Rgds Rod

I received a special offer from LRA this week for the new bar as follows. I only wish it was available when I bought the car three weeks ago and I could have rolled it into the deal. Finding $2700 cash right now it not an option. Though I can't see if ti takes a winch.

The offer is as follows:


A special offer, just in time for Christmas holidays.


If you're heading out of town for your holidays, this could be a sensible time to invest in a Bull Bar for your Discovery.

More like a necessity than an accessory, the Land Rover Discovery Bull Bar is a strong aluminium alloy construction, crash-tested to comply with all Australian design requirements. It's factory approved and designed to work in conjunction with Discovery's Airbag System, Parking Sensor and Surround Camera Systems.

Available for Discovery 4 up to 2013 model year and for Discovery from 2014 model year, the genuine Land Rover Bull Bar is being offered at a special price of just $2,675 fitted. This represents a significant saving compared with the normal RRP plus fitment.

But hurry, as this limited offer closes on Wednesday, 31 December 2014 or while stocks last.

3 ways to get your new Bull Bar fitted:

■ Email us now and we will arrange for a Land Rover dealer to contact you for a fitting appointment; or

■ Call Land Rover Customer Service on 1800 625 642 and we will arrange for your preferred dealer to contact you; or

■ Find My Nearest Dealer and contact them directly.

Tony

[LRHybrid100]

I received a special offer from LRA this week for the new bar as follows. I only wish it was available when I bought the car three weeks ago and I could have rolled it into the deal. Finding $2700 cash right now it not an option. Though I can't see if ti takes a winch.



You should still be able to roll it into your finance - talk to your dealer.

Important thing is if any accessories are purchased within 1 month of first delivery then they are covered by the factory 3 year warranty!

[Redback]

I received a special offer from LRA this week for the new bar as follows. I only wish it was available when I bought the car three weeks ago and I could have rolled it into the deal. Finding $2700 cash right now it not an option. Though I can't see if ti takes a winch.

The offer is as follows:


A special offer, just in time for Christmas holidays.


If you're heading out of town for your holidays, this could be a sensible time to invest in a Bull Bar for your Discovery.

More like a necessity than an accessory, the Land Rover Discovery Bull Bar is a strong aluminium alloy construction, crash-tested to comply with all Australian design requirements. It's factory approved and designed to work in conjunction with Discovery's Airbag System, Parking Sensor and Surround Camera Systems.

Available for Discovery 4 up to 2013 model year and for Discovery from 2014 model year, the genuine Land Rover Bull Bar is being offered at a special price of just $2,675 fitted. This represents a significant saving compared with the normal RRP plus fitment.

But hurry, as this limited offer closes on Wednesday, 31 December 2014 or while stocks last.

3 ways to get your new Bull Bar fitted:

■ Email us now and we will arrange for a Land Rover dealer to contact you for a fitting appointment; or

■ Call Land Rover Customer Service on 1800 625 642 and we will arrange for your preferred dealer to contact you; or

■ Find My Nearest Dealer and contact them directly.

Tony

It's obvious you like the look of this bullbar and that's fine as everyone has different tastes, and I'm not going to tell not to buy it as that is your choice, and I must admit it's a fair whack off the RRP, but, what I will say is, I'll garrantee, if you hit a Kangaroo with the LR Bullbar, you'll do more damage to the bar and your car than you would with a steel bullbar or even a smart bar and your trip will be over.

Alloy bullbars are useless against animal strikes and are unrepairable.

Baz.

[wbowner]

Baz
Not disagreeing as do not know but a lot of people have the ecb bar
Are you talking from direct experience or your perception

Once again I do not know
Richard

[jon3950]

Not disagreeing as do not know but a lot of people have the ecb bar
Are you talking from direct experience or your perception

Material is one thing, but for me it is also the design. I'm not a fan of alloy bars, but the ECB looks well designed - large section hoops with a decent gap between them and the front of the vehicle, similar in design to ARB and OL bars.

The LR bar sits very close to the front of the vehicle and the top of the main hoop is actually bolted to the top of the radiator support panel. If it needs that connection for it's structural integrity it cannot be good. Also look at the section sizes of the outer hoops and the design of the main hoop. I haven't had a good look at the main mounting points, but considering it is made of light alloy and sits over the bumper I wouldn't expect them to be all that robust.

If you like the look of it (is there a vomit icon?), then go for it, but don't expect it to provide any protection against a decent animal strike. I would place it in the category of the old brush bars they used to fit to the D1s and D2s.

Cheers,
Jon

[Redback]

Baz
Not disagreeing as do not know but a lot of people have the ecb bar
Are you talking from direct experience or your perception

Once again I do not know
Richard

Yes I've seen a few over the years, can't tell you what brand they were, but they were stuffed and enough damage that the cars were as well.

To be honest the chances of an animal strike are low, I've had only 2 over the years(not counting birds) an Emu and a kangaroo and I can't count the roo really as it hit me in the drivers door:twisted:

I try not to travel when they are at the're most active and if you can't avoid those times I tend to adjust my speed and am a little more aware, still the amount of near misses I've had, and I've had quite a few, I just wouldn't risk not having a steel bar, the whole point of a bullbar is to avoid damage to the vehical and the bar, even if the car isn't damaged, the alloy bar certainly will be.

Baz.

[wbowner]

Yes I've seen a few over the years, can't tell you what brand they were, but they were stuffed and enough damage that the cars were as well.

To be honest the chances of an animal strike are low, I've had only 2 over the years(not counting birds) an Emu and a kangaroo and I can't count the roo really as it hit me in the drivers door:twisted:

I try not to travel when they are at the're most active and if you can't avoid those times I tend to adjust my speed and am a little more aware, still the amount of near misses I've had, and I've had quite a few, I just wouldn't risk not having a steel bar, the whole point of a bullbar is to avoid damage to the vehical and the bar, even if the car isn't damaged, the alloy bar certainly will be.

