All discussions relating to the Defenders end of production

[Pickles2]

In a very interesting "statement" revealed in another thread, which does not appear to have been "noticed", by other members, at this stage, JLR appear to have stated that the final day of "Current Defender" production will be the 20th December 2015!!!
Still over 2 years away, it will be interesting to see how Defender sells during the next two years, & what the "Final Edition" of the current shape Defender will comprise.
Cheers, Pickles.

[87County]

Not really surprising I guess, considering the non-economic production methods used.

I do notice now since LR have re-established a wider dealer network that most dealers seem to have a new deefer or two on their driveway. With the increased availability people must be purchasing them for nostalgic (or even practical) reasons.

[Samblers]

Place those orders now gents...

I wonder how many (of us?) will be ordering one of the last run as a 'keeper'? I've considered it.

You snooze you lose!

[uninformed]

of coarse it will drive second hand prices up :mad:

[bnicho]

Hi,

I'm a noob and I guess I was driven here by nostalgia. I've been lurking a while before registering today. I've always wanted a Defender but have so far stuck with the "sensible" options.

Given the end of production has been all over the UKL press I was surprised to see little about it on here and in the Aussie press:

Land Rover Defender to cease production in 2015 | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449593/Land-Rover-Defender-cease-production-2015.html)

Cheers,
Brett.

[one_iota]

of coarse it will drive second hand prices up :mad:

To be sure.

I had a twinge of nostalgia the other day and contemplated buying a Mini Moke. I had one in the 70's. After a bit of research I realised that I hadn't bargained on paying around $20,000 for one now so that twinge passed. :(

I suppose that when things move on then so should we.

[MLD]

I had a twinge of nostalgia the other day and contemplated buying a Mini Moke.

I did the same thing this week for a different reason. I thought it would be cool to have a cheap hose out no fuss play toy for summer. The cheapest Mini Moke on the market roadworthy was $14,000. That was the end of the summer play toy idea, well, at least the moke idea.

As for the end of the era, it's a 130 for me. Already started the nostalgia piggy bank. I'll then convert the 110 into a tuff ute per the other thread. Or do a Lowranger and double up on the tough trucks in both wheelbases :D

MLD

[dawsey]

To be sure.

I had a twinge of nostalgia the other day and contemplated buying a Mini Moke. I had one in the 70's. After a bit of research I realised that I hadn't bargained on paying around $20,000 for one now so that twinge passed. :(

I suppose that when things move on then so should we.

Get a old leafy zook sierra soft top still sorta cheap ..A bit bias I got 2..and love em..had 1 since new a bit over priced I thought at the time

[newhue]

Hi,

I'm a noob and I guess I was driven here by nostalgia. I've been lurking a while before registering today. I've always wanted a Defender but have so far stuck with the "sensible" options.

Given the end of production has been all over the UKL press I was surprised to see little about it on here and in the Aussie press:

Land Rover Defender to cease production in 2015 | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449593/Land-Rover-Defender-cease-production-2015.html)

Cheers,
Brett.

Brett, I'm interested in what's behind "sensible" options.
My defer has broken like other marks, but the 130 has to be the most sensible car I have come across. Small city car parks is about its only failing. But with some persistence it still fits.

On topic, I almost re signed for a new 130 the other day as mine had just finished warranty. But with it going so well, all the stuff I was looking at swapping over, plus the change over price I ran out of puff. I reckon they could auction the last 100 or 1000 and double or triple the profits of a standard sale.
I do hope the last one is a lottery draw, give the mums and dads as much chance as some cashed up collector.

[the_preacher1973]

Brett, I'm interested in what's behind "sensible" options.
My defer has broken like other marks, but the 130 has to be the most sensible car I have come across. Small city car parks is about its only failing. But with some persistence it still fits.

On topic, I almost re signed for a new 130 the other day as mine had just finished warranty. But with it going so well, all the stuff I was looking at swapping over, plus the change over price I ran out of puff. I reckon they could auction the last 100 or 1000 and double or triple the profits of a standard sale.
I do hope the last one is a lottery draw, give the mums and dads as much chance as some cashed up collector.

Of course the mums and dads will probably just sell it to the cashed up collector...

[Pickles2]

There's an Aussie guy on the English Defender Forum who has just stated that he has had it confirmed by two Perth LR Dealers that there will be no new Defenders sold in Aus after the end of 2014, because the category vehicle in which Defender is included will have to have airbags as from Jan 2015?
So, no new Aussie Defenders in 2015?...First I've heard of it, anybody know anything?
Pickles.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Hmm Having been in and out of LR dealers a lot over the last few months in Sydney, not one sales person mentioned it...

I would have thought it was an ideal selling point :)

In related news: have a look at what ANCAP now wants for a car to be deemed safe - all I see when I read most (but not all) of the "SAT" (safety assist technology) list is expensive distractions! :mad:

http://www.ancap.com.au/admin/uploadfiles/RoadMap2017.pdf

[Mammalalien]

Sad but it wouldn't surprise me. USA have been in that pot for years. Safety has played on my mind from time to time.

All I can honestly hope for is that the spare parts keep flowing and that the Defender replacement captures all that was good about the old vehicles in a new, standards-complient design. Landrover's head of design has stated in more recent interviews that the DC100 concept was very unlike what the final defender replacement will be so there may be hope yet. The only solid fact i've read is that the Jaguar V8 in the DC100 concept is not going to make it into production. Supposedly they just used that donk to impress Clarkson.

It's due in 2015. We'll have to wait and see.

[Pickles2]

2015?...I don't think so.
I reckon it'll be 2017, before we see a new Defender. But this is not the point of my question,...No Defenders in Aus after 2014?...I haven't heard that one.
Pickles.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The Defender will probably fail on the roof crush strength test so we shouldn't worry about the lack of airbags.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

I reckon what they got that date from this Regulation Impact Statement from 2013: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013L01848/5075aa8e-709c-4ce8-ad6a-9383851c13d9


In line with this, the proposed implementation timetable for ESC is 2015 for new models and 2016 for all models. However, the final timing may be subject to further negotiations with industry.ADR 31 v 05 seems to indicate the drop dead date for NA class vehicles currently in production is 1 November 2017, at which point they need
both Electronic Stability Control system and a Brake Assist System to get a compliance plate (as a new car).

So the by this rule alone, no new Defenders would be allowed in to the country unless Land Rover built in ESC.

Then again there might be other rules around (airbags, rollover, etc?) that have an earlier date, and LR themselves have called end 2015 as the last production date so 2017 may be a moot point...

The ADR is here if you are bored ;) Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 35/05 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013L01848)

[Damo89]

I was told the same thing that December is the last month build dates are allocated to Australian dealers. That was from Northern Beaches LR in Sydney.

[specwarop]

Damn, might have to get my order in for one by the end of the year. I was maybe waiting until this time next year.....What sort of wait time is there for a brand new one?

Or...maybe not buy one at all? Whats the difference in the 2014 models anyways, if anything?

[Pickles2]

I'm still not convinced on this one, but, as they say in the Legal Profession, I shall seek "fuller & further particulars".
There's already some discrepancies in these statements, one says no orders after Oct, another says Dec, but with both those dates, a customer ordered vehicle wouldn't get here by 31/12 anyway, so if the air bag "rule" is going to be enforced, they wouldn't be able to be registered?
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Damn, might have to get my order in for one by the end of the year. I was maybe waiting until this time next year.....What sort of wait time is there for a brand new one?

Or...maybe not buy one at all? Whats the difference in the 2014 models anyways, if anything?
Like I said, I'm still not convinced about this 2014 "Deadline".
There's no major differences for 2014, the ones I know are, Defender on bonnet instead of Land Rover, wheel center badges a different colour, different ignition key, variation in the way different paint colours are ordered. So, from what I know, virtually nothing.
I'm not sure whether premium seats are available.....again?
As far as the "deadline" is concerned, speak to your Dealer, & let us know what He says?
Cheers, Pickles.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

What Adr requires airbags to pass the crash tests?

I can't find the requirement for airbags anywhere. ..

Then again, selective blindness runs in my family!

[Cracka]

FeatherWeightDriver ADR 69 deals with full frontal impact occupant protection, I think its within that without looking.

Mick

[noyakfat]

Damn, might have to get my order in for one by the end of the year. I was maybe waiting until this time next year.....What sort of wait time is there for a brand new one?

Or...maybe not buy one at all? Whats the difference in the 2014 models anyways, if anything?

I placed my order on November 9 for a 5-seat, 110 wagon in keswick green. Last I heard, delivery should be late March or early April. Apparently they had to build the thing, and that didn't start until January!

I have no idea what differences (if any) between 2013 and 2014 models.

Cheers

[FeatherWeightDriver]

FeatherWeightDriver ADR 69 deals with full frontal impact occupant protection, I think its within that without looking.
Mick

Yep - that's the one I am looking at, but it does not state anywhere that I can see that an airbag is required to meet the ADR...

[Summiitt]

I got told I had 6 months to order a new defender...when my 2012 130 is due for replacement I m pretty sure I will be heading towards an F350 or similar..will miss the defers, unless the new model is an absolute cracker...not like the retro FJ

[inside]

This gives me an idea with my defender

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/763.jpg

[Pickles2]

Personally, I don't think there's much truth in this rumour.
However, if some-one in Aus is going to order a Defender next year, then obviously ya'd have to order it well before the date of 20/12/15, which is the date JLR say the last one will roll off the production line.
Ours took nearly 6 months to get to us after ordering, and who knows what the demand will be next year,...I reckon it'll be big, I reckon JLR will be FLAT OUT keeping up with demand for the "Last Defender", so the delay could be longer. With that in mind, I reckon ya'd best get in "early"?
Cheers, Pickles.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

all I know is this place will be over-run by Keswick Green Defenders!:D

[Pickles2]

all I know is this place will be over-run by Keswick Green Defenders!:D
No way, can't go along with that,....I thought we were relatively rare!
Cheers, Pickles.

[Damo89]

I've been told the one I am in the process of ordering will be here by June but I'm not holding my breath!

[noyakfat]

No way, can't go along with that,....I thought we were relatively rare!
Cheers, Pickles.

At least my own driveway will have one :) The closer it gets, the harder the wait...

[juddy]

Iam sure LR will have a LAST EVER DEFENDER SPECIAL EDITION, when the time comes, so I think the we might have a few more years to go.

Its still going to be manufactured after that any way for third world markets. Would not surprise me if the tooling and jigs go to India, those guys are the masters of manual labour, hand building a tin box would be easy for them.

And then the new one, would hate to have the job of designing the new Defender replacement, all those die hards will hate it, hopefully LR will be aiming for a new market sector that will sell on the brand name be it Defender or Land Rover and make more profit than the losses they have now with the current one.

