2016 'Defender'

[MrLandy]

People expect cars to be a lot of things now. Rugged enough to be a work horse, comfortable enough for long trips with the family, powerful and fuel efficient, reliable etc.

Sounds like the current Defender to me. But I doubt the JLR design team see it. And certainly not the penny pinchers.

Why not simply design the new underpinnings to fit an exact copy of the current body dimensions / form? Sure they could lose the rivets and update the manufacturing process, but it's the timeless form of Defender that just works. A new design within the current dimensions would be a dream project for me.

[cuppabillytea]

The current form isn't ideal though is it? I love it. You love it but really, it does have it's disadvantages.

[MrLandy]

The current form isn't ideal though is it? I love it. You love it but really, it does have it's disadvantages.

It's more ideal than anything else on the road cuppa. Is there any vehicle you think is more ideal than a Defender?

Everything has its faults. For me Defender has less design faults than any other vehicle available today. Perfection only exists in imperfection.

What are Defenders disadvantages over any other 4WD on the market today?

[cuppabillytea]

Well lets see. I wouldn't mind if the B pillar was 150mm further aft and the tops of the window 20mm higher. Perhaps another 20mm for my right elbow would be good too. Not much I know, but once you start changing things, where do you stop?
I think a whole new approach is necessary. After all a new approach doesn't have to mean a new philosophy.

[MrLandy]

Well lets see. I wouldn't mind if the B pillar was 150mm further aft and the tops of the window 20mm higher. Perhaps another 20mm for my right elbow would be good too. Not much I know, but once you start changing things, where do you stop?
I think a whole new approach is necessary. After all a new approach doesn't have to mean a new philosophy.

Hmm...I reckon a new philosophy - JLR glorified shopping trolley - is driving the new approach.

[cuppabillytea]

Hmm...I reckon a new philosophy - JLR glorified shopping trolley - is driving the new approach.
That would be a total waist of time. How many variations on the "Shopping Trolly" do they need to come up with? A new concept, old philosophy would sell more units if it was done with integrity and genuine ingenuity. Don't you think JLR is capable of that?

[MrLandy]

That would be a total waist of time. How many variations on the "Shopping Trolly" do they need to come up with? A new concept, old philosophy would sell more units if it was done with integrity and genuine ingenuity. Don't you think JLR is capable of that?

Nope.

[MrLandy]

A new concept, old philosophy would sell more units if it was done with integrity and genuine ingenuity.

But I totally agree... This is what's needed.

However they would have done it by now if they were capable. ...2019 now? Pffttt. They have no idea what to do.

[DiscoMick]

Sounds like the current Defender to me. But I doubt the JLR design team see it. And certainly not the penny pinchers.

Why not simply design the new underpinnings to fit an exact copy of the current body dimensions / form? Sure they could lose the rivets and update the manufacturing process, but it's the timeless form of Defender that just works. A new design within the current dimensions would be a dream project for me.

It wouldn't pass the crash tests because it doesn't crumple enough to absorb impacts, so the forces hit the occupants instead.

Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app

[MrLandy]

It wouldn't pass the crash tests because it doesn't crumple enough to absorb impacts, so the forces hit the occupants instead.

Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app

D4 is a box on wheels with crumple zones. Why not shape one to the exact dimensions of a Defender, with extra heavy duty components?

[rar110]

Selling 10,000 vehicles per year in this segment is not enough for JLR. They want 100,000 sales per year with the new Defender. Just like they achieved with the new Discovery Sport.

[ramblingboy42]

In all seriousness , the current crop of 4wd wagons and utes all meet the general public perception of what a family 4wd should be.

If Land Rover want a decent slice of that market....which it has to be to be for JLR to stay in it...they need to be able to produce a more affordable...and no new Landrover really fits that description....vehicle which outright competes pricewise with all of the others.....then you will see something.

I know a lot of will disagree , but I know a lot cockies who have Toyotas...mostly utes....because there IS NOTHING ELSE anywhere near the price....nothing.

Most of these people are my age and grew up in Land Rovers and quite openly say if Land Rover had a hilux around the same price they would buy it tomorrow. None of them have bought a Land Rover product of any sort for 20 years because they are $20,000 dearer at basic levels....they can almost buy 2 Hiluxes for the price of one Land Rover that does the equivalent job.