Baz.
Thanks Baz

After posting I did a bit of hunting around as well
Some people have hit Roos with ecb alloy bar without damage

General consensus is if traveling at any speed then steel bar is the best option

Rich

[Tombie]

I went 2 decades without hitting anything bigger than a fox..

Then in the last 5 years I'd suggest I've hit close on 40-50 Kangaroos, 3 Emus and at slow speed - a cow!

[wbowner]

I went 2 decades without hitting anything bigger than a fox..

Then in the last 5 years I'd suggest I've hit close on 40-50 Kangaroos, 3 Emus and at slow speed - a cow!

Bloody hell are you looking for them😁

Animal rights will be after you

Rich

[Redback]

Thanks Baz

After posting I did a bit of hunting around as well
Some people have hit Roos with ecb alloy bar without damage

General consensus is if traveling at any speed then steel bar is the best option

Rich

That says a lot for the ECB bars strength, I've only ever seen one ECB bar up close, I noticed they mount in front of the factory bumper, I would have thought this would take away clearence and approach angle as the mounting points would go under the bumper, but not having a really close look I couldn't say.

Most of the damaged alloy bars I've seen are those factory Nissan and Toyota jobs, they make a right mess after a roo strike.

Baz.

[Graeme]

I've only ever seen one ECB bar up close, I noticed they mount in front of the factory bumper, I would have thought this would take away clearence and approach angle as the mounting points would go under the bumper, but not having a really close look I couldn't say.I wonder if you mean they protrude further forward than the factory bumper because that may be the case on the D4. The ECB bar on my D4 certainly does not mount in front of the factory bumper and I doubt it decreases the approach angle either. It's lower mounts are higher than the original bumper.

ARB was too slow at releasing a D4 bar and an ECB alloy bar was going to do a lot better job of keeping the vehicle mobile after a strike than no bar at all. I waited too long to get a bar for my D2 and paid the price.

[Redback]

I wonder if you mean they protrude further forward than the factory bumper because that may be the case on the D4. The ECB bar on my D4 certainly does not mount in front of the factory bumper and I doubt it decreases the approach angle either. It's lower mounts are higher than the original bumper.

ARB was too slow at releasing a D4 bar and an ECB alloy bar was going to do a lot better job of keeping the vehicle mobile after a strike than no bar at all. I waited too long to get a bar for my D2 and paid the price.

Maybe it wasn't an ECB bar that I saw, it was at a LROC training day, this bar was in front of the original bumper, I know cause commented on it to the guy about it, could have sworn it was an ECB.

EDIT, OK I just had a look on their website, it's the wheel arch flare that remains untouched, my bad, appoligies to ECB:angel:

Baz.

[Tombie]

Bloody hell are you looking for them[emoji16]



Animal rights will be after you



Rich


Was running 3,200km a week.

Mostly offroad with some Stuart Highway in the mix...

Plenty to see and hit out there!

[AnD3rew]

My main concern apart from the horrible looks (but I admit that is a personal thing) is not so much the material of the Land Rover bar but the design. When you look at it closely as someone else has mentioned it is just too close to the grille and bonnet and is nit strongly enough mounted and constructed. Of you hit a decent roo you will be replacing the bar and repairing the grille and bonnet.

Maybe it would do enough that it would protect the radiator and intercooler enough hat you could keep going, I don't know, but I wouldn't count on it.

For me, if I am going to spend that kind of cash I want to be pretty sure it is doing something, otherwise leave your front end clean and save the bucks.

[tiddy]

Funny how when I was a young bloke, & thats possibly longer ago than I care to think about & working in the NW of WA..Goldsworthy and a couple of stations around Mingenew actually, in those days the purpose of a Roo bar as they were called then was to simply protect the radiator & keeping the car drivable.

Seems now it has to stop almost any damage to the frontal area completely. The LR bar although not the greatest looking, would I think do what it is supposed to do & protect the radiator from a skippy strike, however if it was used as a ball bar I don't think any bar would make the slightest difference, you would have one seriously buggered vehicle.

I assume it also weighs a considerable amount less than a steel bar as well, that must be a benefit over the normal steel bar.

Just my opinion though

[Redback]

Funny how when I was a young bloke, & thats possibly longer ago than I care to think about & working in the NW of WA..Goldsworthy and a couple of stations around Mingenew actually, in those days the purpose of a Roo bar as they were called then was to simply protect the radiator & keeping the car drivable.

Seems now it has to stop almost any damage to the frontal area completely. The LR bar although not the greatest looking, would I think do what it is supposed to do & protect the radiator from a skippy strike, however if it was used as a ball bar I don't think any bar would make the slightest difference, you would have one seriously buggered vehicle.

I assume it also weighs a considerable amount less than a steel bar as well, that must be a benefit over the normal steel bar.

Just my opinion though

I'm told, it's not that much lighter than the ARB steel Bar, which is 55kg, it was mentioned here I think from memory.

Baz.

[Tombie]

Smacking a 4' Euro and having to do $5k in repairs is hardly a benefit to having a piece of tin foil up front.

A good bar will take the hit with little to zero damage to panels and bar..

As an example, my ARB on the D2 took a 6' Red at 100kmh+ and barely had a scar..

Chassis etc all were fine. Only the radiator being 10 years old and flexing in its mount caused a problem (unnoticed leak at tank join from the jolt through the vehicle) which lead to coolant loss and failure 400km later.

The D4 bar has deflected a few smaller ones without a mark.