[ezyrama]

I might just to order my new replacement 110 Defender equipped with the factory 3.0ltr SDV6 Discovery motor with 250watt 10 speaker surround sound stereo, dvd player, full leather interior with air conditioned seats, satillite navigation, refrigerated cubby box to keep the single malt whiskey and grange hermitage at an acceptable temperature, 4" factory lift kit complete with front and rear diff locks, twin 150ltr diesel tanks, LED headlights and lite bars and rooftop tent company car, sooner than I thought!!!!:cool
Cheers Ian

[turbo6i]

What would happen if you sink one or have accident and write it off or it gets stolen? No replacement option......

[dullbird]

Its funny you should ask that I was wondering that exact same thing today..especially being as though I have recently just had a car written off and they decided to not repair due to cost...

I wonder if you have more chance of arguing an economic right off being as though the car can not be replaced.

[alan48]

Hi All,
I have just purchased a new 130 and my son a new 110 --picking up today and has Defender on the bonnet instead of Land Rover BUT two dealers have told me that due to Aust. not registering any non air bag vehicles from start of 2015 that if you want a Defender then you need to order by say mid-year THIS year as they will not do any orders for 2015 delivery--now I am only passing this on as who knows????. Now it may depend on whether it is classed as a commercial or passenger vehicle but if you want one maybe check with your rego authorites, dealers etc.:(

[gconran]

I was having a discussion last week with someone in the know and the last Defenders for WA will arrive in November of this year - they are already pretty much sold out. That will be it then...

I joked with my dealer who laughed and then went very serious and suggested that anyone who has purchased a Defender in the past couple of years has probably invested wisely (they already hold their value well so no complaints!!)

I understand they will be done in the UK mid-2015 as well though so this makes a fair bit of sense - same reasoning as I understand it - no airbags?

[Pickles2]

I was having a discussion last week with someone in the know and the last Defenders for WA will arrive in November of this year - they are already pretty much sold out. That will be it then...

I joked with my dealer who laughed and then went very serious and suggested that anyone who has purchased a Defender in the past couple of years has probably invested wisely (they already hold their value well so no complaints!!)

I understand they will be done in the UK mid-2015 as well though so this makes a fair bit of sense - same reasoning as I understand it - no airbags?
Unreal mate, I've heard nothing about this at all?
Anyway, I shall probably be visiting my Dealer,ULR, one of the oldest LR Dealers in Aus tomorrow, & I will endeavour to speak with the Sales Manager, to see what he knows.
Which Dealer told you?
Cheers, Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Rang the Sales Manager of ULR. He said he's heard NOTHING about any early termination of ordering for Defender.
Cheers, Pickles.

[hay_howie]

This is seriously stressing me out, its been a dream car of mine for so long, and to even have a hint of them ending production...I really wanted one of these new.

I am not able to purchase one until next year, I will be so gutted if they stop allowing purchases in Aus!

[dullbird]

Howie I honestly would not wait I don't think you will be able to order one in 2015 being as though most waits are at the minimum 4 months, I reckon even if they continue to build in 2015 I would be surprised if they would continue to allow you to order in this year.

Australia is not a huge market and they may still have other European markets to fulfil first so they may get priority on what gets pumped out in terms of last off the production line.

My personal felling is (I have nothing to base this on other than my gut feeling) I def reckon you won't get an order on a def after sept of this year I have already ordered mine because I wouldn't be surprised if it was earlier

[specwarop]

Yeh I am hoping that they still offer to sell them until Jul/Aug at least, so I can get mine.

But at the back of my mind I feel like, in buying one this year, I could miss out on whatever goodies they may put into a 2015 Defender, if there is one....Or surprise us with something.... What do you guys think about that?

[dullbird]

I have thought they might put out a limited edition for the last run off... In saying that though they only bought 70/74 SVXs so if they were only to do a limited run of last production I couldn't even imagine what the cost of them would be like..

I still to this day think the SVX owners were ripped off with an extra 10gs I reckon it would be even more than that personally..

So way out of my price range

And there is always the other side of the coin what if they do but they don't come here like the fire and ice edition.

I just wasn't prepared to take the chance and miss out all together. I had one of the first 110's that came in to oz and I really wanted to have one of the last 130s but again I would rather have the car then risk not having one at all so I played it safe

[specwarop]

Yeh looking at those 2 SE defenders, dont think there is a huge deal to them, depending on the price as a result...

Looking at the pictures, I am reminded that I saw on the LR website you can get the recaros seats as an option. Would anyone ever entertain the idea of getting recaros??

[Pickles2]

Geez, there's a LOT of "waffle" going on here.
There is NOTHING official from JLR except that the last Defender will roll down the line at Solihull on 20th December 2015. Now, if you want one built to your specs, you're obviously going to have to order it probably 6 months earlier, because that's how long it'll take to get here, maybe earlier if the demand is big,...which it could very well be.
But, no more orders after October 2014??...where is there any official word on that, because ULR, one of the, if not the, oldest LR Dealer in Aus, knows nothing about it?
Cheers, Pickles.
NB:, I ain't worried about any of this, 'cause we've got ours, & very nice it is too,...but has anyone seen anything in writing,.....has any Dealer got anything in writing???....or is it all just someone's feeling/opinion?

[FeatherWeightDriver]

but has anyone seen anything in writing,.....has any Dealer got anything in writing???....or is it all just someone's feeling/opinion?

Oblig. ;):angel:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/398.jpg

[dullbird]

Geez, there's a LOT of "waffle" going on here.
There is NOTHING official from JLR except that the last Defender will roll down the line at Solihull on 20th December 2015. Now, if you want one built to your specs, you're obviously going to have to order it probably 6 months earlier, because that's how long it'll take to get here, maybe earlier if the demand is big,...which it could very well be.
But, no more orders after October 2014??...where is there any official word on that, because ULR, one of the, if not the, oldest LR Dealer in Aus, knows nothing about it?
Cheers, Pickles.
NB:, I ain't worried about any of this, 'cause we've got ours, & very nice it is too,...but has anyone seen anything in writing,.....has any Dealer got anything in writing???....or is it all just someone's feeling/opinion?


Your quite dismissive considering you don't care... :D

Lets face it there is nothing in writing so who knows?? What we are saying may well be correct!!!! May not:p;)

Be interesting to see what happens. However I'm pretty sure we all found out about the defend stopping from the UK well before any dealer here had told us after having it officially in writing :)

[loneranger]

We didn't want a Defender until June this year but we were looking in Sept last year and the dealer said for a $2,000 deposit we could book a build date which we did. Ours should be in the production line by now. So for those who don't want one until later in the year see if you can book a build date and reserve your spot.

[specwarop]

How would booking a spot work, if you were to get a novated lease I wonder

[Simon]

I'm sorting a novated lease at the moment. My 110 was already in the dealers yard, but to hold it I have paid a deposit. The dealer will refund the deposit when the leae company pays them the full amount.

A slightly different scenario to using a deposit to book a build slot, but I can't see why the funds flow process should be different

[specwarop]

Yeh I noticed the local dealer has a number of Defenders in their yard. If you were happy with one of those, but wanted a few extras fitted, would they then make a completely new defender for you, or just install the extras to the one in the yard?

[Pickles2]

Your quite dismissive considering you don't care... :D

Lets face it there is nothing in writing so who knows?? What we are saying may well be correct!!!! May not:p;)

Be interesting to see what happens. However I'm pretty sure we all found out about the defend stopping from the UK well before any dealer here had told us after having it officially in writing :)
No, not "dismissive", I love our "90", I love the fact it's an icon, I love everything about it, so I'm certainly "interested" in anything to do with Defender..that's why I'm the O.P.!!
It's not that I'm "dismissive", I'm simply saying there's a lot of, what appears to me to be, pure speculation,....I did ask the question,....."Has anyone/any Dealer seen anything official/in writing"?,.....my Dealer hasn't, nor has anyone else, that I'm aware of?
But, to be fair,...Yes,...your last para is correct!!
Cheers, Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Yeh I noticed the local dealer has a number of Defenders in their yard. If you were happy with one of those, but wanted a few extras fitted, would they then make a completely new defender for you, or just install the extras to the one in the yard?
It would depend upon what you wanted.
There are "options", some of which can only be fitted on line at the factory, and then there are "accessories" which can be installed by the Dealer.
So, if you saw a Dealer "stock" Defender, & what you wanted on it were simply accessories, you'd be OK, but if ya wanted options like heated/half leather seats etc, then you'd be out of luck.
Pickles.

[OffTrack]

I did ask the question,....."Has anyone/any Dealer seen anything official/in writing"?,.....my Dealer hasn't, nor has anyone else, that I'm aware of?

If you don't believe what you read on the 'net why don't you pick up the phone and call Land Rover Australia: 1800 625 642

[Steve A]

Confirmation below from another LR dealer about the end of the current Defender.


Hey Steve,



Sorry have been on training this week.



Land Rover are actually planning to cease productionat the end of this year L it is a sad day and I have evenbought a Defender 90 because I don’t think I could live without one !



Please let me know if you would like to order one over the comingmonths, I would not leave it until past July



Guy Ewin

SalesConsultant



Lennock Landrover andJaguar

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Fax: 6250 7299

[Psimpson7]

If you don't believe what you read on the 'net why don't you pick up the phone and call Land Rover Australia: 1800 625 642

They probably wont have any idea... They only got the 2014 defender specs / brochure on the LR Australia site yesterday (and I think the brochure is still the 13 one), when they have been building 2014 MY cars since November last year....

[OffTrack]

They probably wont have any idea... They only got the 2014 defender specs / brochure on the LR Australia site yesterday (and I think the brochure is still the 13 one), when they have been building 2014 MY cars since November last year....

Yep, you are right:

"Sorry, I don't know to be honest. You'd need to talk to a dealership" :angel:

[specwarop]

So you guys are happy with buying a car that is about to go out of production? What consequences will that have on replacement parts and maintenance?
Also, what changed in the 2014 to warrant needing the new specs?

[Psimpson7]

The way the colours seem to be specified.

As far as I can see Metallic paint for the 2013 MY included the roof and arches in that colour as the default.

In 2014 it appears they now specify the roof and arches separately to the main metallic colour. This is potentially giving me a headache as we ordered in November for blue with blue roof and arches. I specifically asked 'so that will have the body coloured roof and arches?' the dealer answered yes.

Bearing in mind the 2014My has been in production since Nov 13 and the documents appeared on the website yesterday...

Why the **** they would do that is beyond me.

I am currently awaiting an update from LR customer services in the UK to find out if the colours on my currently on the boat order are wrong.... If they are... argh!

As for it going out of production. That's why I bought one now!

[OffTrack]

So you guys are happy with buying a car that is about to go out of production? What consequences will that have on replacement parts and maintenance?
Also, what changed in the 2014 to warrant needing the new specs?

I believe manufacturers are legally obliged to provide support in terms of parts and servicing for 7 years after the date of last production.

[vnx205]

So you guys are happy with buying a car that is about to go out of production? What consequences will that have on replacement parts and maintenance?


You can still buy parts for a Series I. In fact I believe you can still buy brand new parts for a T Model Ford. They have both been out of production for a while.

It shouldn't have any effect at all.