That's not economics for the farmer. It's not for me either , that's why I currently own a Ford Ranger, which I bought brand new last year for $28,000.

please don't misconstrue this post as an anti Land Rover post , as I'm trying to illustrate where I see Land Rover should place the new Defender....maybe that's why it's taking so long to get it right.

[juddy]

Good points ramblingboy42.

What was surprising is LR stating the new Defender would sit between D4 and RRS, if that was the case then its going to be 100K here. I cant see why they would do that not with all the other Bling in between.

[tact]

The needs of customers have changed though, and so too have expectations of comfort, refinement and versatility. People expect cars to be a lot of things now. Rugged enough to be a work horse, comfortable enough for long trips with the family, powerful and fuel efficient, reliable etc.

To design the new Defender to meet just one of those needs (as was the case with the original) just wouldn't work today. It'll need to do a lot of things well if they're going to reach their 70,000 units/year target.

I don't think versatility takes away from the purity of the Defender name, as long as it can still do the important things as well as the original.

Spot on!

And where it comes to driver comfort and utilitarian "no footwells, hose it out interior, muddy boots and pants welcome inside" - yet still pleasing to the eye interiors.... One need not look further than the cab of so many modern trucks and earthmovers! These machines need to provide for the comfort and safety of the operator else workcare legal cases arise etc...

[Andrew86]

Sounds like the current Defender to me. But I doubt the JLR design team see it. And certainly not the penny pinchers

To be absolutely clear, I love my Defender and I wouldn't swap it for anything else on the market today. I couldn't, with a straight face, recommend one to friends or family though given the quality of the competition these days. Not unless they had a soft spot for them.

I hope they treat the project to replace the Defender as an improvement program, rather than a ground-up rethink. If they can take everything we love about the car today and bring it up to modern standards, I don't think they'll be able to make enough of them.

[cuppabillytea]

The needs of customers have changed though, and so too have expectations of comfort, refinement and versatility. People expect cars to be a lot of things now. Rugged enough to be a work horse, comfortable enough for long trips with the family, powerful and fuel efficient, reliable etc.

To design the new Defender to meet just one of those needs (as was the case with the original) just wouldn't work today. It'll need to do a lot of things well if they're going to reach their 70,000 units/year target.

I don't think versatility takes away from the purity of the Defender name, as long as it can still do the important things as well as the original.
My point was that the original Land Rover was engineered to fill a need ( Which was a collection of purposes.), not designed to be marketed to people with induced perceptions of purposes.

[WhiteD3]

I am expecting the defender to start with a poverty pack for 60-65k to compete with the LC 70 workmate wagon, which in my mind is the obvious competitor in its various models.

If it got above 75k you'd throw in a few more $$ and just get a Disco surely?




Good points ramblingboy42.

What was surprising is LR stating the new Defender would sit between D4 and RRS, if that was the case then its going to be 100K here. I cant see why they would do that not with all the other Bling in between.

[PAT303]

Hmm...I reckon a new philosophy - JLR glorified shopping trolley - is driving the new approach.

How about we start a new thread,the MrLandy whinging about the new defender being a hairdressing poof's car :(,we could join the other 20 threads together to make one sooper dooper hairdressing poof's car thread :o. Pat

[PAT303]

I'd like to appologise to all the hairdressing poof's for my previous post :D. Pat

[scarry]

Good points ramblingboy42.

What was surprising is LR stating the new Defender would sit between D4 and RRS, if that was the case then its going to be 100K here. I cant see why they would do that not with all the other Bling in between.

Cant see that being the case....

It would have to sit below the D4,with maybe some models creeping towards the D4(D5)

But then again, who knows:confused:

And we aren't gonna find out for a couples of years.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Below the D5,, but with the same EnginuimV6 derated ,,,,

[MrLandy]

Raw nerve Pat? Differing opinions and healthy discussion make the world a better place IMO. You can ignore the thread if you don't like it. Cheers

[cuppabillytea]

I can hear Neil's brain ticking, louder and LOUDER. :eek:

[PAT303]

Raw nerve Pat? Differing opinions and healthy discussion make the world a better place IMO. You can ignore the thread if you don't like it. Cheers

Differing opinions are one thing,the same old negative drivel repeated ad nauseam is another. Pat

[inside]

Differing opinions are one thing,the same old negative drivel repeated ad nauseam is another. Pat
Maybe you need to take a rest from Aulro if it is getting to you that much? It's just a website where people can post their thoughts, let's not kill the people having opinions on their passion. We all have enough people telling us how to act in life, we don't need it on the interwebs.