[BMKal]

That says a lot for the ECB bars strength, I've only ever seen one ECB bar up close, I noticed they mount in front of the factory bumper, I would have thought this would take away clearence and approach angle as the mounting points would go under the bumper, but not having a really close look I couldn't say.

Most of the damaged alloy bars I've seen are those factory Nissan and Toyota jobs, they make a right mess after a roo strike.

Baz.

My old D2 has an ECB alloy bar on it (was on it when I bought it). Has cleaned up quite a few roos since I've had it and still no sign of damage to either the bar or the vehicle. It doesn't mount in front of the factory bumper, but replaces it - same arrangement as the ARB steel bar.

Before the D2 I had a D1 with a "Bocar" alloy bar on it -very similar design to the ECB. It also cleaned up a few roos with no damage apparent.

Not sure how the ECB bar for the D4 is mounted - haven't seen one.

I have an ARB steel bar on the D4 - because I ordered it new myself. I would always order a decent steel bar over alloy, because I believe them to be stronger. However, on the two Disco's that I've had which were fitted with decent alloy bars when I bought them - I've seen no real reason to discount a well made alloy bar either.

The flimsy piece of (alloy) crap that was fitted to my 2 door RRC when I bought it on the other hand was so obviously useless that I took it off and threw it away. :o

Don't really know how good, bad or otherwise the LR bar offered for the D4 is. But I've had a look at a couple close up. Personally I don't like the look of them at all - and I believe that they are mounted too close to the vehicle to offer any real protection in an impact with a roo at any reasonable speed.

[Roulston]

I am not disregarding the protection advantage of steel an the weight disadvantage, but what I like about the factory unit is that there would never be any doubt over insurance as well as compatibility with sensors etc.

I have only hit three roos and every occasion they were into the side of the car and a bar would not have helped. The only reason for a bar, in MY context, is to mount things on, lights, antenna, winch, and to protect from brush rather than animal hits. The closest my last bar, on a defender, came to an animal was using the winch to hang a deer via a tree branch for butchering.

I still have not seen evidence that the LR bar can accept a winch.

[Simple]

Saw the colour coded ARB Bar on a 2014 model yesterday. Looks very good. Anyone heard if ECB or others have a decent nudge bar for the model?

[dav34e]

My D4 was a dealer demo and came with the factory bar, and to be honest if it wasn't for the deal I got I'd have never gone with a car with the LR bar nor ever ordered it as an option. However..

The looks have grown on me. The top profile can only just be seen from inside making it not distracting but still gives a good visual boundary for navigating very close to obstacles, without tapping them.

The close profile reduces any additional length which suits my tight garage. An inch more and I'd be removing the tow ball to close the door and would have no hope of ever fitting a wheel carrier.

Certainly not as strong as steel, but its close fit design seems more to add strength to the existing bumper to improve impact characteristics though retain factory performance, spec and function.

It protects the lights and is lighter than steel, though the lack of proper antenna mounting plane or winch access is a big surprise!

Likewise it covers the front tow hook. Though I guess the fact the plastic cover is removable keeps it ADR friendly.

Also surprising was the screws used all rusted after the first visit to the beach. At servicing they rubbed off the surface rust and painted them sayign they'll order some staino screws if it happens again. Minor point but again makes you wonder if the designers actually had any consideration for off-roading when they were clicking their mouse buttons.

No surprise its been such a controversial option. I've come around though. If I did regular dawn/dusk country driving my opinion would be different, but sadly for most disco owners there's a lot more suburban and city use of the vehicle so therefor a balance of safety and performance takes priority over getting the vehicle home.

I'd much rather have a crumple zone in the event I drive into a solid object at the speed limit or above, or worse a head on collision. Happy to incur extra damage and let insurance deal with the repair than drive a slab of steel through the cabin of another car.

The steel / allow debate will go on forever. They probably should have released a more serious bar for those who genuinely need it, and leave those who don't with the stock bumper. Perhaps LR thought from a sales point they could only compete in the alloy market, though that wisdom was lost with the initial exorbitant price tag..

Anyway, for now I'll continue to proudly sport my LR bar (until a minor accident causes major damage and I start cursing LR for it).

[jon3950]

One thing I have noticed recently is how similar in design it is to the genuine Toyota ones you now see on Cruisers and Prados. Maybe from the same manufacturer?

Cheers,
Jon

[ChrisBirre]

I am new to the world of Land Rover (converted from Toyota series 80 and series 70) so please be patient with my ignorance. Looking for a bull bar for my D4, seems other than Land Rover nothing around yet. Can anyone help? Looking for winch provision.

[lpj]

I am new to the world of Land Rover (converted from Toyota series 80 and series 70) so please be patient with my ignorance. Looking for a bull bar for my D4, seems other than Land Rover nothing around yet. Can anyone help? Looking for winch provision.

Welcome.

I have seen plenty of D4's with a bullbars so they must exist- although I don't need one myself.

ARB/TJM etc should point you in the right direction.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=arb+bullbar+discovery+4&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=925&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iZu9VKyHIYyZyASFjIKgAw&ved=0CCgQsAQ

[JamesH]

Hi and welcome.

ARB and ORE have steel bars. These companies have been upgrading the bars for the later model D4s. There has been a history of bars not working well with HSE models due to the parking assist alarms.

I have a winch-able ARB bar on my SE which had no front sensors so Ive never had any trouble.

cheers

[rufusking]

Are you after a bar for a MY14 or one of the earlier years. MY14's are still in development but I believe a recent post on here will show up someone who has already gone had a bar fitted to a MY14. For earlier years ARB, OL, ECB all make them for the D4 with or without winch provision.