[Pickles2]

I visited our Dealer ULR today, & I spoke to the Sales manager, who DOES know his stuff, and who has had no advice whatsoever that PRODUCTION will cease in Decenber 2014. I will go on record now, and say that is (12/14) incorrect, AND, I will be the first to apologizze if I am wrong.
However, a trend appears to be developing. ULR has NO 90's in stock, only a few 110s, and no spare allocations at the moment. That means that if you did want to order one, you'd have to wait in line, until an allocation became available, before your car could be built.
So, the trend is that, the waiting list is growing,...the question is, how long will it (waiting list) eventually be, & when will orders have to be cut off because no more will be able to be built/"fitted in" before the end of production in Dec 2015?
Cheers, Pickles.

[DieselDan]

I got a similar answer to Pickles from the salesman at the dealer in Geelong.
What with all the talk of production ending, I thought I'd better start thinking about upgrading from the disco1 !!
I was told that the more "non standard" deefers, the 110 crew cab, the single cabs, etc would be the first of the production to be wound down (so if you want one, get your order in quick as there's no telling how long the build queue would get).
After that, the dealers would only be looking at getting 90 and 110 wagons, so if you're prepared to take the risk and accept whatever the dealer may be able to get hold of, then you can wait a bit longer.

I guess its all a bit of conjecture still, but I'm finding more and more reasons not to wait and order a nice new present for myself!!

[pannawonica]

You still can get a lot of parts for many Classic British cars, Moggie thou, E type Triumph Stag and series Landies. hopefully the parts dept guy will one day ask" which defender classic or current?":D

[PAT303]

There is more chance of hell freezing over as far as not getting defender parts. Pat

[Pickles2]

Yes, I believe the main point now, of this issue is, "Date For Final Orders", ie the date that Solihull says that their Defender order book is full, as a consequence of which, they can take no more orders".
This date will be WELL BEFORE the date production finishes in December 2015.
Cheers, Pickles.

[minibloodhound]

Robert Pepper of the 4WD Handbook posted this excerpt from a Land Rover media release re the 2015 Defender.

From 2015 Model Year the 90 station wagon and 110 Station wagon will be fitted with Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) as standard. This will be packaged with ABS and therefore means that these Defender models will have ABS with Electronic Traction Control (ETC) and DSC as standard. ABS will also be available for the first time on 130 wheel base Defender models"

Scott

[OffTrack]

Robert Pepper of the 4WD Handbook posted this excerpt from a Land Rover media release re the 2015 Defender.

From 2015 Model Year the 90 station wagon and 110 Station wagon will be fitted with Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) as standard. This will be packaged with ABS and therefore means that these Defender models will have ABS with Electronic Traction Control (ETC) and DSC as standard. ABS will also be available for the first time on 130 wheel base Defender models"

Scott

What the Land Rover press release available on newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com says is:

From 2015 all UK and European specification Defenders will be fitted with Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) as standard. This will be packaged with ABS and therefore means that all new UK and European specification Defenders will have ABS with Electronic Traction Control (ETC) and DSC as standard. ABS will also be available for the first time on 130 wheel base Defender models.

So it doesn't really clarify whether this spec 2015 Defender will be sold into Australia. Also consider that these are LR Model Years so MY2015 production would begin around mid-2014.

cheers
Paul

[specwarop]

So how does it work? If we place an order now, and build date is say - not until Nov 2014...does that mean we get an MY15 spec Defender?

Seems like a bit of a conundrum - wait until next model and get stability control (if rumours are true), or get one know in fear that theyll stop making them (if that rumour is true)

[hay_howie]

This is exactly what I am thinking, the mrs has given me to go ahead to purchase one early in the fears that I may not secure one, not really sure what to do now! Waiting for the newer model sounds risky.

[Psimpson7]

A November 14 build 'should' be a 15MY.

They were building 14MY cars from November 2013 I believe.

There was a 2 month delay between ordering and build date for us, but I imagine that may be longer in some cases.

It doesn't sound like Australia would get DSC

[BilboBoggles]

Interestingly the RAVE manual for the my13 model specifically mentions DSC as part of the ABS ECU description. I reckon DSC is a function in the MY12 onwards ABS ECU, that just has not been enabled. There is a description of a Yaw sensor which I think is a critical part of DSC. I've been meaning to look and see if there is one somewhere in my MY13 model.

[mike_beecham]

Yep. See my new thread on 2015 model on having DSC.

[dullbird]

Howie I honestly would not wait I don't think you will be able to order one in 2015 being as though most waits are at the minimum 4 months, I reckon even if they continue to build in 2015 I would be surprised if they would continue to allow you to order in this year.

Australia is not a huge market and they may still have other European markets to fulfil first so they may get priority on what gets pumped out in terms of last off the production line.

My personal felling is (I have nothing to base this on other than my gut feeling) I def reckon you won't get an order on a def after sept of this year I have already ordered mine because I wouldn't be surprised if it was earlier

Judging by the thread just posted in general looks like I was pretty right:D:wasntme:

[alan48]

Hi potential owners,
my dealer told me this week that his last orders will be done by about March next year and that will be it, also mostly only 110 and 90 versions.Now lots of slightly varying info from dealers but looks like we may be able to get some MY15 models--as long as rego people don't stop them re no air bags--guess it would help if someone had a contact in say RMS.:D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

So how does it work? If we place an order now, and build date is say - not until Nov 2014...does that mean we get an MY15 spec Defender?

Seems like a bit of a conundrum - wait until next model and get stability control (if rumours are true), or get one know in fear that theyll stop making them (if that rumour is true)


This is exactly what I am thinking, the mrs has given me to go ahead to purchase one early in the fears that I may not secure one, not really sure what to do now! Waiting for the newer model sounds risky.

The BIG risk is missing out--
[The REST OF THE WORLD is thinking about this]

just but it---

buy it NOW!

;)

[Pickles2]

No definitive "final order" dates available yet (FROM SOLIHULL) that I can see,....lots of "supposedly" final dates, but nothing "official" yet, that I've seen from the factory.
However, if I was contemplating buying a new Defender, I'd be ordering now rather than later?
Pickles.

[spudfan]

From October 2015 all new cars and light commercials sold in Europe will have to be fitted with a new safety device. It will activate when your AIRBAGS are triggered. It will send an automatic distress call to a call centre who will phone you back. If you do not reply within 40 seconds a call will be put into the emergency services and help sent to your location given by the unit. Seems it's to help people involved in serious one vehicle accidents. If the Defender is covered by this there will be no more sold after September 2015 as they don't have airbags to enable the system to be triggered.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

So a GPS tracking device in every car?

What could possibly go wrong? :mad:

[spudfan]

From the BBC
BBC News - EU plan for cars to call an ambulance after crashes (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18677335)

[scarry]

From the BBC
BBC News - EU plan for cars to call an ambulance after crashes (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18677335)

Probably only the beginning,will eventually have a device that checks speed continually,so can book you any time anywhere:mad:

[AndyG]

Presumably the phone is embedded in the device , bit like Cadillac from memory

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Presumably the phone is embedded in the device , bit like Cadillac from memory

How else would it phone home.

And then yes why would you not get it to automatically dob in a speeder...

Stuff that.

[Damo89]

And then yes why would you not get it to automatically dob in a speeder...


Or track everyone's locations.... It sounds like a 'good excuse' for a tighter nanny state or worse

[specwarop]

Went to see a Dealer here in WA yesterday about the 2015 spec Defender and so forth. He said there was only build dates available for April or May this year, with delivery dates of July-Sept. From those dates, he said there was nothing on the system, and that it appeared suss.

So instead of waiting and risking missing out, I thought I would just place an order. I mean, all that I am missing out on that I care about is DSC, but even that is up in the air re: its worth. Just hoping now they dont throw any other goodies in...

So booked in a build date, for July delivery, cant wait. Need to contact the dealer within a week to confirm the build details and accessories...

[Psimpson7]

Just had it confirmed that my soon to arrive MY14 90 doesn't have a DPF so I think we can assume that they still aren't being fitted to Aus market cars.

[Pickles2]

I've seen the '14 Defender brochure which shows the engine as complying with Euro 1V, which does not need DPF.
Pickles.

[AndyG]

Well just paid a deposit for an August delivery, to fit into my time table. I was also told there were some slots in Jan-Mar 2015, but basically 90/110 wagons. But im offering no warranty on this, each should do their own research.

I got in now just in case. If it took 67 years to get this Defender right, imagine the fun with the all new one to get it right .:wasntme: And i don't believe those stories about a new Defender ASAP. However with the Troop carriers upcoming demise, for the same reasons, a bigger opportunity for a utilitarian vehicle now exists, for LR

cheers

[MR LR]

Just to add to this, I went to the dealer last week as I know the final orders are soon and I'm pushing to get my lifetime dream car!

Final order calls are coming out in the next fortnight, with final orders for 110 ute, 110 double cab, and all 130's to be in before the end of June. 110 wagons will go for a while longer but I wasn't told the date, pretty sure this applies to 90's aswell.

I want a 110 double cab.

Cheers
Will

[juddy]

110 90 130cc and hcpu are ok to order for 2015 model year.

No confirmation of these models ending yet .

110cc 130cc 110 double cab 110 two door and 110 hcpu no more orders after march for a May build.

[russellrovers]

110 90 130cc and hcpu are ok to order for 2015 model year.

No confirmation of these models ending yet .

110cc 130cc 110 double cab 110 two door and 110 hcpu no more orders after march for a May build.hi juddy ring me regards mon chat jim

[dullbird]

110 90 130cc and hcpu are ok to order for 2015 model year.

No confirmation of these models ending yet .

110cc 130cc 110 double cab 110 two door and 110 hcpu no more orders after march for a May build.


????

[NT5224]

Oh well,

we all knew it was coming :(

The local dealership have written me to inform me that they (LR) are already winding up production of the less popular variants ( 110 single cabs and hardtops), so now probably too late to order one of them from Aussie. They reckon you might just slip in a last order from Aussie for a station wagon....

According to dealer still no word on a 'final edition', so if one comes, will it come in time for Australian buyers ....?

Cheers

Alan

[Pickles2]

Yes, "the end" is certainly coming, although I'm getting varying statements as to when it will actually be?
I was at our Dealer's yesterday, & a person there told me that they were finishing production in March next year, which is at variance with the official date of 20th December 2015 announced by JLR.
IMHO, I reckon March may simply be the latest that a Defender could be ordered?
Anyone heard anything else "official"?
Pickles.

[Dobby]

I'm was in the process of leasing a new 110 wagon. The dealership I have been dealing with indicated that final orders were being taken for the utes, hardtops etc but the 90's and 110's will still be available for some time yet, at least until the end of the year. As I have had to put off the leasing until about June/July, this is good news for me.

[Mike_S]

I asked at Melbourne Land Rover earlier this week when my Sport was in for a service (had a Deefer 90 as courtesy car :cool: ), all they could say was 'soon'. I'm seriously considering ordering a 90 but can't do anything for a few months so the longer they leave it the better. Really want one of the limited edition run out cars.

[LRO53]

From an Official Source


MY2014
Hard Top 110
Cab Chassis 110
Crew Cab 110
Single Cab 110 HCPU


All Last orders by the end of March but they did say you might sneak one in possibly up till the end of april 2014.


