9.00 16 Tyres

[stuee]

Better than the $775 I got quoted. Where from at that price?

[101RRS]

Whats $450/500 Each like for a New Michelin (900x16) 255/100 R16 XZL????

That would be an exceptional price - I got quotes last year and they were between $700 and $800.

Garry

[123rover50]

Whats $450/500 Each like for a New Michelin (900x16) 255/100 R16 XZL????

What about a group buy?
Ill need replacements in a year or two.

Didiman

[juddy]

The orders going in for this type of tyre , PM me if you want in.....

Price will go up slightly if theres more, Why because theres more to ship, and more duty and tax to pay. But it will not be alot more... Once i have a firm order amount i can give you exact prices per tyre landed including all taxes etc paid.

estimated shipping date will be late May. If theres anything else you need let me know and we can price up dimensions etc. Within reason ie, no Strikers, FV's or RB44 in this shippment, just parts...

[101RRS]

I have now covered about 800km on the KM2s, unfortunately no offroad work at this stage. They still have some the moulding bits still on them and are completely quiet on the road. I think they are a bit wide and balloon a bit even at 32psi so the ride can be have a bit of a soft bounce as the tyres act like springs without dampers but is definitely riding softer. There is no flat spot on cold mornings so no thump thump thump from the tyres for the first 10km until they warm up.

So they certainly work great on the road and am looking forward to getting offroad soon to give them a try.

Garry

[101RRS]

I haven't been using the 101 much lately and still hadn't tried the KM2s offroad so i thought I would take a trip up to the Brindabella's today. I had heard it was a bit damp up there so thought the muddies would get a good workout. There is a big mud hole up there but every time I have been there I have come to grief - first having to do a 80m winch and the second damaging the front bumper in a big hole - once more this time of year the mud and water is often frozen - so I determined to just stick to tracks.

The Brindies are normally pretty easy so I stayed at 30 psi. The first thing I found is that muddies might be good in mud but do not go so well in clay which is what you get up there. The tread soon clogged up but as the tyres are knew they were still able to grip.

Even though I have guard extensions the tyres still threw up a lot of crap completely covering the rear vision mirrors with mud. With the benefit of hindsight 315s are a bit too wide for a 101 but the slightly smaller tyres height wise seem to make the truck pull a bit better offroad - particularly in first.

Most of the trip was pretty easy except for one spot on a 120 degree turn on a low range hill - it was all covered in smooth sticky clay on the inside and deep muddy clay on the outside - the muddies soon filled up but I resisted spinning wheels and just let the 101 lug at 1000 rpm in 3rd low and it slowly pulled through. I think that new tyres make the difference.

So overall the KM2s are a great tyre, quiet on the road, they have a nice ride and work well off road - it is just a shame that they do not make them in a in a tall - slightly narrower tyre.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Forum%20Posts%20Album/2012-07-03_13-11-24_7881.jpg

[101 Ron]

First or Second weekend in August is the winter rallie at the Abercombie.
May be able to compare tyres more then ????????

[101 Ron]

I now have Simex No 6 mounted on a widen spare rim.
I have not worked out where to fit the spare tyre it is much too wide to fit in the standard position behind the the driver.
If I get a flat I am in trouble, as the standard bar tread against the simex is a total miss match, especially on the rear axle because of the detroit locker.
I like the idea of twin swinging spare wheel carriers on the extreme rear of the vehicle, but the existing jerry can holders I think would rule this out.

[101RRS]

especially on the rear axle because of the detroit locker.


One thing that I did notice was that the detroit is noisier and the CDL has some issues with the greater grip on these tyres.

There is less slip in the tyres so the detroit is unlocking a bit more due to windup and with a little more noise. With the CDL I normally engage it as soon as I am off the bitumen and have not had issues but yesterday when on good condition dirt the tyres were just not slipping so I was starting windup (my CDL chirps when I get transmission windup).

Neither is an issue but just means a slightly different driving style. The 101 does seem a bit happier with the slightly smaller diameter wheels and there is not much of a reduction in ground clearance,

Garry

[101 Ron]

Interesting to compare notes again
My detroit is totally noise free and so is my CDL.
The only time my detroit made a noise was when it was new and wearing in.
The vacuum diaphram actuator on my CDL failed recently causing the vehicle to be locked and I had to drive home on tarred roads about 120 km distance.
This was with the new simex tyres.
Every thing was normal except for the front tailshaft rattle which was twice as bad as normal , and it was the extra tailshaft rattle and the indicator light half coming on told me the vehicle was stuck in 4WD on a tarred road.
My new tyres have made no difference to the detroit or CDL in any way.
I know if tyre pressures are out a bit and therefore rolling Diameter the vehicle will pull to one side as the detroit doesnt like that much and I hate to think what fitting of a standard 900x16 and a Simex on the back axle would do to the steering and detroit.
As I said before the only issuses so far with the simex has been flat spotting, and I had that problem with the bar treads too.
The main problem may be the vehicle sits for long periods of time , its only a weekend warrior.
PS the simex are noisey at above 80 kph too.

[101 Ron]

One other thing is I tend only to use the CDL only if it really need it.
With the detroit in the rear the I tend to forget to use the CDL.
I know this is not the done thing, but since the detroit and the muddies the old 101 rarely gets into a bad wheel slip situation these days and the front locker switch is easier to use and has greater effect.