Read through this thread for MY14
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/208372-bullbar-2014-d4-5.html

[winaje]

Opposite Lock, $1642 list price, black without replacement fog lights, without fitting
Discovery 4 Premium Post Bar w/sensors | Steel Bars | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/bullbars/discovery-4-premium-post-bar-wsensors)
Approx $2300 fitted with lights and colour coded. Steel. Winch mount integral to the bar.

[gossamer]

White D4 bar in the For sale section :eek:

[LandyAndy]

I have an Aug 2014 delivered MY14,so the new shape.
Opposite Lock winch bar $3000 fitted.Exras incleded colour coding,OL Fog Lights and early D4 headlight washers.The UHF antenna and Fyrylyts were fitted by me.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/574.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/001_zpsae23929d.jpg.html)

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Andrew

[wbowner]

Just got an email from LRA advertising their bull bar again at the reduced rte of $2675 fitted.

Seems , according to the email, that there was such demand they have extended reduced sale.

This could mean know one bought one or they have been in high demand as they say.

Did any one get one fitted.

Before we go on to how it looks. I don't mnd the looks as I reckon the LR is a fairly ugly looking beast any way and I did not buy it because it looks good.

I would be more concerned over how effective they are. So are there any real world experiences of them.

Richard

[rijidij]

I had a customer's car in on the weekend to have a rear wheel carrier fitted, D4 MY14 with the new Land Rover bull bar. Yes, the bar is shiny and blingy, but I think it suited the white D4 very well. It looks better in the flesh than in pictures.
He also wanted to fit some decent driving lights to the bull bar, but the two holes provided were too close to the grille to allow a larger size light, so we took some measurements and got a mounting bracket laser cut from 3mm solid stainless steel to match the look of the bar. It mounts to the original holes in the bull bar, although we drilled them out to allow a 10mm bolt to be used. The original size of the two holes was approx 9mm for some strange 'Land Rover reasoning' :D

The hole pattern in the bracket is to suit the large Light Force brand lights, but others would be able to utilise the same holes I'm sure.

This was a one off bracket, but if there is any interest I can easily have more cut and offer them in the vendors section as a product.

Cheers, Murray

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[jonesfam]

By the look of those pics the lights sit out in front of the bar,
I thought that was illegal?
Won't they be the first thing to get smashed?
Just asking.
Jonesfam

[Stuartpres]

Hello guys
Just wondering if any one can help me
I just brought a genuine d4 LR bull bar , and I am not sure of the cutting of the old bumper bar I have to do when fitting the genuine bull bar
I was wondering if anyone has any information on this bull bar installation
Please thank you

[cjc_td5]

Did you buy it from a dealer? If so, surely they would have access to some fitting instructions?

[rijidij]

Hello guys
Just wondering if any one can help me
I just brought a genuine d4 LR bull bar , and I am not sure of the cutting of the old bumper bar I have to do when fitting the genuine bull bar
I was wondering if anyone has any information on this bull bar installation
Please thank you

Could you possibly scan the installation instructions and post them here, or if anyone has a link to the instructions online it might make it easier for someone to offer advise.

Cheers, Murray

[Stuartpres]

Hello guys
No I brought it 2nd hand , it's in great condition,
I have tried calling Land Rover , but with no luck these guys hardly know a thing
About the cars they sell these days ,
I would like it some one has photos of the genuine bull bar fitted to the there d4
And if they could get some photos under the car and see how much of the bumper bar has been cut off

[cjc_td5]

Anyone got a current Topix subscription that could have a look if there are instructions in the accessories fitting area.

[AnD3rew]

I had a customer's car in on the weekend to have a rear wheel carrier fitted, D4 MY14 with the new Land Rover bull bar. Yes, the bar is shiny and blingy, but I think it suited the white D4 very well. It looks better in the flesh than in pictures.
He also wanted to fit some decent driving lights to the bull bar, but the two holes provided were too close to the grille to allow a larger size light, so we took some measurements and got a mounting bracket laser cut from 3mm solid stainless steel to match the look of the bar. It mounts to the original holes in the bull bar, although we drilled them out to allow a 10mm bolt to be used. The original size of the two holes was approx 9mm for some strange 'Land Rover reasoning' :D

The hole pattern in the bracket is to suit the large Light Force brand lights, but others would be able to utilise the same holes I'm sure.

This was a one off bracket, but if there is any interest I can easily have more cut and offer them in the vendors section as a product.

Cheers, Murray



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/02/636.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/D4%20Driving%20light%20Bracket/D4-Driving-Lights_Bkt_zps46bdfc7d.jpg.html)

Neat job, but almost certain this bracket would be illegal.

[Mungus]

Not exactly sure if this is what you are after (i.e. year, model etc..), but nonetheless have a squiz at this. It is a pdf around 8MB, so I have pasted a dropbox link. Hope it works!


https://www.dropbox.com/s/0wolecwbmdgxids/LAF0317_2E%20-%20Front%20Protection%20Bumper.pdf'dl=0


Cheers,
Mungus

[jon3950]

Interesting. They've changed the shape of the uprights on the MY14 version. These ones come pre-dented, must have been interfering with the high beam.

Makes it look even uglier.

Cheers,
Jon

[cjc_td5]

Interesting. They've changed the shape of the uprights on the MY14 version. These ones come pre-dented, must have been interfering with the high beam.

Makes it look even uglier.

Cheers,
Jon

They seem to have changed it quite a bit to suit the MY14. As you said the uprights have changed profile, it seems to suit the light spread. The fog lights and light washers have also changed, and they appear to also use a specific filler panel (in black) below the headlights rather than using the top of the original bumper in body colour).

Cheers,
Chris

[Disco4SE]

Sorry guys, but that has to be the ugliest bulbar I have seen for a while. Completely spoils the frontal look of the D4.