MY2015
Last orders for the rest of the range will be around April 2015 but if you want something custom order by the end of this year to be safe as build slots can be a problem.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

I happily have one in the driveway, but approval from SWMBO for a buy + sell if the final edition is a special.

Just as long as I don't tell her how much the changeover cost was! :angel::twisted:

[Bess]

75702
I WAN'T ONE OF THESE !!!:p

[Pickles2]

From an Official Source


MY2014
Hard Top 110
Cab Chassis 110
Crew Cab 110
Single Cab 110 HCPU


All Last orders by the end of March but they did say you might sneak one in possibly up till the end of april 2014.


MY2015
Last orders for the rest of the range will be around April 2015 but if you want something custom order by the end of this year to be safe as build slots can be a problem.
That sounds pretty right to me.
JLR have said that the last Defender will roll down the line on 20th December 2015.
Now, with "normal" ordering of your own "customer build" in Aus, you need to allow 5-6 months, which takes you back to May/June 2015.
Then, there's a few "special builds" already announced, like the "black" & "silver" editions, (simply "sticker specials" IMHO), which have to be fitted into the production "schedule", taking up more "space".
And, there will inevitably be some "Final Editions" programmed in as well, so yes, I can see, that if you want to order your own "90", then March '15 may be the latest you could order,....maybe even earlier,.....to be sure.
Pickles.

[AndyG]

Could you not place an order, pay deposit and book a slot in the future. then if/when a final edition is announced change your order to that? Presuming you get the dates right, lic Dec 2015.

[pop058]

75702
I WAN'T ONE OF THESE !!!:p

In blue with a sheep on the door ??:D

[AndyG]

And what would you reasonably expect in a final edition, paint& trim? I can't see special hardware happening

[FeatherWeightDriver]

In blue with a sheep on the door ??:D

How about a Union Jack?

Have a look at the exterior styling accessories lists here Defender Accessories | Land Rover Defender | Land Rover International (http://www.landrover.com/gl/en/lr/defender/accessories/)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/04/694.jpg

[dullbird]

mmmmmm I like that!!!

[Scallops]

In blue with a sheep on the door ??:D

No - that'd be a Series 1! :)

[FeatherWeightDriver]

mmmmmm I like that!!!

The door one looks better imo, quarter union jack from memory, but I can't find the picture :mad:

[Pickles2]

The door one looks better imo, quarter union jack from memory, but I can't find the picture :mad:
Both pictures are in the 2014 Defender catalogue.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Bess]

In blue with a sheep on the door ??:D

I think I would go with the Keswick green/ white roof. What a top little ute, don't know why they didn't bring it in.:)

[AndyG]

I was told by ,my Dealer on 17/04 where i have one on order that there will be a Final Edition based on Heritage Colors, once i get the Bulletin i will post it.

[AndyG]

Makes you wonder where they will get hold of WWII surplus green paint.

[Bess]

75702
I WAN'T ONE OF THESE !!!:p

Ok folks, what's our thoughts on bringing one of these little gems in as a private import or making a special order?

I have looked at LRA website regarding the importing of vehicles to Aus, the way I read it would be that if LRA have not bought this particular model into Australia then I would not be able to register it here.

What do you good people think? Is it possible either way because I would seriously consider this before it's all over for the Defender as we know it!

Any advise from people who have done a private import ( late model ) or managed a special order would be appreciated .

Thanks Chris.

[Pickles2]

According to the Landrover site, there are 29 Aussie Dealers.
I was reading (UK Def 11 site) recently that Defender sales in Aus, to the end of May, were 273, working out at a little under 2 per month, per Dealer.
Obviously some sell more than others, but it's not really very many.
Pickles.

[frantic]

This is just my opinion, but looking at the combination of events, there will be at least a 2 year gap between last puma and the newbie, maybe. So why would LR waste money on a product it's neglected for 25 years and is finished for at least 2?
Have a look at the big 3 soon to shut shop, falcon, commodore, carry are almost invisible in their ads , so the replacement may not even have the same name, whereas Jeep, Mazda Honda and the others who have a new model to directly follow the old, not only keep up the ads,but also have special run out packs. Jeep have their replacement wrangler planned.
LR on the other hand may have had plans to be doing a custom body /suspension on the ranger/bt50 chassis using aluminium but that would have got nipped in the bud by the sale to tata. The f150-250 now use aluminium panels to reduce weight, and the ranger has a true 130 inch wheelbase, with its td5 and tdci4 built in the U.K. Also a 5 door 7 seat ranger is due early 2015 to compete with the MUX, Colorado, outlander.

[cjc_td5]

According to the Landrover site, there are 29 Aussie Dealers.
I was reading (UK Def 11 site) recently that Defender sales in Aus, to the end of May, were 273, working out at a little under 2 per month, per Dealer.
Obviously some sell more than others, but it's not really very many.
Pickles.

I think you will find that is more due to supply than demand. I was speaking to a Perth dealer who said that he could sell three times the number of Defenders he did if only he could get his hands on them.

Cheers,

[voltron]

I was at the Newcastle dealership 2 weeks ago and they had a new red 110 with luxury pack on it or whatever and asked him if it would sit there long. He showed me a list of 5 people he had to call as soon as it arrived. That beautiful thing wasn't going to be sitting there long.

[solmanic]

As far as the Defender goes, the dealers are their own worst enemy. Of course they will put in more effort to move $90K+ Discoveries & RRS than they ever would shifting $50K Defenders.

When we bought our 2007 Puma Defender, I visited two dealerships in Brisbane to enquire about ordering and neither of them bothered to ring me back. One even had a demonstrator on the floor which we were interested in but no phone call. In the end I had a mate who was a professional vehicle fleet purchaser chase one down in Toowoomba.

Fast forward five years and again we were looking to trade up. I went to one of the dealers in the city and poked around the 2.2 Puma on the floor. Gave them my requirements and details, and again not a phone call. They just totally suck arse when it comes to selling Defenders.

I am sure there are some dealers around the country who are big fans of the Defender - take the Toowoomba guys for example. But generally speaking I think they just cannot be bothered. Perhaps they think all Defender buyers are rough neck tight-arses who know too much about what they're buying and make salesmanship a chore. Perhaps they don't want them messing up their dealerships and scaring the Range Rover customers. Who knows.

Anyhoo - I went and bought a G-Wagen just to spite them all and I have to say, the dealership sucking up from MB was spectacular... Oh bugger! I inadvertently made another Mercedes post there didn't I.
:wasntme:

Defenders have to sell themselves because they sure as hell don't get any assistance from dealers.

[Pickles2]

Mercedes Dealers? We bought a new C63, & so yes, we too are aware, they REALLY know how to look after their customers.
Pickles.

[Samblers]

With supply being so tight and dealerships lacking motivation, how do people go about getting discounts/deals when negotiating purchase???

FWIW i think most of those sales must've been in WA, theres heaps of new defenders out there! Maybe the ship just arrived ...

[frantic]

Supply Tight? The local has had a white 110 wagon 5 seat and a 90 in grey , black sawtooth 4 seat, sitting in their yard for at least a month, along with a black 5 seat 110 wagon trade from 2010 at 36k.

[PAT303]

I think you will find that is more due to supply than demand. I was speaking to a Perth dealer who said that he could sell three times the number of Defenders he did if only he could get his hands on them.

Cheers,

I bought both my defenders new and both times I was put on a waiting list,ten months for my TDCi. Pat

[Rurover]

Pleased to say the local dealer in the South East of SA (Mac Land Rover) is a Defender enthusiast.
Angus (the dealer principal) owns one and just loves it, so no problem persuading him to sell Defenders!

Alan

[Pickles2]

I know that it's over 18 months until the last Defender will be made, so I guess there's still a fair bit of time to buy the remaining models that are still being built.
But is anybody in the least bit concerned? JLR don't seem to be worried, you hardly see a Defender in their advertisements these days, and the motoring press have hardly had anything to say about the demise of a vehicle that will have been around basically for nearly 70 years.
Anyway, with so little interest, I guess that does explain Defenders' declining sales, and why so little has been written about its impending demise?
Pickles.

[debruiser]

yea on that note - defenders not selling. I read an article the other day about Ford's new SUV (as they put it). Ford has come up with a 'rival' for the defender to be sold in a bunch of other countries but not Oz. Seems that Oz doesn't' sell enough SUV type vehicles to warrant it.

Now i come to think of it.... I think I found a link from AULRO to the article...

Shows that the general population is not interested in serious 4x4 vehicles. They just want their high riding soccer mum cars with all the luxury of a family car.

[pannawonica]

I know that it's over 18 months until the last Defender will be made, so I guess there's still a fair bit of time to buy the remaining models that are still being built.
But is anybody in the least bit concerned? JLR don't seem to be worried, you hardly see a Defender in their advertisements these days, and the motoring press have hardly had anything to say about the demise of a vehicle that will have been around basically for nearly 70 years.
Anyway, with so little interest, I guess that does explain Defenders' declining sales, and why so little has been written about its impending demise?
Pickles.

They still sell everyone they make, that's the limitation. :D

[Brett1066]

Shows that the general population is not interested in serious 4x4 vehicles. They just want their high riding soccer mum cars with all the luxury of a family car.

I agree with debruiser - it seems the majority of people who drive 4x4 (well in the city at least) are more concerned about the looks and the luxuries than the capability of the car they drive.

As for Landrover ending production of the defender - a crying shame I think. If I could afford it I would definitely be buying one before production ceases. But, seeing as I can't :(, my poor old 300 tdi will have to do for me.

[simmo]

I'll be sorry to see them finished, it's the end of an era, but bolted together cars have to finish, too expensive to make, plus no crumple zones etc. But I'll keep my eye out for a cheap Td5 defender for refurbishment, they're out there, I saw a nice blue one that needs head work in Melbourne for 7.5 k, and replacement of my old Tdi. But my Tdi has probably got 10 years left in it. If I have unit under refurbishment I can take all the good bits off the tdi. That will see me out, I only have maybe 15 years of driving to go. :(

[frantic]

They still sell everyone they make, that's the limitation. :D

You've got it the wrong way round , they don't make enough to sell more.

In 1997 they made 36,000. Land Rover FAQ - History, Production, Sales - Production Data (http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.LR_production.html)
The last few years have seen production set at around half that number, 17-20,000 units a year.

[JDNSW]

You've got it the wrong way round , they don't make enough to sell more.

In 1997 they made 36,000. Land Rover FAQ - History, Production, Sales - Production Data (http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.LR_production.html)
The last few years have seen production set at around half that number, 17-20,000 units a year.

Part of the reduction in production rates is probably that with the increasing gadgets fitted to them, the time spent on the production line is longer.

John

[tact]

The Land Rover media releases occasionally reference "Three pillars" going forward, Range Rover, Discovery, Defender.

Hopefully that means something.

We have seen the exciting Range Rover "refresh" with new models there.

We are seeing the same refresh applied to coming Disco line.