[101RRS]

As I said before the only issuses so far with the simex has been flat spotting, and I had that problem with the bar treads too.
The main problem may be the vehicle sits for long periods of time , its only a weekend warrior.

Maybe you need better tyres :D

[101RRS]

I had my first real workout on the BFG KM2s at the weekend when I went with my local 4wd Club and did Monkey Gum at Yalwal near Nowra.

Simply the tyres went great and the 101 did the track without major issue. I found out at the end that my CDL had a vacuum hose that had detached itself and had done the track without the CDL activated.

Anyone considering using their 101 offroad then you really need to ditch the standard tyres and get some modern muddies - it really makes a great improvement to offroad capability.

As I was driving I did not get a chance to take any action pics but might be able to get some from later. Here are a couple that were taken by myself and our trip leader.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Forum%20Posts%20Album/Mewaiting.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Forum%20Posts%20Album/Timshowinghowitisdone.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Forum%20Posts%20Album/Peters90liftingawheel.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Forum%20Posts%20Album/GarrysCamp.jpg

Garry

[101 Ron]

You should of told me you were in my back yard ?
Glad to see you are happy with the tyres.
Ron

[101RRS]

I did think about giving you a call but I was pretty well tied up with the club.

My tyres did really well but it was quite dry - if it was a bit damp then I think those side biters on your tyres would come into their own.

I think Monkey Gum would be a great training track to teach people about selecting the right line where it comes quite easy - pick the wrong line though and life can become interesting.

We had a mix of vehicle - 2 cruisers, a patrol, a couple of defenders and a jeep. The longer wheelbase vehicles even with 2" lift were touching bottom but except where I grounded the front diff on a rock at the end I could just drive through.

I might do a diff shave as that is the 101 Achilles Heel as far as clearances go.

Garry

[101RRS]

A short vid taken by the trip leader and his kids

LRC Monkey gum - YouTube

[101 Ron]

Just a quick one.
I had a little bit of spare time last weekend and decided Old Murphys law would catch up to me spare tyre wise.
The original spare wheel mounting behind the drivers seat allows for a 9 inch wide tyre only to roll out between the body/ bows and the rear of the drivers seat and though the acess door.
The Simex tyres I have are 11 inches wide.
This means taking the tyre out though the side door is not on.
After much fiddling and pushing and mucking around I have been able to fit the 36 inch simex in behind the drivers seat and hold it in place with the standard bracket.
To do this the tyre is deflated to 10 PSI and is loaded though the cargo area.
keeping the tyre at a lowered pressure is not a problem for me with the in built engine compressor I have fitted.
The only draw back I still have is the Simex is a directional tyre and I have a 50/50 chance of having to fit a tyre on in the wrong direction if I get a flat.
To keep the standard bar tread as a spare was not really a option as the detroit locker fitted in the rear diff would not be happy if fitted with different diameter tyres.
The Simex at this stage are extremely
good for the 101 Landy off road and are wearing well to date.
Aired down and the big side biters come into play and they are supperb, the slightly increased ground clearence and rolling diameter is helpful too.
The only draw backs so far have been tyre noise at speed and flat spots on cold tyres which takes about 3 ks travelling down the road to get rid of.
I might add the noise is no worse that the 900x 16 bar treads, but is different and the tyre are still better than the bar treads on tarred roads.
Some minor tyre squirm is possible under extremely hard braking too.

[101 Ron]

This vid shows the front tyre moulding very well around rocks , I think the pressure was about 15 psi.
The rear was the same, but going down hill with a unloaded 101 Landy means most of the vehicles weight was on the front .
yahwal 922013 - YouTube

[DasLandRoverMan]

Listed on ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Michelin-XZL-Clone-Yellowsea-YS20-Military-tire-255-100R16-9-00R16-/230973375158?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35c71602b6). Located in Vancouver, but claiming shipping worldwide, not sure if that's included in the price?

Not the cheapest 9.00x16's, but comparable to NOS Michelins, and they do seem to be brand new tyres, whilst getting new Michelins seems pretty much impossible.
They seem to carry various European type approval, plus a 75mph speed rating, as oppose to the 55mph the Michelins have.

Apparently £45,000 will have a container of 300+ landed at a UK port, which would work out at £150 a tyre, dunno how thy would work out for Australia?

Might be of interest to some anyways?

[101RRS]

With shipping would probably work out cheaper buying locally in Aust.

Garry

[frantic]

RADIAL TIRE YS20 - TBR TIRES - Product Catalog - Qingdao Rubber Group Co., Ltd. (http://www.yellowsea-tyre.com/sdp/222262/4/pd-850172/510567-425516/RADIAL_TIRE_YS20.html)
The company in china:D alibaba only has a min order of 300:eek:

[juddy]

Best price we can look at is 470.

[DasLandRoverMan]

For these things or Michelins? I'm presuming you mean 450 AUS?

[101 Ron]

AG tyres or Moore tyres was sold off and no longer exists.
Therefore MRF brand tyres no longer appear to be imported.
MRF......bar treads/sand grips 900x16
I know of no one who is taking on the importing of odd size military type tyres.

[DasLandRoverMan]

Might be worth looking into then?