[tact]

I can hear Neil's brain ticking, louder and LOUDER. :eek:

Tick. Tock.

[tact]

Maybe you need to take a rest from Aulro if it is getting to you that much? It's just a website where people can post their thoughts, let's not kill the people having opinions on their passion. We all have enough people telling us how to act in life, we don't need it on the interwebs.

Tick. TOCK.
Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

Mate, if people can have and share opinions (even repetitious comment in multiple threads). Other people can have and share their opinion that "this or that" is mindless and repetitive.

Please don't kill the people with such opinions on other peoples' opinions. And stop telling people what to do on the inter webs.

[inside]

And stop telling people what to do on the inter webs.
Guess I'll take my own advice and give Aulro a break......

[MrLandy]

2016, 2018, 2019...sounds like a whole load of positive drivel with no substance to me. Just calling it as I see it.

[TerryO]

Well this is going to be fun for all, three more years of negativity towards the new Defender! ... Man, this going to be one very long thread by 2019.

Sounds like no 130 model is on the horizon, which I think is a negative.

Personally though, I can't wait to see pictures of the new Defender with a aluminium monocoque body and independant air suspension. ... ;)

[Homestar]

How about we start a new thread,the MrLandy whinging about the new defender being a hairdressing poof's car :(,we could join the other 20 threads together to make one sooper dooper hairdressing poof's car thread :o. Pat

If they all start driving the new Defender, then what will happen to the Range Rover Sport? :confused: Production will grind to a halt overnight... :D

[Andrew86]

What was surprising is LR stating the new Defender would sit between D4 and RRS

Have you got a link to where that has been said? I've never read anything like that before.

Land Rover talks about having three 'pillars' in the brand - Range Rover (luxury), Discovery (leisure) and Defender (dual-purpose). The next Defender will almost certainly be built in JLR's new factory in Slovakia too, which suggests they'll look to keep a lid on the price.

I don't expect the Defender to cost much more than it does today (base price, anyway), but there'll be an extensive list of customisations to suit a variety of customers.

[PAT303]

Maybe you need to take a rest from Aulro if it is getting to you that much? It's just a website where people can post their thoughts, let's not kill the people having opinions on their passion. We all have enough people telling us how to act in life, we don't need it on the interwebs.

Land Rover have already said the defender will not be a cafe wannabe like the DC100,LR have already said the defender will not be based on the T5 platform,LR have already said the reason why the defender has been pushed back to 2018-19 is because they are starting off with a clean sheet design.If we are going to have a conversation lets base it on facts as we know them. Pat

[Babs]

Talk about same old boring stuff- here is a spy pick, they've just released details of the new Defender.



105884

He he he.

Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[tact]

Talk about same old boring stuff- here is a spy pick, they've just released details of the new Defender.



105884

He he he.

Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

That's ugly! Where are the vents under the windscreen, it's not a defender without them!

... Oh wait. That's all been said before too. ;)

[cuppabillytea]

Looks like we'll have to put our own rivets in. :eek:

[tact]

Well this is going to be fun for all, three more years of negativity towards the new Defender! ... Man, this going to be one very long thread by 2019.

Sounds like no 130 model is on the horizon, which I think is a negative.

Personally though, I can't wait to see pictures of the new Defender with a aluminium monocoque body and independant air suspension. ... ;)

Hehehe love the veiled Disco yearnings. Keep fishing... You get more bites from defenderites if you publish that in the D4 forum (which says a LOT about the closet D4 yearnings a lot of defenderites have!)

Seriously!
Can we petition the management to:
- lock all existing "new defender" threads until at least 2018
- (exception only to MrLandy's "philosophical" thread on new defender)
- instantly incinerate any new "new defender" threads that pop up any time earlier than 1yr before the latest "new defender" expected launch date.

My personal opinion is that prior to 2018, or later if if new defender slips more, THE BEST forum for discussing the new defender is ..... In ANY Toyota focused fora. :twisted:

[tact]

Looks like we'll have to put our own rivets in. :eek:

How can you be so negative....... ;)

[tact]

Guess I'll take my own advice and give Aulro a break......