Well, someone had to say it....:toilet:

[Wilesy]

Sorry guys, but that has to be the ugliest bulbar I have seen for a while. Completely spoils the frontal look of the D4.

Well, someone had to say it....:toilet:


I totally Agree

[Stuartpres]

thank you
that was what i have been looking for thank you heaps for you drop box

[Stuartpres]

well i am very happy with the bull bar
i think it looks great

[cjc_td5]

thank you
that was what i have been looking for thank you heaps for you drop box

Just be careful as to what model bar you have. It looks like the instructions posted are for the current model bar as it appears to have the changed fog lights and a separate filler panel below the lights. I seem to recall that the earlier model bars used a trimmed down existing bumper bar to fill the gap below the lights.


well i am very happy with the bull bar
i think it looks great

Each to their own I say. The genuine bar does have some positive aspects to it, (weight being one), if it works for you, go for it!

Cheers,

[Stuartpres]

yea your right it does use the old bumper bar
just trim the top off the old bumper bar
and it more or less sits in a channel behind the new bull bar
thr bull bar i got is off a 2010 model HSE and my d4 is a 2010 HSE
the fitting guide looks to be the same
i will put some photos up when done :)

[Tombie]

I had a customer's car in on the weekend to have a rear wheel carrier fitted, D4 MY14 with the new Land Rover bull bar. Yes, the bar is shiny and blingy, but I think it suited the white D4 very well. It looks better in the flesh than in pictures.

He also wanted to fit some decent driving lights to the bull bar, but the two holes provided were too close to the grille to allow a larger size light, so we took some measurements and got a mounting bracket laser cut from 3mm solid stainless steel to match the look of the bar. It mounts to the original holes in the bull bar, although we drilled them out to allow a 10mm bolt to be used. The original size of the two holes was approx 9mm for some strange 'Land Rover reasoning' :D



The hole pattern in the bracket is to suit the large Light Force brand lights, but others would be able to utilise the same holes I'm sure.



This was a one off bracket, but if there is any interest I can easily have more cut and offer them in the vendors section as a product.



Cheers, Murray



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/02/635.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/D4%20Driving%20light%20Bracket/D4-Driving-Lights-1_zps9387d455.jpg.html)



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Got to hurt buying those lights from Light Farce for the price they charge when you can import direct for $350...

What's worse is they're nigh on hopeless for distance...

Bracket is nicely done.

[Tombie]

Each to their own I say. The genuine bar does have some positive aspects to it, (weight being one), if it works for you, go for it!



Cheers,


Absolutely... Although I doubt I'd be happy I saved 12kg when the front end is crushed by a Roo.

Suited to urban triangle with the occasional adventure outside the metropolitan area.

[cjc_td5]

Hello guys
Just wondering if any one can help me
I just brought a genuine d4 LR bull bar , and I am not sure of the cutting of the old bumper bar I have to do when fitting the genuine bull bar
I was wondering if anyone has any information on this bull bar installation
Please thank you

Hi mate.
Do you recon you could take a couple of photos of the inside of the LR bar and post them up here? I would be interested to see what they look like behind the front facade re strength, mounting points etc.

Cheers,
Chris

[LandyAndy]

I still cant like the look of those bars.However,you have done ane awesome job of the light mounts.WELL DONE:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[loanrangie]

Man that is fugly , there is a white arb non winch bar on gumtree for $500 that would be my pick.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using AULRO mobile app

[Stuartpres]

Hi mate.
Do you recon you could take a couple of photos of the inside of the LR bar and post them up here? I would be interested to see what they look like behind the front facade re strength, mounting points etc.

Cheers,
Chris

Sure here is a few photos

[jon3950]

Thanks for the photo. My first thought is that it hasn't added much strength to the original bumper bar. Looks like they are still using the original bumper re-inforcement to provide the bulk of the strength. I would expect the bar would only be attached in a couple of places so the 2 bits would act as separate beams instead of one structure, thereby reducing its strength.

Some added strength along the top edge of the bumper, but I would expect any animal striking in this area to just be deflected up into the grille and I don't think the uprights and top loop would provide much protection, especially given it is attached to the top of the radiator support panel.

It would probably provide some added protection for small impacts, like a wallaby, but really I think the standard bumper would be adequate for that anyway.

Overall I would suggest the additional weight would not be worth it for the minor increase in protection.

Just my opinion of course, but I think if you are going to fit a bar, fit one that will protect from a decent impact so that at least you're not dragging around all that extra weight for nothing.

Cheers,
Jon

[jon3950]

Just to add a little more to the above, where a design like the ARB/OL style would get a lot of its strength from is the depth of the section - ie the distance from the front of the bar to the back.

The ARB/OL blade is a nice deep channel section, whereas this design is relatively flat.

Cheers,
Jon

[Melbourne Park]

I spoke to ARB at the Melbourne (Showgrounds) caravan show this last weekend (and Bought a compressor package and some of those sand track gizmos), and I queried their bull bar. They said for a LR D4, that their bull bar did not support front parkers (the front devices that sound a distance warning).

I could not take the goods I paid for at the show due to an injury, so I picked them up at their Brighton store (which is owned by ARB ) .

They said (at the store) that now their bull bar for a D4, also handled the parkers.

Their solution is to remove the kit from the D4's bumper bar, and place it into the ARB steel bull bar. Hence the wiring etc etc is standard D4 HSE or option pack.

Their only problem though IMO, is that the original bumper cannot be re-installed, because they must hack into parts of the original bumper.

I think their painted price is a bit under $2,400 installed.

I also queried on rear differentials.