[Mick_Marsh]

AG tyres or Moore tyres was sold off and no longer exists.
Therefore MRF brand tyres no longer appear to be imported.
MRF......bar treads/sand grips 900x16
I know of no one who is taking on the importing of odd size military type tyres.
These guys are.
Australian Tyre Traders - Wholesalers, importers & manufacturers of Tyres (http://www.tyretraders.com.au/light_truck_tyres_bias_ply.php)
If anyone chats to them, tell them you're interested in some 1200x20 bar tread tyres.

[101 Ron]

currently getting 1400x 20 bar treads.......very pricey especially when you have to buy Six or nothing.
I don't know anyone who deals in them.
A industrial truck tyre bloke has found some new old stock.( Denman brand which stopped making tyres 5 years ago.)

[isuzurover]

So nobody is running TSL Boggers?

These two sizes are the closest to a 9.00x16:
35x10.50-16LT
38.5x11.00-16LT

[101RRS]

BFG MT KM2s are a better all round tyre - pretty good offroad, excellent onroad, long wearing and reasonably quiet. Irrespective of how much offroad work you do - there is always a long bitumen drive to get there so in reality onroad performance is important - and they are a radial.

Garry

[isuzurover]

BFG MT KM2s are a better all round tyre - pretty good offroad, excellent onroad, long wearing and reasonably quiet. Irrespective of how much offroad work you do - there is always a long bitumen drive to get there so in reality onroad performance is important - and they are a radial.

Garry

But they don't make a 9.00x16....?

If you are willing to fit a 35xXX-16 or 37xXX-16 there are heaps of options. E.g. maxxis bighorns are cheaper than BFG but do the same job...

[101RRS]

But they don't make a 9.00x16....?

315/75R16 are the same diameter as 9.00x16 - not on paper but in reality yes.


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/101-forward-controls-variations/61430d1370441646-9-00-16-tyres-042.jpg
http://http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=61430&d=1370441646

[isuzurover]

315/75R16 are the same diameter as 9.00x16 - not on paper but in reality yes.


Diameter yes, but they are ~35% wider, which is the point I was trying to make. If all 101 owners were happy to run a 12.5" wide tyre then this thread would not exist, as every manufacturer makes a 35x12.5-16.

[123rover50]

The problem I have is that the metric ones cant carry the weight and secondly are too wide in that they rub on the radius arms with standard 6.5 inch wheels.

[101 Ron]

All I know standard wheel on a 101 is 6.5 inches wide.
After going to wider wheel of 8 inches and rubber to suit I will never go back.
Going wider rim fitted to a standard wheel centre is hard to pick from the standard look of the vehicle.
Safety alone on hard roads and off road is well worth the effort.
The off set on my wider rims is standard on the inside, with the extra width to the out side of the vehicle.

Doing it that way with a slightly bigger diameter over the 900x16 and the 11 inch wide rubber of the Simex I am running on my 101 keeps the scrub radius near standard with no unnessary strain on kingpin bearings etc.
No clearences are reduced to the steering / suspension components and the fitting of disc brakes to the front of my 101 recently has proved this to be true as there is little room inside the wheel with that big C/V joint there to do so.
Now the better rubber has made handling safer, on road grip better and now working with the disc brakes, the whole thing in a emergency stop is just so much on the next level compared with what I had before.
I worked out on my simex the weight carrying per tyre was reduced, but overall all four tyres as a whole exceeded the GVM for the vehicle, in the real world not a problem for me and the 101.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1264.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/101Ron/media/101%20Ron%202/001-10_zpsb495b02a.jpg.html)
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[101 Ron]

Other things I have found with my set up , off road wise front wheel cabin entry tread step on the front wheels no longer gets damaged off road due to the extra protection of the wider wheel and tyre.
The wheel tyre combination still fits within the standard rubber wheel arch flares at the front and the width increase and diameter increase is within the current national rules for vehicle lift and tyre diameter/width .( compared to 900x16)

On a 101 Landrover it should be noted.
Optional tyre sizes offered by the factory were up to 18 inch wide and 38.5 inch diameter (terra tyres) and the vehicle was factory tested with this size.

[DasLandRoverMan]

Personally I quite like the look of a 101 on wider rubber, they seem to have a better stance.

The fact that 315/75R16's are readily available for less than new bargrips -be it coopers or BFG's- makes it even more of a no brainer.
Michelins are nice, but too ****ing expensive.

[mark_coffey]

have been chasing a couple of prices on 9.00x16 tyres, got $465 + $55 for tube for bar treads and between $850 and $880 for 255.100R16 Michelins, do these prices sound about right?

[101RRS]

The 9.00x16s seem a bit high but they are now as rare as hen's teeth new so it is really a sellers market. What brand are they? If MRF too expensive.

The Michelins would be about $100 - $150 to expensive in the big cities but out in the sticks who knows.

Garry

[The ho har's]

have been chasing a couple of prices on 9.00x16 tyres, got $465 + $55 for tube for bar treads and between $850 and $880 for 255.100R16 Michelins, do these prices sound about right?

