[QUOTE=johntins;2747262][QUOTE=Zeros;2747147]Poor Land Rover? I don't think so. They're doing very nicely...
...reckon they can afford a Defender upgrade and an airbag of two. We all wait with bated breath...I guess you missed the irony in my post..
They are doing nicely now, Zeros. But they weren't. They have had various owners. Do you think Tata paid loose change for them? They need to see a major return on their investment. Chucking "an airbag or two" in the Defender was not going to do that, nor would it have got the Defender through the increasingly stringent safety and emissions testing. The Defender was selling at less than 10,000 units globally. No way can a major re-engineering ( as adding airbags would be ) be justified on those figures.
• Land Rover global sales by model 2013-16 | Statistic
PS: I'd have to pay $588 year to see that graph.
Update;
Picked up the patrol today. Managed 145kms and a massive smile whilst doing it. The power and noise it makes under throttle would put a smile on any blokes face. Its just raw power!
One thing i dont love;
the steering is very light for a 2.7 ton vehicle. There isnt much feed back. Over time I'll get used to it.
Even my daughter was staring in awe at how much space she had in the back seat.
There is literally enough room for 3 nfl fowards in the back seat.
The space is great but also makes it a massive vehicle to park. Parking it on a narrow street really sgows how wide it actually is compared to other cars. Even with the mirrors tucked in they still stick out.
The rear lights arent my favourite feature thats for sure. Might change those eventually to the USA styles lights.
The seats are amazing, extremely comfotable and probably one of the best I've sat in. The controls all feel solid and well made, typical Japanese.
So theres the update. Love it, a couple of things that i have to compromise but all in all its a great car so far.
Does not have the character of the 110, the road feel or the presence. The 110 putts along beautifully and has always provided me with great driving pleasure, i dont think the patrol will ever match it. The Patrol feels almost artificial compared to the defender but im no journalist and comparing the both of them is like comparing a heavy weight boxer to a marathon runner. They are good at different things and different is the way I've had to go to suit my family and our needs.
Whats the 3rd row seating like? As someone with 4 kids im always interested to know what the seating is like in the very back. The great thing with my D3 is I (182cm tall) can sit reasonably comfortably in the 3rd row
Shane
2005 D3 TDV6 loaded to the brim with 4 kids!
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/220914-too-many-defender-write-ups-here-time-d3.html
Teenagers or smaller no issue at all. Adults would depend on the size. Im exactly 183 (6foot) its not bad compared to the pajero, pajero sport, mux and d5. There all about the same to be honest. The big plus wirh the patrol is you get cup holders and the seats aren't bad and quiet comfy
Update; so i was driving home past my local BP and the fuel gauge was half way between the half way mark and quater mark so i thought I'd top it up. It only took 75 liters of the 140 tank, my conclusion is that the gauge is miss leading. In saying that the trip computer displayed a possible 395km still available out of the tank so i dont know whats going on there and the gauge is definitely not accurate. Since then ive found that the gauge reads conservatively and i should use the trip computer.
Anyway the 75 liters gave me 446km, which puts me at 16.8ltrs per 100kms. Thats mostly eastern suburbs sydney driving and a couple of runs on the motorway for about 45 mintues each way and having owned it for a week using the go fast pedal a lot. Now to some that will be thirsty and your probably right but considering its weight 2.7 ton and has 400hp on tap i reckon its amazing. I worked out my figuers and the fuel consumption is about 25% more than my 110 (those that knlw my 110 know that its heavily modified and carries some weight).
I'm not a big fan of the foot handbrake and find myself trying to work out how hard i should apply it, feels like im doing leg press.
The power! The 400hp is worth every penny of economy lost. Its just so effortless. I reckon i could hook it up to one of our truck and dogs and accelerate easily. The look you get from p platers at the lights when they are trying to get in through the left lane and you leave them for dead is priceless. Its actually quite rewarding in a weird sort of way.
The comfort is beyond comfortable. The term "saloon" comes to mind. The thing is so comfortable and quiet that you forget how beasty it actually is. I can be cruising with the air Con in complete silence and next minute roaring past a vehicle in the blink of an eye, effortless.
The fact i don't have and egr or dpf is very reassuring. Its like a insurance policy in my head.
Quality: the thing just feels well built, tough, complaint and safe. I think when Nissan first listed them at more than 100k they were trying to cover the r and d and as a result the vehicle has a quality feel.
The child anchor points are a bit strange. 2 in the second row and 1 in the third. Why there isnt one in the second row in the middle is beyond me.
The 6 sided video camera is excellent and makes parking a breeze. Makes me wonder how i manged to park the 110 in some spots.
The info system us excellent and the live traffic feed is handy making navagation easy.
We leave on the 26th for Mildura (1020kms), then to Adelaide (390kms), Melbourne (755kms) and back to Sydney (900kms) will be great to see how she performs. Im going to use every opportunity to blast past every 200 series i seeand will report back.
Nando
[QUOTE=Zeros;2747432][QUOTE=johntins;2747262]Sorry. I have way too much crap in my life right now to be trying to detect implied irony. Try speaking clearly.
BTW, the first click on that post showed me clear figures. Maybe it closed down after that. I have no way of knowing how a site renders for you. Nor do I care. Do your own research. It is out there.
JayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
1994 D1 300TDi Manual: Dave
1980 SIII Petrol Tray: Doris
OKApotamus #74
Nanocom, D2 TD5 only.
stand behind it get some one to drive away quite hard, you will be quite pleased with the sound.
I'm trying to convince my mate to modify his exhaust system on his, but it is his wifes shopping trolley.
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