They said there still is not a rear diff available. But they do have a front air locker for a D4 (and I guess a D3).

[Tombie]

Nothing new there :)

[cjc_td5]

I spoke to ARB at the Melbourne (Showgrounds) caravan show this last weekend (and Bought a compressor package and some of those sand track gizmos), and I queried their bull bar. They said for a LR D4, that their bull bar did not support front parkers (the front devices that sound a distance warning).

I could not take the goods I paid for at the show due to an injury, so I picked them up at their Brighton store (which is owned by ARB ) .

They said (at the store) that now their bull bar for a D4, also handled the parkers.

Their solution is to remove the kit from the D4's bumper bar, and place it into the ARB steel bull bar. Hence the wiring etc etc is standard D4 HSE or option pack.

Their only problem though IMO, is that the original bumper cannot be re-installed, because they must hack into parts of the original bumper.

I think their painted price is a bit under $2,400 installed.

I also queried on rear differentials.

They said there still is not a rear diff available. But they do have a front air locker for a D4 (and I guess a D3).

Are they saying that they can fit to a MY14 D4? I don't have front sensors etc, but up until now ARB have said that their bar will not fit a MY14, hence people looking at all options.

Cheers,
Chris

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[Melbourne Park]

Are they saying that they can fit to a MY14 D4? I don't have front sensors etc, but up until now ARB have said that their bar will not fit a MY14, hence people looking at all options.

Cheers,
Chris


I did not order one, so I cannot be certain. But the D4 / 2014 was discussed.

While the 2014 has a bit different bumper, they remove all that, and behind, I'd have thought the vehicle is just the same ...

If your buying, let us know. I can call tomorrow though and post the answer.

Cheers
MP

[catch-22]

This is an old thread but bar related.

It looks to me that the Factory BB is the only one that wraps around the sides enough to allow the corner active lights to shine where they're supposed to.

[Mungus]

Nnnooo, don't say that! I love my cornering headlights. Can those with an ARB bar and cornering headlights comment on how bad it is please? Or anyone with an ARB bar measure out from the outer edge of the headlight and also across to the outer post and I'll hold a stick there to have a look.

[LGM]

Earlier model (2011) ARB bar and the cornering lights work fine for me!

[catch-22]

Niccccceeee. Got any more photos of the bar on your car?

[LGM]

Another picture as requested...

[AndrewM]

Earlier model (2011) ARB bar and the cornering lights work fine for me!
Ditto - ARB on D3 2008 HSE with adaptive headlights works just fine!

[Scallywag]

Have just had the new 2016 Opposite Lock steel bullbar installed on the Discovery 4 (MY2015). They look better than the previous OL model however are now made in South Africa. Craftsmanship not the best. Some very visible weld imperfections and grinding marks. The 3 aerial lugs are not straight so the UHF aerial I now have doesn't stand vertically. The previous (Australian made) OL steel bars were better made but had those less than desirable rubber fillers beneath the headlights. ARB has just announced a new 2016 Summit Bar for the Discovery 4 will be available from July 2016. For those still "on the fence", might be worth holding off on the OL bar until the ARB units get released. The Summit bars are Made in Australia and those I've seen (eg: made for the Ford Ranger) look far better manufactured. Photos attached.

[rijidij]

.................The 3 aerial lugs are not straight so the UHF aerial I now have doesn't stand vertically.......................

There is no excuse for things not being straight on something that's made in multiples, they should be using a jig, so there should be no room for error.
Even I have a jig for the small number of bull bars I make, you just can't do each one by hand.

Cheers, Murray

[strydes]

Hi Scallywag, mind if I ask which shop?

I have spoken to the guys at Welshpool based on talking with a forum member here about how his install went and I have to say they were excellent (at pre-sales anyway!). I got there at 10 minutes to 5 on a Friday and they happily chatted to me about the changes in the bar and how they do the D4 installs till well after closing time. Even took the time to call the guys at the Caravan and camping show to make sure the pricing they quoted was in line with the 'specials' that were being offered there.

Waiting for ARB in July unfortunately is too late for me, need to get it done in the next 3 weeks.

[Scallywag]

Hi strydes, install was done by OL Welshpool a few months back. The aerial only went on recently which is when the magnitude of the issue became apparent. Even the auto electrician commented on how bad it was.

OL Welshpool did a good install but the problem is the quality of the bar fabrication itself back in South Africa. The aerial lugs were not welded on straight and there is no easy fix (remove bar, cut-off wonky aerial lugs, re-weld, re-powder coat ? Really ? What a mess that would make !!). It's a nicer looking bar than the older OL one but the metal plate they use to make it is now thinner and the powder coating not as good. Compared to the new ARB Summit Bars I've seen for the new LC 200 series and Ford Ranger, the OL fabrication and surface finish falls well short. But I was in the same boat as you now seem to be on timing and couldn't wait for the ARB. I'm doing the Holland Track next week with 3 other Discoveries so had to get what I could.

[BushDisco]

In the market for a new Disco - HSE and called ARB in Kilsyth to confirm availability for a front bar. They advised the new bar is in final stages of development but could / would not specify release date.

Guess If I am going to order in the next month I am going to have to do so in the faith that ARB will actually produce the bar.

In the same vain what are the recommendations for the best brand of dual battery tray/controller/in-cab gauge?

[l00kin4]

In the market for a new Disco - HSE and called ARB in Kilsyth to confirm availability for a front bar. They advised the new bar is in final stages of development but could / would not specify release date.

In the same vain what are the recommendations for the best brand of dual battery tray/controller/in-cab gauge?


Have a look in the FAQ (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/93220-aulro-discovery-3-4-rrs-faq.html) - there's a swag of great info there. Dual battery - get a Traxide kit. Tim is on here (drivesafe) - brilliant kit, easy to install, works perfectly and Tim is the most helpful vendor you could ever come across.