Ahhhh come back ya mug. All is forgiven.

[cuppabillytea]

Hehehe love the veiled Disco yearnings. Keep fishing... You get more bites from defenderites if you publish that in the D4 forum (which says a LOT about the closet D4 yearnings a lot of defenderites have!)

Seriously!
Can we petition the management to:
- lock all existing "new defender" threads until at least 2018
- (exception only to MrLandy's "philosophical" thread on new defender)
- instantly incinerate any new "new defender" threads that pop up any time earlier than 1yr before the latest "new defender" expected launch date.

My personal opinion is that prior to 2018, or later if if new defender slips more, THE BEST forum for discussing the new defender is ..... In ANY Toyota focused fora. :twisted:
I don't yearn for a Disco I want a Vague.

[tact]

I don't yearn for a Disco I want a Vague.

Could you be more specific? :p

[cuppabillytea]

Sorry I'm a bit vogue today. :confused:

[ramblingboy42]

Talk about same old boring stuff- here is a spy pick, they've just released details of the new Defender.



105884

He he he.

Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

...who the hell is "they"?

Land Rover have released nothing....nil...zip...narda.

I think that's what is upsetting so many.....NO ONE KNOWS.

[Homestar]

Geez, a lot of anger and frustration over something no one know sod all about yet.

Let's look at the facts....

1 - The current model is no longer in production.
2 - LR says a new one will be released.

If you are all wound up now, you're sure as **** going to burst a gasket by the time it's released. :D

I'm going to sit back and reserve judgement until I see what LR are actually going to release, and probably until I go and see one in person at the Dealers.

[jon3950]

I don't yearn for a Disco I want a Vague.

I know we're not supposed to sell anything outside the marketplace, but you can have my vague if you want it, I've been trying to get rid of it for a while now.

You can PM me for further details, I think. Actually, I'm not sure...

[tact]

Sorry I'm a bit vogue today. :confused:

Vogue? Why not go GQ. Or GU. Since there is no defender any more.

[cuppabillytea]

I know we're not supposed to sell anything outside the marketplace, but you can have my vague if you want it, I've been trying to get rid of it for a while now.

You can PM me for further details, I think. Actually, I'm not sure...

T'was just a wim.

[cuppabillytea]

Vogue? Why not go GQ. Or GU. Since there is no defender any more.

I can't. I don't know what a GQ or a GU is.

[ramblingboy42]

well the answer is very vague.

[Babs]

Here it is 2017 LR Defender



105892

Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[tact]

Here it is 2017 LR Defender



105892

Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

"Ooooh, pretty green...."

Let's see who is old enough to remember where that's from...

[cuppabillytea]

So am I now.

[tact]

So am I now.

Not yet Madge

[stewie110]

Does that mean that we can go and grab a latte with the fj cruiser fraternity?

[tact]

Yep... Well... If you can find a parking spot amongst all the D3/4/RRS

[MrLandy]

So it looks like the anticipation of a new model Defender in 2016 was actually prophetic for its finale. If you are lucky enough to own an MY16 Defender, cherish it. As I thought, we have just witnessed the end of Defender...

"Land Rover has starved this vehicle of investment, ignored utility and military contracts and allowed the Defender to stagnate. So, while the PR drips with crocodile tears about the demise of this old war horse, that demise has actually been a foregone conclusion for years. And judging from the concepts and studies we've seen for its successor, they don't want to replace it with anything as competent or rugged. As one former Land Rover executive told me recently: "All they want to do is replace it with an SUV." And if they do that, where will their credibility be? I've got a sneaky feeling it really is all over now." Land Rover Defender farewell drive (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/land-rover/land-rover-defender-review/)

[cuppabillytea]

So it looks like the anticipation of a new model Defender in 2016 was actually prophetic for its finale. If you are lucky enough to own an MY16 Defender, cherish it. As I thought, we have just witnessed the end of Defender...