You can get Michelins copy's out of Canada for under $500.00 shipped. Michelins are way to expensive for us on a special registered vehicle. There is a guy up this way who imported Bar Treads and some road tyres, he is selling them for around @250.00 each if you buy 5, we didn't like the tread pattern. I will endeavour to find his details if you wish:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[mark_coffey]

would be much appreciated Mrs hh

[goingbush]

"Antique Tyres" in Melb / Sydney have 9.00x16 Bar Treads (Firestone NDT )

16900 | Antique Tyres (http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/16900)

(but the one in their picture looks more like a 6.00-16)

[mark_coffey]

thanks, their the $500 option

[The ho har's]

would be much appreciated Mrs hh

Dean @ Allora, can't find the email as I have a new computer :(

will still look:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[The ho har's]

Next option is the military Jeep Club up here in Qld:) he was at the swap meet @ canungra

Mrs hh:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

"Antique Tyres" in Melb / Sydney have 9.00x16 Bar Treads (Firestone NDT )

16900 | Antique Tyres (http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/16900)

(but the one in their picture looks more like a 6.00-16)
There is a shipment coming in soon. Five of them are mine.

[The ho har's]

Dean @ Allora, can't find the email as I have a new computer :(

will still look:)

Mrs hh:angel:



Have now found the e-mail address:) anyone else wants it ask and I will PM it to you.

Mark has got a PM.

Mrs hh:angel:

[goingbush]

The guy from OPW told me that he has been selling a few sets of TRX-US tyres to OKA owners. Might be suitable for 101 but getting up there in price too.
He says they are proving to be a great outback / touring tyre

come in various sizes, this link is p2 of 3 & avaliable locally

Tyres :: Interco Tyres :: TRXUS MT - OPW - Offroad Performance Warehouse - 1300 OPW 4X4 (http://opw.com.au/tyres/interco/trxus-mt-page-2.html)

[101RRS]

Most of those are too wide for a standard 101 rim. Once you go for a wider rim this opens up a good range of quality brand name tyres such as BFG.

[DasLandRoverMan]

Plenty of 315/75 R 16 options available over there: Clicky link ( http://www.tyrepower.com.au/index.php?option=com_tyrefinder)

Possibly cheaper than any of the 35.1250r16 options, and can run 8 inch rims.

In terms of wider rims, I've heard it suggested to put 101 centres into P38 steelies which are 8 inches wide, although you probably have other 16 inch steel wheel options over there?

[Edit] Bollocks! Link didn't work as well as I wanted. Search for 315/75 R 16 and it gives plenty of options though. [Edit]

[spongie]

Dave, I've heard it mentioned before apparently 101 centres are not very thick? Do not know if this is true

[DasLandRoverMan]

Same as all other Factory fit options (asides Wolf rims) as far as I'm aware?

[bed_bug]

My friend and I have Yellow Sea 255/100 r16's on our 101's. I've started importing them into the UK and listed them on the UK Ebay site. All seems good so far although the tyre fitters hate them as the bead is tougher than the Michelin. Let me know if I can help? Steve

[Homestar]

My friend and I have Yellow Sea 255/100 r16's on our 101's. I've started importing them into the UK and listed them on the UK Ebay site. All seems good so far although the tyre fitters hate them as the bead is tougher than the Michelin. Let me know if I can help? Steve

They're the XZL copies right? What sort of price are they going for?

[123rover50]

Perhaps someone could inport them here

Michelin XZL Clone Yellowsea YS20 Military Tire 255 100R16 9 00R16 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230973375158'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

[stuee]

Perhaps someone could inport them here

Michelin XZL Clone Yellowsea YS20 Military Tire 255 100R16 9 00R16 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230973375158'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

When I was looking at tyres a truck tyre place that my dads company deals with was able to get them in for about $450ea. As they'd never dealt with them before it was basically going to be I get whatever came in, no warranty replacements etc - they'd simply act as an importer.

From the correspondence from the various truck tyre joints there's more interest around for this size tyre now so more places are looking at whats around and willing to try different options.

I still haven't bought tyres since the 101 was never going to be ready for the wedding so saving up to buy them outright rather than put them on credit.

[spongie]

perhaps bedbug can act as an agent and get a batch imported direct from the manufacturer to Aus?

after all he has an account with them?

[Brute]

I have had a quote off John Craddocks for a set of 5 16x8" 101 rims and cooper 315/75 Stt`s. they are going to work out at approx. $3000 including sea freight to fremantle, duty gst etc, which given the price of any other tyre options seems pretty good.

Has anybody had experience with the craddock rims?

Cheers

Ian

[The ho har's]

We have recently returned from Corowa with the 900x16's we eventually bought of Dean @ Allora. We did 3,400 kms round trip. We can actually talk in the 101 now, all the road noise we had with the Silverstones has gone and the vibration. We will see how they wear, but very happy with the Jetstones and price.

Mrs hh:angel:

[alan48]

:)Hi,
a couple of years ago I imported six 16 x 8 rims from Craddocks for my 101 camper and fitted Maxxis 315/75/16 muddies and they were great. The rims were not expensive to buy but cost me heaps getting through customs--in fact a rip off. Only thing with the rims is they have a very pronounced outer edge rim where you normally attach the weights which did challenge my tyre fitters.
I had tried to get my standard rims widened but various wheel places would not do it.

[101RRS]

I have had a quote off John Craddocks for a set of 5 16x8" 101 rims and cooper 315/75 Stt`s.

Why would you be buying tyres like that from the UK - there are plenty of brands available in that size for good pricing here.