We just need to wait and see Defender take its turn. Of course what may come is unlikely to be just a new paint job on the current Defender. Significant change to the old Defender so loved seems very likely, necessary.

I am curious to see what they do. It's got to tick a lot of regulatory and environmental boxes. It's can't be just a disco with a lift and bigger tyres - it's supposed to be a "pillar" in its own right. One of the three pillars above.

[pannawonica]

You've got it the wrong way round , they don't make enough to sell more.

In 1997 they made 36,000. Land Rover FAQ - History, Production, Sales - Production Data (http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.LR_production.html)
The last few years have seen production set at around half that number, 17-20,000 units a year.





No, to be clear in what I was inferring was the limitation is production capacity of @25K units per year of which is largely a hand made vehicle. This is less than half what generally considered as economic, any replacement would have to achieve. As a result of what the dealer said to me, he was clearly of the opinion that they could shift more of them if supplied.

[Samblers]

In Australia, yes, elsewhere, maybe not...

Australian defender market is statistically insignificant. Microscopic. Car manufacturers financial controllers ears would only start twitching when the sales volumes are anticipated to be in the 100,000's. Ths are the sor tof numbers that start to bankroll the costs of new production lines.

Like it or lump it facts:

- Car markets are global, models must have broad appeal.
- Australia is a desert with a population of 2.
- Customers are increasingly demanding. 4WD capability is not enough... car must have comfort, safety, visual appeal, economy, features etc etc.
- Major market (Europe) - defender is an oddity/relic. Vast majority of European customers touring needs would be satisfied by nothing more hard-core than a Freelander.
- Most affluent people (i.e. potential LR customers) live in high density urban areas, for which Defender is not suitable day to day.
- Defender is a relic. We are extremely lucky its lasted this long.

I love my Defender... but LR are not here merely to serve the needs of the very few of us actually utilising the cars' 4WD capabilities.

There has been much talk on this forum about the last-minute grab for defenders before production ceases. I admit to having considered this option too. BUT… almost no-one talking of the possibility that LR may just hit the nail on the head with the Defender successor. Perhaps I might want one of those even more …?

[debruiser]

In Australia, yes, elsewhere, maybe not...

Australian defender market is statistically insignificant. Microscopic. Car manufacturers financial controllers ears would only start twitching when the sales volumes are anticipated to be in the 100,000's. Ths are the sor tof numbers that start to bankroll the costs of new production lines.

Like it or lump it facts:

- Car markets are global, models must have broad appeal.
- Australia is a desert with a population of 2.
- Customers are increasingly demanding. 4WD capability is not enough... car must have comfort, safety, visual appeal, economy, features etc etc.
- Major market (Europe) - defender is an oddity/relic. Vast majority of European customers touring needs would be satisfied by nothing more hard-core than a Freelander.
- Most affluent people (i.e. potential LR customers) live in high density urban areas, for which Defender is not suitable day to day.
- Defender is a relic. We are extremely lucky its lasted this long.

I love my Defender... but LR are not here merely to serve the needs of the very few of us actually utilising the cars' 4WD capabilities.

There has been much talk on this forum about the last-minute grab for defenders before production ceases. I admit to having considered this option too. BUT… almost no-one talking of the possibility that LR may just hit the nail on the head with the Defender successor. Perhaps I might want one of those even more …?

Very good points. And particularly "possibly LR may just hit the nail on the head with the Defender successor." who knows that could happen! well really don't you think it should????? They came up with something that lasted pretty much 70yrs from basically NO prior success. Now they have 70yrs of experience to draw from, they have be groundbreaking on plenty of tech stuff on the range rover and disco, so why can't they come up with something revolutionary with the 'new defender'? Maybe a blank slate is what they need to recreate "The third Pillar"

[Samblers]

Absolutely.

In answer to the original question, “is anyone bothered”?

Me!

I’d love for LR to continue making defenders for my personal convenience and continued enjoyment!

But I know that’s completely unsustainable.

I hope the New Defender is awesome and inspires us all.

[PAT303]

I'm not bothered,look at parts prices,I could rebuild my Tdi from the ground up for 10K and sell it for 15,the defender is not going anywhere,in fact they will get more popular once all the land losers and pootrols are rusted away and the market is made up of nothing but Kluger type ''4wds''. Pat

[DrytheRain]

It will be a sad event, considering the Defender is probably the last mass-produced automotive icon standing, but all good things, etc. Being realistic about it, we're very lucky that the Defender has lasted this long, especially with ever more stringent regulations and the homogeneity that they create.

However, Pat makes a good point; the Defender is far more rebuildable and has a far larger parts industry to support it than anything from Toyota or Nissan, so those that exist already will keep rolling for many, many years to come.

It will certainly be interesting to see what Land Rover come up with as a replacement. Given the success of the double cab ute market and large wagons like the LandCruiser and Patrol, I don't think body-on-frame construction is done for yet. I just hope they can make two live axles compatible with a five-star NCAP rating. Given JLR's expertise with riveted aluminium construction, they should perhaps look to the aviation industry for inspiration and consider some sort of riveted modular construction for the next Defender, which would allow the various body types one would expect. It could be more of a lightweight monocoque for safety, but still sit atop a trusty box-section steel frame (hopefully galvanised at long last!).

[technophile]

I am not bothered, i have already got mine, and it is only going to go up in value :D

[workingonit]

Not too fussed at its demise as it currently exists - with some significant changes to design, but not the fuss free principle, yes keep it going. I thought the real issue was the cost of updating, for such things as airbags (I assume current models don't have airbags), crush zones etc.

Maybe we need a list of likes and dislikes? I like the alloy shell, coils, live axles, slab sides, hose out option. Don't like ergonomics, wind resistent front, uncertain reliablity, dash. Would wish for factory portals, factory pop up camper roof. Dumb down a D4 and stick it on live axles.

[debruiser]

I actually like the same stuff, simple is good!

dislikes I have to disagree though, I find the defender pretty comphy to drive, although 1 more notch on the seat adjustment would be great (rearward of course). I don't mind the dash....

Now your talking! factory portals and camper option! nice... :D

And as others have said - I have mine, and it's very rebuildable (as long as they keep making the parts for it) so I"m all good!

Saw a guy trying to sell a 2004 D90 for $25K the other day, it was in good nick. So I figure in 20 years I should be able to sell my 2013 D90 for good money as well :D

[Samblers]

I am not bothered, i have already got mine, and it is only going to go up in value :D

Don't bet on it.... like I said, if LR come up trumps with the next design ...

[87County]

[quote=Samblers;2168480]

Oops, double post

[87County]

Absolutely.

In answer to the original question, “is anyone bothered”?

Me!

I’d love for LR to continue making defenders for my personal convenience and continued enjoyment!

But I know that’s completely unsustainable.

I hope the New Defender is awesome and inspires us all.

I think there will be enough pre-99 110s and parts around to satisfy the desires of the remaining iconoclasts for the rest of their lives.

From reading the various threads here it would seem that quite a few owners of older 110s have a spare as well.

The current supply of late 80s ex-mil 110s will help this situation, particularly as those impulse buyers who now realise a need more comfort get tired of driving their purchase. :)

[Pickles2]

As the O.P., it appears to me, from the replies so far, that there is a lot more interest in the "older" Defenders, than the newer ones/Pumas etc.
Pickles.

[87County]

As the O.P., it appears to me, from the replies so far, that there is a lot more interest in the "older" Defenders, than the newer ones/Pumas etc.
Pickles.

Yep, Pickkles2, I think you could say from the tone of the thread, that part of your proposition in post#1 could be said to be confirmed (i.e. that there is minimal interest and few are bothered) :)

[Summiitt]

I look at it from a work/ commercial point of view, I normally buy a new ute at 130-150k, hold onto the old one and give it to one of my workers to drive.. The truth is for the price I could buy a triton/Amarok/ dmax for $31k and it will be fine for up to 120-150km..but... My 98 tdi has 560,000km, my 03 td5 has 310,000km and I've had 2 puma 130s... Remember these utes are at 3200kg-3500+kg from the day I drive them out of the dealer and are in off road/forestry applications. I've just bought an Amarok tray top for one of the guys, so it will be interesting to see how it holds up. If the new defender has in any way lost what it's meant to be, I will be going straight to an American ute, in the form of an F350 or similar.. But I hope landrover remember their commercial/ agricultural background and provide a ute to suit..

[dullbird]

Threads Merged

[mox]

I wonder what LR will do with the tooling, etc for Defenders when production ends in UK. Maybe with Tata owning it now, could be taken to India. Probably with low labour costs, could be produced economically for several years for markets that still want it - maybe including some military organisations.


Maybe one precedent is the John Deere 730 tractor. the second largest of the last models with the 180 degree twin cylinder motor layout JD had used for 40 years. When these were replaced with multi cylinder conventional layout like other makers used in about 1960, tooling was sent to Argentina where production continued for another 10 years. They were a more idiot proof tractor than most others. Also, with this motor, which appeared to many of antiquated design, they held the record for the most fuel efficient tractor according to Nebraska tests for many years. Main reason for this is probably that with two large cylinders, less surface area in them relative to swept volume and the need to keep these surface temperatures down causes loss in thermal efficiency.

[dullbird]

Just so you guys know.....

there are are a number of threads relating to the defender ending..so I'm going to be merging them all into one thread...

and then I will change the heading to all discussions relating to the end of defender production..

I will then sticky it in this section...at the top of the page

[mox]

There is still a Defender clone being produced. Wonder for how much longer. Maybe only made in Left hand drive and sanctions could probably make new ones difficult for Australians to obtain. Check www.morattab.ir (http://www.morattab.ir) Then you need to look around for a Union Jack to click on unless able to understand the written Persian Language. It uses the Arabic alphabet, which is read from right to left and with 4 extra letters.


Morattab has been producing Defender look alikes in Iran for many years. They originally obtained tooling from Santana in Spain. It produced Land Rovers under licence for a long time. then continued independently. The Santana PS10 could effectively have been described as a Series 4 Land Rover. They did not use coil springs or constant 4WD. Then this was superseded by the Iveco Massif, with a similar overall shaped body but apparently produced by current conventional means. However, the company more recently suffered disappointing sales, considerable financial losses and was closed down. I wonder if would be customers would have preferred the old model. Maybe a reason for LR to continue production of present Defender in parallel with new one for a while, as Series 3's were continued concurrently for a while with Countys.


Note that the Morattab Defender clone is now known as a Herour. Not sure what differences from long running Morattab Pazhan, other than now a diesel engine is available. Presumably motor is sourced from Japan or Korea or at least built from design from there. as former V6 petrol was. Defender enthusiasts should find looking at Morattab Herour specifications interesting.