"Land Rover has starved this vehicle of investment, ignored utility and military contracts and allowed the Defender to stagnate. So, while the PR drips with crocodile tears about the demise of this old war horse, that demise has actually been a foregone conclusion for years. And judging from the concepts and studies we've seen for its successor, they don't want to replace it with anything as competent or rugged. As one former Land Rover executive told me recently: "All they want to do is replace it with an SUV." And if they do that, where will their credibility be? I've got a sneaky feeling it really is all over now." Land Rover Defender farewell drive (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/land-rover/land-rover-defender-review/)
Yes we know you do, and if we were all to be honest, so do we to varying degrees. However if we all recognise that not having the ultra-credible off-road utility vehicle puts the Brand in a compromising position, so, apart from the words of you former LR Executive, what makes you think that those he left behind don't recognise it? You could be right but your doomsaying is wearing a bit thin.
As i've said before: If they are listening to the market then they will not go the way you suggest. If they are imagining what markets they can break into, or even create, they won't go that way. If they're not then I wish I could be paid so much for being so stupid.

[Disco Muppet]

You do realise that article is as scathing of the current defender as it is dismissive of its replacement, if not more?

Sent from my HTC One using AULRO mobile app

[Andrew86]

If you are lucky enough to own an MY16 Defender, cherish it. As I thought, we have just witnessed the end of Defender...

The Telegraph is trash. Their whole business model is centered around sensationalism and provocation, take it with a bucket of salt.

Having said that though, they aren't wrong that the Defender as we know it is over - we all knew that. It was a bitter sweet inevitability that made all of us hug our 'Fenders a little tighter at night.

I think their cynicism about the replacement is a little misplaced though. The market is flooded with luxury SUVs and JLR already has the market very well covered. Another 'me too' Defendovery Sportvoque would just cannibalise other models in the range and diminish their credibility. As Cuppa said, I think they'll be taking their time to assess the market and look for a way to honour the traditional values of the Defender while keeping it relevant to the needs of more customers (i.e. commercially viable).

Personally, I like the idea of having a second Defender in the family when the new model is released. An MYXX Defender 90 sitting proudly next to its MY16 110 Granddad would be awesome :D

[Pickles2]

(A) JLR are travelling along just fine, in fact very fine, without Defender.
(B) "NEW" Defender?...Any comments about what it will be, or won't be,...all pure speculation......because NOBODY, except possibly a few of Mr McGovern's mates, know anything, not even a snippet, of what it will be,....if there is an "it".
Pickles.

[steane]

The current crop of motoring writers know more about smart phones and tight pants than they do about cars. Their idea of a great car is one that their phone syncs seamlessly with.

A Defender is completely alien to them.

30 years from now a car with a steering wheel will be a bizarre novelty.

The older journos are just on 'the circuit' for free manufacturer sponsored trips and should be ignored as well.

Summing up...ignore all motoring writers, they are clueless.

[ProjectDirector]

The current crop of motoring writers know more about smart phones and tight pants than they do about cars. Their idea of a great car is one that their phone syncs seamlessly with.



A Defender is completely alien to them.



30 years from now a car with a steering wheel will be a bizarre novelty.



The older journos are just on 'the circuit' for free manufacturer sponsored trips and should be ignored as well.



Summing up...ignore all motoring writers, they are clueless.


I totally agree with you, I personally know of a motoring journalist here in Melbourne and all they are concerned about are the electronic gadgetry and how fast they will get from 0-100!

[MrLandy]

(A) JLR are travelling along just fine, in fact very fine, without Defender.
(B) "NEW" Defender?...Any comments about what it will be, or won't be,...all pure speculation......because NOBODY, except possibly a few of Mr McGovern's mates, know anything, not even a snippet, of what it will be,....if there is an "it".
Pickles.

Yes, now we're getting somewhere. It's a big IF.

Agree motoring journos are full of it too. I love the constant disparaging comments about Defender, trotted out like clones over the years!

Yup I am very pessimistic about MYXX Defender, for good reason. JLR design team are paid the big bucks to pander to populism.

...It's like how every car manufacturer now has LED daytime running lights around the headlights! Wot the?! ...the new hilux has wierd botoxed eyebrows. It wouldn't surprise me if the whole new Defender design was centred around its LED running lights. Whatever. Yawn. Defender is over. I've almost been convinced to get a Mahindra.

Ciao

[Pickles2]

Yes, now we're getting somewhere. It's a big IF.

Agree motoring journos are full of it too. I love the constant disparaging comments about Defender, trotted out like clones over the years!