David

[DrOsteo]

Wondering if anyone has pics of the new bar ARB is producing for the 2016 D4? Whether it will look better than the OL bar? Have only ever had ARB in the past but need to get something fitted prior to mid August.

[LandyAndy]

Im really happy with my OL bar.I have the MY14 update,the OL bar is the pre MY13 bar.The later bar has raked uprights to match the headlight profile.
ARB promised me and promised me that there was a MY14 bar due out when I bought the D4 new,I visited them the day I took delivery!!!!.In the end I cancelled my order.I dont believe that MY14 ARB bar has been released yet:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/529.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/20160515_133332_zpstvnmlmgk.jpg.html)
Andrew

[Mungus]

Wondering if anyone has pics of the new bar ARB is producing for the 2016 D4? Whether it will look better than the OL bar? Have only ever had ARB in the past but need to get something fitted prior to mid August.


Initially I was told it would look exactly the same as their existing bar; however most recent discussions are that it will be one of their Summit bars. Check their website for pic. Last contact with them a month or two ago confirmed vehicle face scan has been done, with design and production usually taking a few months. I have ordered one through local branch and am hoping for a July release, but not holding my breath. Fingers crossed you and I will have one prior to mid August.

[Stotty Monster]

Wondering if anyone has pics of the new bar ARB is producing for the 2016 D4? Whether it will look better than the OL bar? Have only ever had ARB in the past but need to get something fitted prior to mid August.

Hi DrOsteo,
He is a picture of the soon to be released bar, around third quarter this year.

Cheers Stotty Monster

[DrOsteo]

Bugger. It looks great. Am definitely going to need one fitted before my trip to Fraser in August. May have to settle for an OL bar.

[winaje]

Was in at OL in Nunawading, Melbourne just now, talking with Torin, who is well placed to know what's going on etc. He sent me a couple of pics of the current 2015- bar fitted recently to a new D4.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/914.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/26180/title/resized-20160420-132914/cat/1414)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/915.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/26181/title/resized-20160421-085403/cat/1414)

[Nicky]

[QUOTE=winaje;2541176]Was in at OL in Nunawading, Melbourne just now, talking with Torin, who is well placed to know what's going on etc. He sent me a couple of pics of the current 2015- bar fitted recently to a new D4.

So are you OL, ARB, or nothing?

[winaje]

So are you OL, ARB, or nothing?
I have a D4 OL bar fitted to my D3

[Stuart02]

Bugger. It looks great. Am definitely going to need one fitted before my trip to Fraser in August. May have to settle for an OL bar.

Are you fitting a winch? Wouldn't think a bar was essential for Fraser Is otherwise... maybe even a liability weight wise

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[DrOsteo]

Are you fitting a winch? Wouldn't think a bar was essential for Fraser Is otherwise... maybe even a liability weight wise

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Certainly am fitting a winch. The bar makes that happen easier but more importantly will (hopefully) protect me from roos on the way up and back from Sydney.

[sheerluck]

I have a D4 OL bar fitted to my D3

Have you got a picture posted somewhere of how the OL bar fits on the D3 Will?

[DrOsteo]

So have decided I will have to go the OL route, as ARB have no ETA yet.

Question now is do I go the standard matte black or get the OL bar colour matched to my Corris Grey 2016 D4? The installer is very much trying to convince me that I will be happier staying black. Every other vehicle I have owned has had colour matched bar.

[BMKal]

I suppose it's a matter of personal preference, but in my opinion, on a D4 - a black bull bar suits a black or a white vehicle. On any other coloured D4, I would opt for a colour coded bar.

We're currently having the same discussion at home at the moment re the young bloke's VW Amarok - it is a very similar colour to the LR Corris Grey. He is looking at fitting an AFN bull bar to his vehicle (much better fit around guards / wheel arches etc than ARB or OL). Tossing up between black powder coat or colour matched for this one - I reckon colour matched will be the way to go - but he has already had his side tube steps and cargo area bar work (which is chrome / stainless finish as standard) powder coated black - so he's thinking the bull bar should also be black.

I've seen plenty of Corris Grey D4's though with colour coded bars (both OL and ARB) and I think that this looks better than a black bar. ;)

[LandyAndy]

Colour match for sure;););););)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/529.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/20160515_133332_zpstvnmlmgk.jpg.html)
Andrew

[letherm]

I went with this.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/653.jpg

Martin

[sheerluck]

Is that gloss black or the ripple finish Martin?

[letherm]

Is that gloss black or the ripple finish Martin?

It's a ripple finish. Doesn't show the dirt. :p I went with the ripple finish as I've had problems with reflection from previous bars and this isn't a problem with this finish. Here's a close up.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/652.jpg

Personal taste of course but I like it.

Martin

[sheerluck]

I like it too! But then I've got exactly the same one. :D

[DrOsteo]

Can anyone post some pics of their Corris Grey D4 with a black OL bar and anyone else with a matched Corris Grey bar please? So undecided.

[Tombie]

Colour match is great if you're unlikely to scratch it...
Scratching it will result in obvious gouges in the colour.
This became very obvious in the colour coded bar on my D2...

Black powder coat can be touched up with Satin black spray paint.

Just something to consider.

[diesel]

Went to the Camping & Caravanning Show yesterday, had a chat with a very helpful fella from ARB who said the Discovery 4 bull bar is now ready. He said all stores have received confirmation that it is released & available, although it will not be officially available for public order for about 2 weeks...
His words.

They were going to update the current bar but decided to go Summit.

Good choice I think. He advised no pics until they are officially released.