[PAT303]

I look at it from a work/ commercial point of view, I normally buy a new ute at 130-150k, hold onto the old one and give it to one of my workers to drive.. The truth is for the price I could buy a triton/Amarok/ dmax for $31k and it will be fine for up to 120-150km..but... My 98 tdi has 560,000km, my 03 td5 has 310,000km and I've had 2 puma 130s... Remember these utes are at 3200kg-3500+kg from the day I drive them out of the dealer and are in off road/forestry applications. I've just bought an Amarok tray top for one of the guys, so it will be interesting to see how it holds up. If the new defender has in any way lost what it's meant to be, I will be going straight to an American ute, in the form of an F350 or similar.. But I hope landrover remember their commercial/ agricultural background and provide a ute to suit..

I always like reading your posts,they provide proof of how hard working all three defenders models,Tdi,Td5 and TDCi are. Pat

[Dougal]

There is still a Defender clone being produced. Wonder for how much longer. Maybe only made in Left hand drive and sanctions could probably make new ones difficult for Australians to obtain. Check www.morattab.ir (http://www.morattab.ir) Then you need to look around for a Union Jack to click on unless able to understand the written Persian Language. It uses the Arabic alphabet, which is read from right to left and with 4 extra letters.


Morattab has been producing Defender look alikes in Iran for many years. They originally obtained tooling from Santana in Spain. It produced Land Rovers under licence for a long time. then continued independently. The Santana PS10 could effectively have been described as a Series 4 Land Rover. They did not use coil springs or constant 4WD. Then this was superseded by the Iveco Massif, with a similar overall shaped body but apparently produced by current conventional means. However, the company more recently suffered disappointing sales, considerable financial losses and was closed down. I wonder if would be customers would have preferred the old model. Maybe a reason for LR to continue production of present Defender in parallel with new one for a while, as Series 3's were continued concurrently for a while with Countys.


Note that the Morattab Defender clone is now known as a Herour. Not sure what differences from long running Morattab Pazhan, other than now a diesel engine is available. Presumably motor is sourced from Japan or Korea or at least built from design from there. as former V6 petrol was. Defender enthusiasts should find looking at Morattab Herour specifications interesting.

Intresting. Front diff is on the left, rear diff is centred. Obviously no driveline parts interchange with landrover.

[mox]

Dougal, maybe one driveline component from the current Morattab Herour which could be adapted to fit Defenders is the Salisbury Dana type rear axle. Need to change the crown wheel and pinion though because ratio is different. I wonder if Land Rover would have actually saved money by keeping them in Defenders for the last 12 or so years instead of the replacements which must have cost a fortune in warranty claims.

[dullbird]

Sorry to anyone reading through this thread from the beginning there has been a number of threads merged. So at the beginning of the thread it may seem like some posts don't make sense with others, this is because the merging puts all posts in date order...despite which thread they have come from...

As this topic is going to be discussed more and more as the date moves closer I thought it would be much better to have a central point to talk about it rather than different threads popping up all over the joint....

[Mammalalien]

There is still a Defender clone being produced. Wonder for how much longer. Maybe only made in Left hand drive and sanctions could probably make new ones difficult for Australians to obtain. Check www.morattab.ir (http://www.morattab.ir) Then you need to look around for a Union Jack to click on unless able to understand the written Persian Language. It uses the Arabic alphabet, which is read from right to left and with 4 extra letters.


Morattab has been producing Defender look alikes in Iran for many years. They originally obtained tooling from Santana in Spain. It produced Land Rovers under licence for a long time. then continued independently. The Santana PS10 could effectively have been described as a Series 4 Land Rover. They did not use coil springs or constant 4WD. Then this was superseded by the Iveco Massif, with a similar overall shaped body but apparently produced by current conventional means. However, the company more recently suffered disappointing sales, considerable financial losses and was closed down. I wonder if would be customers would have preferred the old model. Maybe a reason for LR to continue production of present Defender in parallel with new one for a while, as Series 3's were continued concurrently for a while with Countys.


Note that the Morattab Defender clone is now known as a Herour. Not sure what differences from long running Morattab Pazhan, other than now a diesel engine is available. Presumably motor is sourced from Japan or Korea or at least built from design from there. as former V6 petrol was. Defender enthusiasts should find looking at Morattab Herour specifications interesting.
That's hilarious. They have even plagiarized the Vista-era Windows Media Player interface on their website.

The Defender actually makes pretty good sense as an enthusiast kit-car. You can basically replace everything on it with a couple of spanners and a rivet gun. They are also much more hand-assembled than modern cars.

[juddy]

ScreenShot2014-06-29at11606pm_zpsd02b9ac9.png Photo by juddyburton | Photobucket

[Pickles2]

Well, "time is marching on", & although some Defender models are no longer available, I haven't noticed any change in new or used pricing,..still some good prices in both.
I reckon if anyone's only even thinking about a new one, with the final date of production being 20/12/15, & the fact that it takes an order around 6 months to get here, ya'd really want to be getting serious now. The reason I say that is that IMHO, there will definitely be a last minute "surge" in buyers wanting something they'll not be able to get in the future, there'll be a few special editions etc, so who knows how long it will be before the Defender order bank at Solihull is full, before orders "close"?,......and also how long it will be before Aussie Dealers start ramping up the price for vehicles that are "no longer available"?
Pickles.

[dullbird]

I reckon the "Special Editions" will go for a motza as well

[Pickles2]

During a visit to my Dealer the other day, I was talking to the Sales Manager, who told me that Defender orders were now restricted and that they were only able to order one new Defender per month.
Any other similar feedback from other Dealers?
Pickles.

[goingbush]

There will always be niche Defender manufacturers.

Urban Warrior anyone ?? .. but 700HP :eek:

Vehicle Manufacturer Woodstock, ON (http://www.urbanwarrior4x4.com/?gclid=CK-wsPPHhcECFYJ8vQodQ7gAgA)

[CS78]

When enquiring about ordering a defender I asked the sales man about a cut off date for orders and was told that they have not been advised on when that would be. Seems to be conflicting information out there??

[Pickles2]

When enquiring about ordering a defender I asked the sales man about a cut off date for orders and was told that they have not been advised on when that would be. Seems to be conflicting information out there??
No, I don't think there's any "conflicting info". No cut off date has been advised as yet, but some models are no longer available,...you can still order what is available, but how long "it" will be available, is the question, as production will definitely finish 20/12/15.
Pickles.

[rgty_kmj]

I talked to the dealer here in Hamilton, NZ yesterday. They too said that they are allowed 1 per month.

Kerry

[DiscoMick]

Haven't read all this thread, so apologies if this has already been covered, but I recently read a media report which said only the 90 was stopping production in December 2015 and the 110 may continue until 2017.
Anyone know if that is true?

[AndyG]

201215 last current defender rolls down the line,

[Pickles2]

Well, despite defender production ending in 2015, I don't see any increase in demand, or people trying to buy a Defender "while they can".
I was at our Dealer's this week, & they had a few 90s,...new, demo, & a used one,...unsold. Also had what is reported to be the last new 110 HCPU on the floor,..unsold.
Maybe this is just one reason why Defender's (current one anyway!) production is coming to an end,...demand is simply not there, except for enthusiasts?
Pickles.

[Darkhorse72]

Well, despite defender production ending in 2015, I don't see any increase in demand, or people trying to buy a Defender "while they can".
I was at our Dealer's this week, & they had a few 90s,...new, demo, & a used one,...unsold. Also had what is reported to be the last new 110 HCPU on the floor,..unsold.
Maybe this is just one reason why Defender's (current one anyway!) production is coming to an end,...demand is simply not there, except for enthusiasts?
Pickles.

I think that is spot on. The defender is aimed at a niche market and the complete lack of promotion and advertising by Landrover on the product reflects this. I was told get in the 2nd hand market is drying up etc. But people will sell and buy the model as they have always done. In saying that I would like a new one, but just won't have the funds till next year, so the longer new models hang around the better :)

[Don 130]

To be sure.

I had a twinge of nostalgia the other day and contemplated buying a Mini Moke. I had one in the 70's. After a bit of research I realised that I hadn't bargained on paying around $20,000 for one now so that twinge passed. :(

I suppose that when things move on then so should we.

Iota, you don't have to move on yet, There's still hope.

Mini Moke-Mini Moke Manufacturers, Suppliers and Exporters on Alibaba.comNew Cars (http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=mini+moke)

Don.

[stewie110]

Well, despite defender production ending in 2015, I don't see any increase in demand, or people trying to buy a Defender "while they can".
I was at our Dealer's this week, & they had a few 90s,...new, demo, & a used one,...unsold. Also had what is reported to be the last new 110 HCPU on the floor,..unsold.
Maybe this is just one reason why Defender's (current one anyway!) production is coming to an end,...demand is simply not there, except for enthusiasts?
Pickles.

Depends where you are. We ordered a new 110 today from our local land rover dealership for delivery may 2015. While at the dealership two other people walked in and both went straight to the defender..

The good news is that my 2 year old son knows what "car" means.. he walks straight past all the other cars to a Defender 90 :)
I know so far I am doing something right..

[seaweed]

Hi Stewie, Congrats, did you manage yet to get a build date in 2015 for your 110. Ordered a 2015 build 90 six weeks ago in Queensland and still waiting for a build date. Cheers.....

[AussieAub]

Well, despite defender production ending in 2015, I don't see any increase in demand, or people trying to buy a Defender "while they can".

That's the EXACT reason I bought mine a few months back!
And loving it..... :D:D

[benji]

I must admit being disappointed that I couldn't afford a defer before they went out of production.

The second hand market will now be fierce.
Sent from my GT-I9305T using AULRO mobile app

[old bloke]

Thought that seeing I started my "licensed" driving in a SWB Series IIA that I might as well finish it in the latest 90 Series 3013 Defender.

After all the Nissans and Toyotas along the way it was almost back to basics but considerably flasher that the first one.

If we don't buys the toys we want why are we working for most of our lives?

[AussieAub]

If we don't buys the toys we want why are we working for most of our lives?

To pay off the mortgage! :mad:

[LouisW]

I ordered a 90 4 months ago & its arriving feb 2015 (already have spent $8 000 on Extras) can't wait.

BTW I had one is S-Africa and there it was custom to greet other Landy 110 90 &130 / Defender drivers. is this also custom in Australia? -

[Loubrey]

I ordered a 90 4 months ago & its arriving feb 2015 (already have spent $8 000 on Extras) can't wait.

BTW I had one is S-Africa and there it was custom to greet other Landy 110 90 &130 / Defender drivers. is this also custom in Australia? -

Certainly is... Not completely the right thread, but welcome.

Cheers,

Lou

[AndyG]

My only regret is i got an MY15 110 and not a 130, not sure why, except there is MORE Defender.

[Pickles2]

Have just learned unconfirmed reports that three "special edition" Defender Models are to be released in the UK within the next 24hrs?!..They are Heritage, Adventure, & Autobiography( only the later said to have 150kw?), 1080 of them in total, suupposedly only for the UK market?
Hopefully there'll be more details very shortly.
Pickles.

[cripesamighty]

I found these links which are a selection of a bunch that are now popping up. The Autobiography version has 148bhp which is around 110kw.