Yup I am very pessimistic about MYXX Defender, for good reason. JLR design team are paid the big bucks to pander to populism.

...It's like how every car manufacturer now has LED daytime running lights around the headlights! Wot the?! ...the new hilux has wierd botoxed eyebrows. It wouldn't surprise me if the whole new Defender design was centred around its LED running lights. Whatever. Yawn. Defender is over. I've almost been convinced to get a Mahindra.

Ciao
But Mr Landy, that's just it, We can't say "Defender is over" at the moment, because we just don't know.......anything.
Pickles.

[Holmesy68]

Not sure what is the definition of "common thing" but a quick search on this site reveals:
http://www.aulro.com/~/143894-cracked-chassis-defender-130-2010-puma.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/143894-cracked-chassis-defender-130-2010-puma.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/105195-130-chassis-cracking-issue-any-prevention-method.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/105195-130-chassis-cracking-issue-any-prevention-method.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/45267-130-chassis-cracks.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/45267-130-chassis-cracks.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/128950-chassis-cracking-failures-130s.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/128950-chassis-cracking-failures-130s.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/192491-130-chassis-hairline-fractures.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/192491-130-chassis-hairline-fractures.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/40662-defender-130-chassis-strength.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/40662-defender-130-chassis-strength.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/101277-defender-chassis-welding.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/101277-defender-chassis-welding.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/157103-tray-mounts-2-print.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/157103-tray-mounts-2-print.html)
http://www.aulro.com/~/22942-130-crew-cab-defender.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/22942-130-crew-cab-defender.html)And that is only the first three pages of 10 pages of results.


LR told me that my 2013 130 chassis failure must be the result of an impact because it hasn't happened before. That was without even looking at it.

[DiscoMick]

Yes, now we're getting somewhere. It's a big IF.

Agree motoring journos are full of it too. I love the constant disparaging comments about Defender, trotted out like clones over the years!

Yup I am very pessimistic about MYXX Defender, for good reason. JLR design team are paid the big bucks to pander to populism.

...It's like how every car manufacturer now has LED daytime running lights around the headlights! Wot the?! ...the new hilux has wierd botoxed eyebrows. It wouldn't surprise me if the whole new Defender design was centred around its LED running lights. Whatever. Yawn. Defender is over. I've almost been convinced to get a Mahindra.

Ciao
Funny you should say that about LED running lights. I drove past the new JLR showroom at Springwood in Brisbane south last night and about half the Jaguars and LRs on display had been left with their running lights on to attract attention.

[Tote]

The title of the thread struck me today..... I have one, our crystal balls weren't very accurate were they......

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/toteau/media/Defender/IMG_0302_zpso6a4z3jy.jpg.html)

Regards,
Tote

[MrLandy]

Funny you should say that about LED running lights. I drove past the new JLR showroom at Springwood in Brisbane south last night and about half the Jaguars and LRs on display had been left with their running lights on to attract attention.

Funny! Many raised eyebrows?

[MrLandy]

The title of the thread struck me today..... I have one, our crystal balls weren't very accurate were they......

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/toteau/Defender/IMG_0302_zpso6a4z3jy.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/toteau/media/Defender/IMG_0302_zpso6a4z3jy.jpg.html)

Regards,
Tote

Indeed Tote :-) ...we were lead to believe... And yet we are still in the dark!
M16 130, nice one.

[MrLandy]

But Mr Landy, that's just it, We can't say "Defender is over" at the moment, because we just don't know.......anything.
Pickles.

I think we can Pickles. I'm calling it. Defender is over.

Whatever the next incarnation, if there ever is one, it won't be a Defender. It is unlikely to be super heavy duty, or be able to maintain that unique and enduring design philosophy and pedigree from series Land Rovers.

I also doubt it will be suitable for Defence force duties, therefore what would it be a defender of? Retro Image? Profit margins? ...whatever.

Defender is finished. Love the ones you're with :-)

Cheers

[PAT303]

You must be a delight at dinner parties :p. Pat

[cuppabillytea]

You must be a delight at dinner parties :p. Pat

How was it Janis died again?

[MrLandy]

Heh heh, well I may live to regret it and Phoenix may rise, but I'm willing to go there. All hail Defender. We can't all be hopeless fanboys :p ...is that a dinner invitation Pat? Cuppa?