[101RRS]

I had tried to get my standard rims widened but various wheel places would not do it.

Eastern Wheel Works in Melbourne will do them for $150 ea including shipping from your place to Melboune and back when finished.

The actual work comprised $50 for the 8" rim and $80 to remove your old rim and put the new one on.

Garry

[Brute]

Why would you be buying tyres like that from the UK - there are plenty of brands available in that size for good pricing here.

Not so much the tyres but when you look at the tyre + rim package

The coopers are $481 each in Perth =$2405
even if I could get the old centres fitted to 8" rims for $150 each ( no chance in Perth) that would be another $750 + cost to remove the tyres that are on. approx. $20 each
adds up to $3255. I can get the whole lot shipped for less than that and still have the 5 originals to sell on if I want.

The tyres are all imported any way so I am not effecting any local manufacturers makes sense to me

Ian

[101RRS]

I would like to see your breakdown of costs - seems a bit light on to me. If the goods are coming via seafreight you will need a customs/clearance broker which will add to your costs - likewise have you included the Customs Admin fee.

However if you can get them cleared and delivered to your door for $3000 then I would be going for it.

Cheers

Garry

[101 Ron]

All this tyre talk has been going on for a while now.
What I do know is going for 8 inch wide rims and doing it on standard wheel centres with the extra off set to the outside of the vehicle does a few things.
Opens choice of tyres in 16 inch, keeps appearance looking original, no more wheel foot step damage and keeps kingpin, scrub radius standard with slightly larger diameter tyres and slightly wider tyres.
Garrycol is running a good allrounder as described in earlier posts in this thread and I am running a very offroad Simex as described in earlier posts.
Off road wise my tyres do very much have the goods, but are noisey on the road and flat spot a lot until they warm up after about 3 to 4 Ks.......not very good if you are using the 101 just to get the milk from the corner shop.
I think brand /tread pattern etc garrycol has nailed it for general useage.
Both our tyres cost near the same.
I do know I will not be going back to Bar Treads or MRFs or cheapie similar.
The wear rate with my full on muddies on hard roads is still much better than a bar tread and therefore the extra cost of the current tyres I have does not worry me.
The wider more modern flexible tyres do improve handling and ride making the vehicle safer.
Pics Of Garrys and my tyres side by side.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/278.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/101Ron/media/ron%203/009_zpsc8063235.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/279.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/101Ron/media/ron%203/008_zps6c46adb2.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/280.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/101Ron/media/ron%203/007_zpsb6404b3b.jpg.html)

[Brute]

I would like to see your breakdown of costs - seems a bit light on to me. If the goods are coming via seafreight you will need a customs/clearance broker which will add to your costs - likewise have you included the Customs Admin fee.

However if you can get them cleared and delivered to your door for $3000 then I would be going for it.

Cheers

Garry

Costwise 5 x rims & tyres including freight approx. $2,500 + 5% duty + 10% gst =$ 2887 + a couple of hundred lodgement and clearance costs
= approx. $3,100

If I got 2 sets the freight would be about $150 cheaper per set and the customs fees would be split over 2 sets so total cost would be maybe $2,900 or so.

Ian

[101RRS]

Then I would definitely be doing what you are doing :)

[bed_bug]

perhaps bedbug can act as an agent and get a batch imported direct from the manufacturer to Aus?

after all he has an account with them?


Yes we could do that . I just surfed by to post up a picture of my 101, as I said I would. So here it is with the YS tyres on.

Steve

75888

[101RRS]

Someone may be interested in these Land Rover FC109 Tyres in Gympie, QLD | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Land-Rover-fc109-Tyres-/251522575865?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a8fe9edf9)

Until recently these tyres were my everyday tyres - worked great but do wear a bit quick. The tread has large blocks with smaller blocks on top - the top block wear pretty quickly and then wear slows one you hit the main blocks. Mine are 2/3 worn after about 20,000km.

Garry

[goingbush]

occasional supply of Michelin 255x100R16 XZL with delivery km $500 each including Iveco tubeless split rim , ( I reckon you could weld a rover centre into the Iveco Rim )

toward the bottom of the page
Wheel & Tyre Options - TravelTrucks (http://www.traveltrucks.com.au/4x4-iveco-accessories/wheel-tyre-options)

[Sitec]

Just seeing the last post prompted me to start looking for alternatives, and I stumbled across these.... Think they're Italian, and I also think they're remoulded on Michelin cases.... They're called 'Lerma Gomme 4x4 Good Rider M+S 255/100 R16'. Here's a pic..

[Sitec]

Here's what I found on their website.. If I spoke Italian, I'd have a go at ringing them up and find out more.... Working on that one.....

[Sitec]

This it the option I am planning to use.. Here's a truck tyre fitted to a 19.5" steel rim, sat beside a 255/100R16.... I know which would cost less, and last longer.... Thoughts please! :)

[goingbush]

Truck tyres are cheaper and last longer but if your going off the bitumen are not much good on 4x4's as the sidewalls are too stiff and you have to run too big a pressure, let them down to soften the ride and they overheat. rough as guts on corrugations.

I'd go for a flexible radial over truck tyre any day, specially in a vehicle as light as a 101 .