Land Rover Defender special editions revealed | Carbuyer (http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/146033/land-rover-defender-special-editions-revealed)

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/special-land-rover-defenders-announced-final-year

[AndyG]

Have just learned unconfirmed reports that three "special edition" Defender Models are to be released in the UK within the next 24hrs?!..They are Heritage, Adventure, & Autobiography( only the later said to have 150kw?), 1080 of them in total, suupposedly only for the UK market?
Hopefully there'll be more details very shortly.
Pickles.

1080 in homage to the poison, :confused::confused:

[Jeff]

Land Rover have just released details about three 'farewell' limited edition Defenders.

Land Rover announces final year of celebration for long-serving Defender - Birmingham Post (http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/land-rover-announces-final-year-8394054)

Or:

Land Rover launches three limited edition Defenders - Practical Motoring (http://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-news/land-rover-launches-three-limited-edition-defenders/)

Jeff

:rocket:

[YOLO110]

Cool! :>))

I bet there will be a hefty premium for any of these here in OZ!

My local dealer has ordered 5 MY15's already... he reckons there will be a big rush this year to grab a 'newt' before they all go!

[nat_89]

Land Rover Defender : Final year of production kicks off with special edition twins (http://www.caradvice.com.au/328506/land-rover-defender-final-year-of-production-kicks-off-with-special-edition-twins/)

Another article on them they look great!!

[Pickles2]

Mods should move this thread. They said all threads relating to Defender finish/final editions etc etc, should go under the one thread, which is where I posted earlier today advising of not TWO editions, but THREE, including the Autobiography with extra power.
So, should these be all in the one place, or not?
Pickles.

[Avion8]

I like the look of the Heritage range, but reckon they should have extended that grill to a lights behind the grill design. Only 400 of these going to be available. Hmmm think I need a new 110, maybe sell the house:cool:

[AndyG]

Not terribly impressed, glad i got what i got when i did.

Now if they had bought out a Camel Trophy replica or similar, or even Tomb Raider, then ........

[isuzurover]

The "heritage" model should have had some driving/spot lights mounted behind the grille.

All of them seem very overpriced though...

[Samblers]

I think these last editions look awesome.

BUT

I predict a glut of current Puma Defenders on the market once the 2016 Defender is released. :p

Buy your current model Defender to drive it, not as an investment ;)

[Tombie]

Not terribly impressed, glad i got what i got when i did.



Now if they had bought out a Camel Trophy replica or similar, or even Tomb Raider, then ........


Had one... These are better :)

[The ho har's]

Oh to own the Heritage edition. Where did you find prices Ben?

Mrs hh:angel:

[Bushie]

At current exchange $116000+

I don't think so


Martyn

[Loubrey]

The "heritage" model should have had some driving/spot lights mounted behind the grille.

All of them seem very overpriced though...

Copy & Paste from the Post article...

The Autobiography Edition promises more performance, luxury and comfort, thanks to its extensive equipment list and a power upgrade.

The Heritage Edition is inspired by early Land Rover models and has distinctive Grasmere Green paintwork and a contrasting white roof. It features a heritage grille and HUE 166 graphics, recalling the registration plate of the first ever pre-production Land Rover nicknamed ?Huey?.

The Adventure Edition is aimed at Land Rover customers who embrace the Defender's ?go anywhere? attitude. It comes with additional underbody protection and special Goodyear MT/R tyres to boost all-terrain capability.

Prices range from 27,800 (GBP) to 61,845 (GBP).

Going with that the Autobiography could be around $135,000 AUD with Luxury Car Tax at today's exchange rate...

Cheers,

Lou

[isuzurover]

Oh to own the Heritage edition. Where did you find prices Ben?

Mrs hh:angel:

The link in the other thread has the pricing by model:

Sitting high above the other two in the range is the ?61,845 Defender Autobiography five-door, ...

Taking a more rugged approach to the Defender experience is the Adventure Edition. ...Land Rover will build 600 examples, priced from ?43,495.


Finally, there's the Heritage Edition, ... It's priced from ?27,800, 400 examples will be built and buyers can choose from three or five-door models.

Read more: Land Rover Defender special editions revealed | Carbuyer Land Rover Defender special editions revealed | Carbuyer (http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/146033/land-rover-defender-special-editions-revealed#ixzz3O7eUhr3n)

[The ho har's]

$49,500.00 for the Heritage at current exchange rates :D

HH told me KNOW :mad:

Mrs hh:angel:

[ozy013]

Land Rover will not kill off much-loved Defender after all with plans to build 4x4 abroad | This is Money (http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2899334/Land-Rover-not-kill-loved-Defender-plans-build-4x4-abroad.html)

More rumours? Who knows, but it might make up for these limited editions being only available in the EU.

[Tombie]

Land Rover will not kill off much-loved Defender after all with plans to build 4x4 abroad | This is Money (http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2899334/Land-Rover-not-kill-loved-Defender-plans-build-4x4-abroad.html)

More rumours? Who knows, but it might make up for these limited editions being only available in the EU.

Except we are getting 2 of them!

Adventure and Heritage are coming here.

Only the Autobiography is staying in the UK - it's $114,000 AUD by the way

[Loubrey]

Tombie,

It's unfortunately not just a direct conversion on the exchange rate...

Compare the price of a standard 2015 Australian Spec 90 with a UK mid level spec 90's price (closest comparison) and you'll be quite surprised how much more we pay for what would be pretty basic spec in the UK.

LCT, delivery cost etc would make the Autobiography 110 closer to $135,000 if they brought it here, hence not a viable option...

Cheers,

Lou

[Pickles2]

Have just learned unconfirmed reports that three "special edition" Defender Models are to be released in the UK within the next 24hrs?!..They are Heritage, Adventure, & Autobiography( only the later said to have 150kw?), 1080 of them in total, suupposedly only for the UK market?
Hopefully there'll be more details very shortly.
Pickles.
I made a boo boo, Autobiography has 150...H.P., not 150.....K.W.!, unfortunately.
Pickles.

[Samblers]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/977.jpg

[ozy013]

Except we are getting 2 of them!

Adventure and Heritage are coming here.

Only the Autobiography is staying in the UK - it's $114,000 AUD by the way

Thanks Tombie, the Heritage is certainly my favourite, and at $49,500.00, oh so tempting.

I never thought I'd see the day that a Defender would attract a Luxury Car Tax, now there's a contradiction in terms. How can they justify that much for a Defender? Thanks Lou.

The Autobiography will probably get snapped up by all the Premier League Footballers anyhow.

[EastFreo]

This has probably been discussed before but I was was wondering what would be a good alternate name for the new Defender?

My thinking was prompted by a book I was reading where Richard of York back in the War of the Roses was the "Protector and Defender of the Realm".

Anyway, to start it off what about the "Protector". Similar enough concept to the Defender and if you go back almost 600 years there is an historical connection.

[wrinklearthur]

Plastic?
.

[JDNSW]

This has probably been discussed before but I was was wondering what would be a good alternate name for the new Defender?

My thinking was prompted by a book I was reading where Richard of York back in the War of the Roses was the "Protector and Defender of the Realm".

Anyway, to start it off what about the "Protector". Similar enough concept to the Defender and if you go back almost 600 years there is an historical connection.

The term 'protector', or more precisely 'Lord Protector' has been permanently removed from likely names because of its historic association with religious extremism, regicide, and military rule.

John

[Moon]

The Inferior?

[wrinklearthur]

The term 'protector', or more precisely 'Lord Protector' has been permanently removed from likely names because of its historic association with religious extremism, regicide, and military rule.

Thanks John for the memory refresh. :)

It might not be a name for the new model but I had forgotten that word.

regicide

noun
1.
the killing of a king.
2.
a person who kills a king or is responsible for his death, especially one of the judges who condemned Charles I of England to death.

.

[wrinklearthur]

Regalia.

Continuing with the Royal theme.

noun;

1. the emblems or insignia of royalty, especially the crown, sceptre, and other ornaments used at a coronation.

2. the distinctive clothing worn and ornaments carried at formal occasions as an indication of status.
.

[spudfan]

" PHOENIX"
As in from the ashes of etc etc.....

[Mjt084]

How about Defender? Would people feel that the new vehicle was cashing in on the history of the previous incarnation or would it be seen a nice link to the past?

[AndyG]

If the Defender was the Series IV in all but name ?
then
Series V

[Rurover]

My two bob's worth...
How about "Commander"?
Fits with the military theme and has a link with the fact that Land Rovers have been used by Commandos in various armies around the world.

Alan

[Larry]

My two bob's worth...
How about "Commander"?
Fits with the military theme and has a link with the fact that Land Rovers have been used by Commandos in various armies around the world.

Alan
Already in use. ;)
2006-2014 Jeep Commander Reviews - ProductReview.com.au (http://www.productreview.com.au/p/jeep-commander-2006-present.html)

[Bess]

I have been thinking on this for a while & it's not as easy as one might think, any whooo what about " Dragoon" for mounted infantry.
Regards Chris

[Landybitz]

Not sure if anyones posted the New Video with the land roves on the beach?

Very good bit of video.

[Avion8]

Nice video of 2015 Defenders in build:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvvWqE2ki8&feature=share

[AndyG]

Defender

Defender II

[skidrov]

Nice video of 2015 Defenders in build:


Now THAT should be in consideration for the Best Film Oscar. :p

I also like the way you saw the water-spray test BUT there was no scene showing the review/rectification area... I guess that was either a) there isn't such an area, which would explain a lot of problems owners have reported :p or b) they didn't want to show the opening of the doors and 4,000 litres running out.... :wasntme:

Seriously, given it's the end of an era, that video's a keeper - I imagine it will be hauled out 50 years from now, on half-century end-of-production remembrances.

[Samblers]

Great video, thanks for posting

Highlights the high level of hand-assembly and surprisingly low level of automation - a true motoring relic

[YOLO110]

Nice video of 2015 Defenders in build:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvvWqE2ki8&feature=share

That is a GREAT video mate, many thanks for posting it! :)

They look great 'lowered' (no wheels on) eh!

It is easy to see why they are so expensive to build... all those processes and hands on building... Such a shame production is ceasing...

My silver and black one is there too!!!

Amazing cars! :cool:

Pete :)

[Avion8]

I also like the way you saw the water-spray test BUT there was no scene showing the review/rectification area... I guess that was either a) there isn't such an area, which would explain a lot of problems owners have reported :p or b) they didn't want to show the opening of the doors and 4,000 litres running out.... :wasntme:

This made me laugh until my sides hurt. My 2000 TD5 110 leaks so bad that water does come out of the doors when I open them. Just lucky we live in WA where it hasn't rained since early November:D

[voltron]

Almost made me want to not sell my Defender.:(

[51mondays]

Nice video of 2015 Defenders in build:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvvWqE2ki8&feature=share







yeah great insight into what goes on in there. it seems peaceful

[AndyG]

I was expecting to see some Ompah Lompahs

[Pickles2]

Just read a post on the UK Def 11 forum from a JLR Rep that the DATE OF FINAL ORDER" in the UK is 26th June 2015.
With the way Dealer ordering takes place from here, I'd say our date would be somewhat before.
Don't leave it too late!! Pickles.