Thought I better report to the community! :D

[DrOsteo]

Cheers Diesel. Without pics and price though am going to have to go OL as am running out of time. Shame they have taken so long.

[Mungus]

... all stores have received confirmation that it is released & available, although it will not be officially available for public order for about 2 weeks...
His words.

:D

Diesel, I so hope the timing part from the ARB fella is correct. The other part isn't though, as I ordered mine early April. Part No. for new summit bar is 3432220. Timing was around July, so looks like a little earlier maybe! :)

[Lukeis]

This thread got me thinking..

I assume you need to remove your front bumper when you install the bull bar? Assuming so, if anyone has a Fuji White D4 (MY14+) and is planning on getting a bull bar let me know as I would be interested in upgrading my bumper.

Of course then i need to source the newer headlights and grill but its a start!

Thanks, Luke

[DrOsteo]

I will have a 2016 Corris Grey one soon if anyone needs one?

[Babs]

This thread got me thinking.. I assume you need to remove your front bumper when you install the bull bar? Assuming so, if anyone has a Fuji White D4 (MY14+) and is planning on getting a bull bar let me know as I would be interested in upgrading my bumper. Of course then i need to source the newer headlights and grill but its a start! Thanks, Luke

I'll be putting an ARB on my Fuji white when it arrives. Approx delivery 8th July.

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[LRD414]

I have been wondering why people are really keen to get the ARB and therefore wait.
What's wrong with the OL product? Seems that people with one are happy?
I'm not looking, just wondering what the thing is with ARB.

Cheers,
Scott

[Tombie]

New grill style, better Aussie steel (not imported Chinese metal - you can hear the difference when you tap it)...

[DrOsteo]

So has anyone got pricing or more pictures of ARB bar yet?

[Babs]

I have been wondering why people are really keen to get the ARB and therefore wait. What's wrong with the OL product? Seems that people with one are happy? I'm not looking, just wondering what the thing is with ARB. Cheers, Scott

Across the board the OL stuff is ugly, to me they have always looked like they were produced in a backyard.

ARB designs have always been leaps ahead.

And as Tombie mentioned the quality, I know ARB puts a lot into R&D I can't speak for OL because there that Fugly I have never even considered looking that close at them.

Their Bullbars on 4wd's remind me of those outback ford & commodore Utes with those oversized bush Bullbars. Fugly Snow Plough

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[BMKal]

Across the board the OL stuff is ugly, to me they have always looked like they were produced in a backyard.

ARB designs have always been leaps ahead.

And as Tombie mentioned the quality, I know ARB puts a lot into R&D I can't speak for OL because there that Fugly I have never even considered looking that close at them.

Their Bullbars on 4wd's remind me of those outback ford & commodore Utes with those oversized bush Bullbars. Fugly Snow Plough

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Other than the very latest OL bar for the Disco, which has made some minor changes in the angle of the two inboard posts ..............

If you park two D4's side by side, one with an ARB bar and the other with the equivalent OL bar - they are virtually identical in appearance except for the foglight surrounds. ;)

Opposite Lock Bar
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/256.jpg (https://postimage.org/)

ARB Bar
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/257.jpg (https://postimage.org/)

[Tombie]

Agree BM. But the steel used is very different in quality and grade...

[BMKal]

Agree BM. But the steel used is very different in quality and grade...

Yes - but the two shown in my pics are at least both sporting the best driving lights on the market. :angel:

[Babs]

Other than the very latest OL bar for the Disco, which has made some minor changes in the angle of the two inboard posts .............. If you park two D4's side by side, one with an ARB bar and the other with the equivalent OL bar - they are virtually identical in appearance except for the foglight surrounds. ;) Opposite Lock Bar [/URL] ARB Bar [URL="https://postimage.org/"] (https://postimage.org/)

It looks good colour coded.

Is that the Summit ARB Bar?

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[LRD414]

It looks good colour coded.
Is that the Summit ARB Bar?
Lol .... the colour coded one is LandyAndy's OL bar .... or as you know it, the snow plow

Across the board the OL stuff is ugly, to me they have always looked like they were produced in a backyard.
Their Bullbars on 4wd's remind me of those outback ford & commodore Utes with those oversized bush Bullbars. Fugly Snow Plough
Sort of proves Brian's point about ARB & OL looking the same, steel grade/quality notwithstanding.

Sorry but that was funny.

Cheers,
Scott

PS ... the ARB Summit version for D4 is not out yet and is what everyone seems to be waiting for

[Babs]

Lol .... the colour coded one is LandyAndy's OL bar .... or as you know it, the snow plow Sort of proves Brian's point about ARB & OL looking the same, steel grade/quality notwithstanding. Sorry but that was funny. Cheers, Scott PS ... the ARB Summit version for D4 is not out yet and is what everyone seems to be waiting for


Ha ha ha :)
Have a look at the OL catalogue then you will see what I mean, most of their bars don't suit the vehicles.

Their ARB lookalike for D4 maybe an exception, there is still something not right just can't put my finger on it.

:) :) :) :D

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[rhinosm]

Just received an email from local ARB.
"ARB have just released information for the new SUMMIT bullbar for the 2014onwards LR Discovery 4.
These bars are due off production in the next month or so"

[l00kin4]

Looks good! Has anyone got pricing of this ARB bar yet?


David

[Babs]

That's Fantastic news, thank you.

It should be just in time for the new Rig :D

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[Babs]

Is it possible to get some photos up of white D3/4 with Black pack and ARB Bullbars. Colour coded or black bars, I was hoping to get an idea of what colour bar to go for, the white or Black?

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[rhinosm]

Hi
I've requested a quote today.
Stay tuned.
Thats the only photo they sent me.