[cuppabillytea]

Sure.

[Tote]

Bundy and popcorn usually don't go together but I'm in:wasntme:

Regards,
Tote

[pando]

I wonder with the demise of the old school style work orientated truck (be it tojo, dutsun or landy if it goes that way) and whether its somewhat related to where Dodge are taking the Ram.

I think it would be fair to draw some parallels between the Ram and the Defender in their respective markets. Long history, the under dog, more of an enthusiast fan base with the main competitors private sales being based on brand loyalty more than anything. Dodge have really taken it to the other big 2 in regards to technology and model line up in an effort to gain a better market slice, which is where LR are talking about taking the Defender.

Disregarding size and looks, on paper I think the Ram ticks some of the boxes that the "Defender Replacement" should be in regards to model lineup (family, offroader, commercial in various sizes) and technology (all models now coil all round, 8 speed autos and air sprung on the family and offroader, solid diffs on the HD models, various engine and gearbox combos, factory sway bar disconnects and lockers, lots of options), theres a lot to like there and the Ram has in a round about way become the "thinking mans" truck in its home market, well at least has got buyers thinking about it who would have normally just dismissed it and bought one of the other 2 simply because their family is either one brand or the other. Time will tell if it's a successful strategy for them but just as I see it know, not that I would buy a Ram based purely on size and the cost of getting one in oz, the mechanical and variant line-up makes a pretty compelling case and the direction I think the Defender replacement could go if they're keen on global domination or at least want to get some penetration into the NA market albeit in a more classy package.

I also wonder about some of the philosophies that have been mentioned elsewhere in this thread and weather Dodge are pushing the Ram further into this "multiple purpose" platform with better tech and such because a gap has been identified and the Defender replacement and others aren't planning to fill it in the short term?

[PAT303]

Heh heh, well I may live to regret it and Phoenix may rise, but I'm willing to go there. All hail Defender. We can't all be hopeless fanboys :p ...is that a dinner invitation Pat? Cuppa?

No dinner,we are getting our kitchen renoed in 3 weeks,the original dates from 1976,the stove top and oven are made by Holden,and still work :o. Pat

[MrLandy]

No dinner,we are getting our kitchen renoed in 3 weeks,the original dates from 1976,the stove top and oven are made by Holden,and still work :o. Pat

I'd prefer an outdoor camp oven dinner anyway Pat...:p just kidding. Good luck with the reno and the mayhem. I've just finished two kitchens and a bathroom.
Cheers

[PAT303]

Bloody hell,I thought I was crazy doing one :p. I'm east of Kalgoorlie on the Connie Sue in October for 10 days and then back via the Great Central and then doing the Anne Beadell in December and coming back via the Plenty Highway from Brisvagas and the GC again,if you want to drop in for a brew :cool:. Pat

[cuppabillytea]

I'd prefer an outdoor camp oven dinner anyway Pat...:p just kidding. Good luck with the reno and the mayhem. I've just finished two kitchens and a bathroom.
Cheers


Bloody hell,I thought I was crazy doing one :p. I'm east of Kalgoorlie on the Connie Sue in October for 10 days and then back via the Great Central and then doing the Anne Beadell in December and coming back via the Plenty Highway from Brisvagas and the GC again,if you want to drop in for a brew :cool:. Pat
Oh well MrLandy. Looks like you'll have to head North East for your tucker. We aren't doing our reno for about three months. :p

[carlschmid2002]

https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/Land-Rover-Defender-price-specs-and-release-date-1819

[scarry]

Those wheels and hubs in the first pic look familiar,looks like not much has changed:D:angel:

At least it doesn't seem to run on 19's:eek:

At least the OP should be happy:D:D

[cuppabillytea]

I suspect that article is pure fudge.

[Didge]

Well that was a lot of hot air or wasted ink - they don't know anymore than I do. If I told you everything I knew about the new Defender, you'd know everything I know about it and that's not much!

[MrLandy]

https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/Land-Rover-Defender-price-specs-and-release-date-1819

Hilarious.

[DiscoMick]

Nothing new in that.

Sent from my SM-G900I using AULRO mobile app

[MrLandy]

Nope.

[Andrew86]

Nothing new in that.

Unsurprising given it was published in February.