[LouisW]

Not sure if this disclosure of info is of any help or relevance. But I order my 90 Black edition in September 14. It was meant to be landing in Oz first week Feb. Landrover UK postponed manufacturing to Jan 15 and delivery is now expected in March.

I am considering ordering 2 landys and selling them at a premuim after the orders are closed.

For those of you who know the market value of Landy's and the industry. Out of intrest what effect do you believe the ending of production will have on the 2hand value, or has this already been built in to the market as production ending is old news.

[Loubrey]

Unlikely to jump significantly in the first 5 years or so. If you have the capital to "time capsule" one for 10 years I believe it would be a pretty good investment.

Cheers,

Lou

[Pickles2]

Values in the future?....Who knows,..it'd be just a guestimate.
However, whilst Defender production is ending this year, there are still very good discounted deals to be done, & I have seen no increase in used values, and I've also noticed used Defenders for sale at what I would consider reasonable pricing, & many aren't selling.
So, I don't see any real change, frankly there isn't the demand,...except from enthusiasts,.....like us.
Pickles.

[YOLO110]

Straight talking! ;)

Probably accurate too! :)

[scarry]

Unlikely to jump significantly in the first 5 years or so. If you have the capital to "time capsule" one for 10 years I believe it would be a pretty good investment.

Cheers,

Lou

Having one sitting around for 10yrs presumably registered and insured,plus servicing etc,would add up a good few dollars over 10yrs.Plus you could put the cash to good use elsewhere.

I doubt there are to many $ to be made,but who really knows.

A series vehicle today is not worth big $,if that has any relationship to what a defender will be worth years on?

[Loubrey]

I did say "time capsuled" which implies on blocks, electrics disconnected, fluids mostly drained and hermetically sealed in a container. Not used, registered or even serviced

An early Series 3 with 36,000 miles genuine recently sold for 21,000 GBP in Huddersfield in the UK. That's nearly 20 times what it cost new accumulated over 35 years.

Buy a 90 now for $45,000 and your kids or grand kids might have a $900,000 nest egg locked in a container to be cashed in in 2050...

[LouisW]

You could buy a share (piece of paper you will never see) sit on it for 10 years and then it may be worth something /nothing or a lot- no effort but so what.

You could do what Lou suggest and 10 years later you have a landy, you or some enthusiast can enjoy. Now youmay find a 25 year old billionaire thats become an enthusiast. Damnit... you have a predicament on your hands...... keep your new Landy that only cost you $50k in 2015 or .....do you test the billionaires ego? Either way (provided this is not your retirement plan) it's going to be fun.

[scarry]

I did say "time capsuled" which implies on blocks, electrics disconnected, fluids mostly drained and hermetically sealed in a container. Not used, registered or even serviced

An early Series 3 with 36,000 miles genuine recently sold for 21,000 GBP in Huddersfield in the UK. That's nearly 20 times what it cost new accumulated over 35 years.

Buy a 90 now for $45,000 and your kids or grand kids might have a $900,000 nest egg locked in a container to be cashed in in 2050...

All high in the clouds,crystal ball, hypothetical stuff there.

in 2050,$900000 may just buy you maybe a can of coke;)

Anyway,each to there own,good luck.

[Wolfman_TWP]

It's funny that everyone is talking about the value of a new Defender. My dealer where I am buying my 110 from, said this morning that they will triple in value in the next 3-5 years.. Due to the manufacture ending this year..

Wolf

[Pickles2]

"Triple In Value"?.....I don't thnk so!
Pickles.

[LouisW]

Defenders have a Cult following and in 20 years they will be worth more than they are today (especially well looked after original ones with low mileage). I will also be very surprised if one with less than 50 000 km delivers a lower return than money in a bank at 4% pa. Over the same period.

[loneranger]

It's funny that everyone is talking about the value of a new Defender. My dealer where I am buying my 110 from, said this morning that they will triple in value in the next 3-5 years.. Due to the manufacture ending this year..

Wolf

Do they have excess stock?:p

[Wolfman_TWP]

Do they have excess stock?:p
Not that I know of. I guess they said that because of the large number they sold over the last two months.. (Around 9 of them, 10 if you include mine :D) When I went to this dealer two weeks ago, they had 3 D90's and a D130. When I went back a week later they only had the D130 left :o.

Wolf

[AndyG]

Defenders have a Cult following and in 20 years they will be worth more than they are today (especially well looked after original ones with low mileage). I will also be very surprised if one with less than 50 000 km delivers a lower return than money in a bank at 4% pa. Over the same period.

Um maybe my SMSF needs to diversiy it's portfolio :angel: , and when I carck it, my yet to be conceived grandson could inherit it, ;)

Imagine a mint D130 in 2045

4 0/0 I wish 😳

[LouisW]

My dealer today had 3 on the floor no range rovers and Disco's. He told me sales on the defender has picked up ther is no stampede to the door but. Buyers who have never owned Defenders have come out the wood work. And generally people who see this as the last opportunity to buy one. listening to him my assessments sales have doubled

[Samblers]

"...buy these magic beans, in a year they'll be worth twice what they are now, you'll be RICH!..."

[Pickles2]

My dealer today had 3 on the floor no range rovers and Disco's. He told me sales on the defender has picked up ther is no stampede to the door but. Buyers who have never owned Defenders have come out the wood work. And generally people who see this as the last opportunity to buy one. listening to him my assessments sales have doubled
G'Day Lou.
For sure I reckon there would have to be increased interest.
I've been saying for a while, (and of course I've got no "official" info), that as 20/12/15 draws closer, and as final order dates will be well before that, that people should order now, if they don't want to miss out, particularly if ya want special colours, and maybe some factory fitted options.
It won't be too long I reckon, before the dreaded message comes through, "No more orders". That doesn't mean that ya won't be able to buy a new one, but it does mean that ya won't be able to specially order "yours", ya'll just have to take what Dealers have in stock,......until there's no more left!
Interesting times ahead, Pickles.

[LouisW]

You missing my point I never said this is a get quick rich sceam. Do some research on what is happening in the US market where they are no longer available and have not been for quite some time. And reach you own conclusions.

Here is your lead ...go investigate for yourself , in the USA car cost half the price they do in OZ yet rebuilt early 1990's defender sell for up $ 120k -$ 140k. And draw you own conclusions. This will not happen over night in OZ. And nobody knows where it at end up. I certainly don't.

[Pickles2]

You missing my point I never said this is a get quick rich sceam. Do some research on what is happening in the US market where they are no longer available and have not been for quite some time. And reach you own conclusions.

Here is your lead ...go investigate for yourself , in the USA car cost half the price they do in OZ yet rebuilt early 1990's defender sell for up $ 120k -$ 140k. And draw you own conclusions. This will not happen over night in OZ. And nobody knows where it at end up. I certainly don't.
In replying to your post I confused you with distinguished poster "Loubrey"!
Anyway, having got over that little detail it would be good if you could explain what you mean by "Missing My Point".
I'm aware of some of the pricing in the U.S.A., much of which is well below $120/140 U.S. that you speak of, but I agree, there are some outrageous prices being paid over there, albeit on a very limited basis, by a few very rich enthusiasts,...& good luck to them.
Pickles.
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[Avion8]

Another nice article concerning the Defender production ending:

BBC - Autos - Land Rover Defender's last stand (http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20150204-land-rover-defenders-last-stand)

I particularly like this statement: "loyal and uncomplicated as a dog".:D

[LouisW]

Pickles2. And I was referring to Samblers comment about magic beans :)

20 years from now these discussions would have been forgotten and no one knows today what they will be worth then.

[Pickles2]

Pickles2. And I was referring to Samblers comment about magic beans :)

20 years from now these discussions would have been forgotten and no one knows today what they will be worth then.
Aahh, right.
Yes, and you're right, no-one really knows. Some cars ya think will go well don't, & some of the most unlikely ones skyrocket.
My own view is that Defenders will, as they always have, hold their value very well, and low K original examples, probably a bit more so in the future, but I wouldn't want my super resting on 'em.
Pickles.

[loneranger]

While you could drain the fluids and put one up on blocks could you really resist the urge to not use it for its intended purpose.

We bought a 110 to set up in a few years as a touring rig. Within 6 months we had sold our Dmax which was setup for touring and bought a 90 for our city car.

The 110 is now parked up whilst I madly fit bits to it to try and get it ready to our standards for our next trip at Easter. In the meantime the 90 which was only going to be used as a city car has already had its first holiday and been off-road. :D

[jimr1]

I suppose what there value will be some time in the future is anyones guess . I do think that people buying them just because there running out , and have never had a defender before , could find themselves disappointed . Of course not all will , but lets face It , they are a small truck . I think you all know what I mean . Now if the replacement Defender is what Land Rover hope It will be , and they get It right , them maybe we will see the current defender prices fall away to low values . Interesting times ahead !!.. Jim ;)

[tact]

I suppose what there value will be some time in the future is anyones guess . I do think that people buying them just because there running out , and have never had a defender before , could find themselves disappointed . Of course not all will , but lets face It , they are a small truck .


Totally agree Jim. One of my acquaintances fits that bill exactly. Had lost contact for a year or so - then one day while family and I are waving at a passing new defender dual cab we realize its that friend driving.

Total surprise that he of all people would buy a defender. Met up over coffee a week later. Told me he bought as they are a "real man's car", going out of production, and a worthy investment.

The vehicle is now on the market, a year old, 12,000km, never been offroad. I suspect the reason is disappointment in the vehicle. The mystique and image of the vehicle that led to a buying decision could not overpower the reality once "mystique" was removed from the equation.

[Loubrey]

The vehicle is now on the market, a year old, 12,000km, never been offroad. I suspect the reason is disappointment in the vehicle. The mystique and image of the vehicle that led to a buying decision could not overpower the reality once "mystique" was removed from the equation.

This is not a new thing at all... Back in the 1990's everyone thought buying and driving a Defender would automatically turn you into the "Camel Man" riding on the lore of the Camel Trophy.

They are unique cars only suitable to a very narrow niche market and unless your reason for buying one is a deep rooted love for Land Rovers, you are almost guaranteed to be "disappointed". People doing this has fed the second hand market for the past 30 odd years and and I say let them realise a real man's car doesn't suit them if that's what it takes.

Real men drive Defenders, but buying one doesn't automatically turn you into a "real man". :D

Apologies to the female members as this is certainly not a chauvinistic rant, just making a point that you need to suit a Defender before a Defender will suit you!

Cheers,

Lou

[DiscoMick]

I bought the latest Land Rover Owner International which has a good write up on the last Defenders mentioned above.
It also has a story saying the TDCi 2.4 is a good one to buy since its likely to hold its value after the end of Defender production, so I'm obviously pleased about that.
As for the name of the replacement, I guess the name will reflect whatever they think is going to be the major market for the vehicle. They've already said they want to unseat the Hilux, so we can assume that is the market they will aim at.
Would 'Defender' work as a suitable name for a Hilux-buster? I'm not sure.

[CS78]

Has anyone here placed an order for a Defender and been given a time frame for delivery?