I might have a crack at these next time Tyres :: Interco Tyres :: TRXUS MT - OPW - Offroad Performance Warehouse - 1300 OPW 4X4 (http://opw.com.au/tyres/interco/trxus-mt.html) , plenty of big size choices and reportedly a great outback touring tyre, according to the seller popular with OKA customers.

[Sitec]

Truck tyres are cheaper and last longer but if your going off the bitumen are not much good on 4x4's as the sidewalls are too stiff and you have to run too big a pressure, let them down to soften the ride and they overheat. rough as guts on corrugations.

I'd go for a flexible radial over truck tyre any day, specially in a vehicle as light as a 101.


Fair point.. I'm just not looking forward to replacing the XZL's at $700 a go! I'm also looking to get a larger rim so I can fit a large disk brake to the front axle, and prob the rear too.. I hadn't thought about how they'd handle in the dirt, and might just source two rims and get them modified to suit the 101 and see how they go.. They can always go on the planned trailer I want to build!! :)

[DeanoH]

Today I picked up 8 X 255/100 R16 Michelin XZL cases in very good condition. Four/five could have block separators cut to give 6-10 mm of useful tread or could be 'Bandaged' to whatever you like. Is there any interest for this type of tyre ?

Deano :)

[Sitec]

Today I picked up 8 X 255/100 R16 Michelin XZL cases in very good condition. Four/five could have block separators cut to give 6-10 mm of useful tread or could be 'Bandaged' to whatever you like. Is there any interest for this type of tyre ?

Deano :)

I'd be keen to own two of them for the trailer Im building... What $$$ are u asking for them? Cheers.

[goingbush]

What about MRF Tyres , those Sandgrip 9.00x16 Michelin lookalikes are 10 ply, like in the ebay ad mentioned earlier, about right for a 101

http://www.mrftyres.com/downloads/download.php?filename=militaryservicetyres.pdf

Beadell Tours in Adelaide seem to have a supply of MRF tyres there must be an existing importer. Pity they are not radials!

[DeanoH]

I'd be keen to own two of them for the trailer Im building... What $$$ are u asking for them? Cheers.

PM sent

Crikey ! these tyres didn't last an hour :o, I may be able to get some more.

Deano

[DeanoH]

These tyres were run on OKA's originally before they went to 19.5's. I've 'rescued' some from the OKA community with a view to 're cycling' them into the 101 community. The first lot I had didn't last an hour :o, I now have a dozen more in various stages of wear. I know this should probably be posted in the markets area but wanted this info posted in the 101 area first as I know how difficult (and expensive) these tyres are to source, so my apologies mods. but my motives are pure :angel:. I won't post prices here as that's probably stretching my 'infraction' too far but suffice to say very cheap. Others can comment if they wish.

255/100's look like this when they wear down

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/06/675.jpg (http://s540.photobucket.com/user/DeanoH/media/Oka/1Michelin_zps8b2b535e.jpg.html)

The blue lines point to the tread separators, the green line shows the wear indicator. The tread separators should be cut out at this level of wear to restore traction and give 6-8mm of tread.

They look like this with the separators removed

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/06/676.jpg (http://s540.photobucket.com/user/DeanoH/media/Oka/MichelinCutTread_zps92d3ec17.jpg.html)

I have three remaining like this one above plus one or two more that can be grooved similarly. Note. The tread block separators are cut out and the case itself is not re grooved as these are non regroovable tyres. This is standard practice and part of the tyres design.

I also have another 4 cases that are good for re capping. These 255/100's recap heaps better than the old 900R16's as they have a flatter surface without the large side lugs of the old 900R16's. My old 900R16's could only support a 180mm wide Bandag retread whereas the 255/100's can take 219/220 mm wide tread for a much better result.

Bandag Products - Tread Patterns (http://www.bandag.com.au/treadpatterns.aspx)

The rib trac / elite were the most popular with the OKA people.

Please PM me if interested


Deano :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

What about MRF Tyres , those Sandgrip 9.00x16 Michelin lookalikes are 10 ply, like in the ebay ad mentioned earlier, about right for a 101

http://www.mrftyres.com/downloads/download.php?filename=militaryservicetyres.pdf

Beadell Tours in Adelaide seem to have a supply of MRF tyres there must be an existing importer. Pity they are not radials!
Garrycol had them but didn't appear to like them for a follow up set.

[101RRS]

Garrycol had them but didn't appear to like them for a follow up set.

The Sandgripes were Ok on the road but do wear pretty quick. They are the same tyre as the MRF bar treads but with a different tread.

I had one tyre that wore really quickly and despite rotation etc. On reflection the wheel that this tyre was on had a bit of a buckle so I suspect that it was creating extra wear as the wheel wobbled when being driven.

As mentioned the Sandgripes have large blocks with smaller blocks on top - so when new go well on the sand and the mud but with contact area being quite small on the bitumen the top blocks wear quickly. When down to the main block the tyres are still good in the sand but no longer any good in the mud as the blocks are close togther.

However when I got my Sandgripes they were only $220 so even with short life they are good value. On the standard rims I would have them again but it is hard to find people who sell them - the main importer was Ag Tyres in Moree but they got bought out my Maxxis so no longer have MRF.

Garry

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

I spotted this on the 101 facebook page..

? militair modder 4x4 6x6 oldtimer unimog leger nato banden - Banden en Velgen - Marktplaats.nl (http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/auto-onderdelen/banden-en-velgen/m1017450890-militair-modder-4x4-6x6-oldtimer-unimog-leger-nato-banden.html?c=3c1f5dcc18d02a99040ca8de656940d2&previousPage=lr&utm_source=systemmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CO__B_Activation)

Just thought that I would put it up here - obviously freight would be tricky, and I have no idea if the tyre is any good..

[goingbush]

looking for 650-16 tyres for my 1/2 Ton Lightweight , came across this US site, these 900-16 might go well on a 101 .
https://www.cokertire.com/tires/styles/military-and-truck/sta-super-lug-8-ply-900-16.html

look a bit like the old Alliance pattern ! good price too

[Lotz-A-Landies]

looking for 650-16 tyres for my 1/2 Ton Lightweight , came across this US site, these 900-16 might go well on a 101 .
https://www.cokertire.com/tires/styles/military-and-truck/sta-super-lug-8-ply-900-16.html

look a bit like the old Alliance pattern ! good price tootwo problems the tyres do not have a DOT rating and previously there was a problem getting STA tyres into Aus privately. Some sort of arrangement with Antique tyres P/L being the sole Aus agent.

I like them too and managed to get 7 before they stopped selling to AUS.

Antique tyres won't sell them, probably because of the lack of the DOT rating.

[goingbush]

OK thanks, that probably means I'll have to get my 650-16 STA Super Traxion from Antique Tyres as well, and at a premium

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

On a recent trip away I met Ben (lovely chap) from APT Road and he mentioned that the Michelin XZL Tyres (9.00 x r16) are still available in Australia... (I thought that they were as rare as hens teeth).

He mentioned that they are an optional extra on the Iveco Daily truck... And staying in the Ceduna caravan park, was an Iveco Daily....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/1048.jpg

Ben also mentioned that up in Brisbane, he had been quoted $660 for one of these tyres - so they are out there.. :)

[Homestar]

Bit of a thread resurrection here - what's everyone's latest thoughts on tyres for a 101? Would be looking at something not quite as lumpy as the XZL's as these are quite noisy - yes I can hear them above all the other noise the vehicle makes - and they aren't required for what I do with the vehicle, and have always found they don't air down well anyway as they have such a strong sidewall. While an AT would be ideal, something like a truck tyre would also be suitable IMO but whatever I choose would need to be up to doing extended dirt road driving for touring without worrying about failure issues.

[101RRS]

Bit of a thread resurrection here - what's everyone's latest thoughts on tyres for a 101? Would be looking at something not quite as lumpy as the XZL's as these are quite noisy - yes I can hear them above all the other noise the vehicle makes - and they aren't required for what I do with the vehicle, and have always found they don't air down well anyway as they have such a strong sidewall. While an AT would be ideal, something like a truck tyre would also be suitable IMO but whatever I choose would need to be up to doing extended dirt road driving for touring without worrying about failure issues.

When I first put my 101 on the road I got MRF Sandgrip conventional fabrics - I got the sand grip tread pattern but you could also get bar treads.

They were a good tyre for the 101 but they did wear pretty quick - however they were very cheap at $200 so cost per mile is very good. Unfortunately the importer folded a few years back so they are now not available.

At that time XZLs were about $750 and the same issues you reported were being reported at the time - long wearing but a bit too heavy duty for a 101.

As the MRFs were not available I changed rims to 8" wide and went to BFG KO Mud Terrains - a proper steel belt radial, a good tyre and tread is more AT than MT. They are relatively quiet and wear well. I went with specialist rims but at about the same time Ron 101 got wider 101 style rims and went hard core MTs.

So if you stay with standard rims I think you are really looking at staying with your XZLs or importing 9.00x 16 type tyres from overseas. If you get the 101 widened rims (Eastern Wheel Works in Melbourne) or from UK 101 parts suppliers then you can go reasonably common MT/AT radials from companies like BFG/MAXXIS etc - but you will need that new power steering system you have got in the car park.

Garry

[Homestar]

Thanks Garry, I'm trying to avoid going away from the standard rims if I can help it but I might have to if push comes to shove. I really don't want to use the XZL's again.

Cheers.

[Homestar]

Would a 285/85r16 fit a standard rim? They are about an inch wider than a 255/100r16 from the tyre size calculator I looked at. If so, anyone know of anyone that makes these - they look a bit rare too...

[101RRS]

Just remember the standard 101 rims are not safety rims so you need to be careful on what tyres are fitted from this aspect. Limits options. Some say modern tyres will work fine, others say not the case - I dont know.

Also remember that the old 9.00x16 tyres are about 34.5/35" diameter, your XZLs are in the region of 36" diameter and 285/85r16 are about the same diameter but a bit wide for 6.5" wide rims. 285/75r16 are a more common size but have a smaller diameter are also a bit wide.

Craddock sell the widened 101 rims and they look the same as the originals on the vehicle

JC131 - 8 x 16 101FC Steel Wheel ET25 ( Primed ) (https://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/other/101-forward-control/wheels-and-tyres/jc131-8-x-16-101fc-steel-wheel-et25-primed.html)

[Homestar]

At around $1,500 plus freight that might put me out of the game, but they are pretty nice. Will see what local widening will cost if it comes to that. I have no issues running modern tyres on older rims, never had an issue with and Series rim I’ve done that with and I rarely put myself in a position where I have to air down a long way, usually just for comfort on extended trips on gravel roads.

[Homestar]

Have sent them an email asking how much to ship them. 😇

[101RRS]

I think AJ had some for a while so check with him. Also there are brands of 9.00x16 tyres overseas so importing might be an option.

[Homestar]

Struggling to find anything that will fit the standard rims other than the XZL’s. Found some Chinese tyres that may work, but can’t find anyone in Australia that imports them and minimum quantities apply - like 50 to 100 and I really don’t need that many... 😁

Plenty of options for slightly wider rubber that will fit wider rims, so that may be the way to go but I’d like to keep a standard set of rims as well, but those rims from Craddocks will set me back around $400 each (and I need 6) by the time all fees and charges and freight are paid for so not a cheap option, but a lot cheaper than buying 6 new XZL’s...

Going to get a price to widen my rims. AJ seems to be on Holiday at the moment so haven’t been able to chat to him about any of this yet.

Have some decisions to make.

[101RRS]

I wound not go for them but they are an option.

16900 | Antique Tyres (https://antiquetyres.com.au/16900) - but very expensive.

Also I am sure the Maroon coloured 101 camper that has been around for a while had Silverstone 117MT 285/16s on standard rims - the attached chart has wheel width as 7.5 so not too far off. I have 315s on 8" rims and they are ok.

Try ChapelCorner Tyres http://www.chapelcornertyres.com.au/files/4x4.pdf

See these pics of the 101 with them on - look fine - zoom in on the tyres and have a look - they are a bit less in diameter than standard 9.00x16 and a lot less than your 255/100R16s.
153474153475153476

Also send 101 Ron a PM and he might be able to shed some light on options.

Also Ron did get his widened rims from AJ.

Garry

PS - spotted this - is expensive and probably will not wear well on the road but will fit a standard rim.
http://opw.com.au/tyres/interco/tsl/dldt-dtddstronginterco-tire--strong-dddt-dtddq78-16-tsl-dd-dl.html

[Homestar]

Well after a lot of research, I think the only thing for it is to get the rims modified and fit a wider tyre. AJ is back from holidays and I was chatting to him this morning - he has a rim mob just up the road and if I supply just the centres from my rims, they will fit a brand new 8" outer - which has the safety bead rolled into them as well so one extra bit worth doing it for when running tubeless tyres. This is then quite a cheap option and I'll prime and paint them myself after that.

Tyres will be the Nangkang 315/75/16 AT5 - very reasonably priced at around $250 each and will do fine for what I want - they are available all over Australia now, even in this size and my research shows they are not a terrible tyre. Next cheapest was over double the price so these will do. They do a couple of M/T's as well in this size but these aren't needed for what I do with the vehicle.

Will still be a $2,000 plus exercise by the time I do 6 rims and have 6 new tyres fitted but a much cheaper option than anything else and waaay better then the $900 each I've been quoted for replacement XZL's...

AT-5 | Nankang Tyres (http://nankangtyres.com.au/tyre/at-5/)

[101 Ron]

Been running AJs widen wheels for years now.
Original centre on modern safety rim.
Greatly opens up tyres that are available including radial/tubless options.
Wider wheels stops drivers wheel foot step damage.
I ended up getting six of them.

[cjc_td5]

I presume when have std centers put in new wide rims you can specify whatever offset you like?

[101 Ron]

I presume when have std centers put in new wide rims you can specify whatever offset you like?

Correct.............reading back pages 20 to about 27 in this thread gives alot of information on AJs wheels .

[DODGE]

Gday All

Just wondering if anyone is running the michelin xzl on their 101s . wanting to see if they are being run tubeless or not. i realize the standard rims are not safety rims. i have managed to pick up a set of new tyres of a iveco daily with delivery kms only for $450 each. would like to run them tubeless.

Thanks Gaz

[101RRS]

From another thread.

Milspares have 9.00x16 (not sure of tread pattern) - they also have tubes.

See this link T-Tyre 9.00x16 (https://milspares.net.au/index.php?route=product/product&path=26&product_id=581)

Garry

[Homestar]

Gday All

Just wondering if anyone is running the michelin xzl on their 101s . wanting to see if they are being run tubeless or not. i realize the standard rims are not safety rims. i have managed to pick up a set of new tyres of a iveco daily with delivery kms only for $450 each. would like to run them tubeless.

Thanks Gaz

Missed this one mate - I was running them, but had tubes in them - mainly because that’s how they were when I got them. Personally don’t see an issue running them tubeless to be honest. I’ve now had my rims widened and they are now designed to run tubeless which I do.

[goingbush]

From another thread.

Milspares have 9.00x16 (not sure of tread pattern) - they also have tubes.

See this link T-Tyre 9.00x16 (https://milspares.net.au/index.php?route=product/product&path=26&product_id=581)

Garry


Thanks, zooming in on image shows MRF NDMS , India speak for Bar Treads . (MRF NDMS (Check Offers) 9.00-16 Tyre Price, Tube Type specs, Features (https://www.tyreplex.com/mrf-tyres/ndms/9-00-16))
I'll try to order a set.

Not paying $650 each from Antique tyres unless theres absolutely no option , XZL even at new prices make more sense.