Y62 patrol

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Originally Posted by johntins

Me too, but the V8 7X series is a disgrace. How Toyota gets away with widening the front track to fit the V8 and leaves the rear untouched astounds me ( Iknow you can get around it, but...). Gwagens are unaffordable and Jeep.... nup. Trouble is, whatever the next Defender is, if there is one, I'll bet it will be IFS/IRS.

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TBH if the y61 patrol had a better diesel engine in it i would probably have it as my 1st choice (2015 or newer). Jeep has the payload of a cheese sandwich and id flat out refuse to sell my 110 for a 76 series.
One thing nissan does have is a reputation for a bullet proof drivetrain, something Toyota can never lay claim to. Toyota has the mighty v8 but its drivetrain leaves a lot to be desired. The 70 series clutches are just as bad if not worse than the pumas. At least the pumas rattles but keeps going. The 70s cant handle the torque and slip until they eventually let go. The pajero is a good all rounder but nothing about it is impressive. The y62s suspension has hydraulics which make it act like a live axel offraod. Its a compromise but looks good in the reviews. Never be as good as rhe real thing though.

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Originally Posted by johntins

Me too, but the V8 7X series is a disgrace. How Toyota gets away with widening the front track to fit the V8 and leaves the rear untouched astounds me ( Iknow you can get around it, but...). Gwagens are unaffordable and Jeep.... nup. Trouble is, whatever the next Defender is, if there is one, I'll bet it will be IFS/IRS.

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Just imagine if LR did something like that,you would never here the end of it......

And they upgraded the 70 series range and left it as is....[bigsad]

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Originally Posted by 1nando

TBH if the y61 patrol had a better diesel engine in it i would probably have it as my 1st choice (2015 or newer). Jeep has the payload of a cheese sandwich and id flat out refuse to sell my 110 for a 76 series.
One thing nissan does have is a reputation for a bullet proof drivetrain, something Toyota can never lay claim to. Toyota has the mighty v8 but its drivetrain leaves a lot to be desired. The 70 series clutches are just as bad if not worse than the pumas. At least the pumas rattles but keeps going. The 70s cant handle the torque and slip until they eventually let go. The pajero is a good all rounder but nothing about it is impressive. The y62s suspension has hydraulics which make it act like a live axel offraod. Its a compromise but looks good in the reviews. Never be as good as rhe real thing though.

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Something most people overlook when discussing Toyota's "legendary reliability" is that, if you modify your car in almost any way, but particularly with performance upgrades or tyre size increases, you have voided your drivetrain warranty. Blow your clutch and you are on your own. That isn't a comment on warranty, because, as we all know, there are warranties and then there are warranties. It's more a statement on the attitude that 'we have built this car to a standard, and it will do OK as long as it is within that standard', but they won't back up the reliability myth. Now, I don't know LR's position on this, but heck, EVERYBODY modifies a Defender if they own one.

Exactly,when the guy next door picked up his new Dual cab tray back,they said,modify this vehicle in any way,and your complete warranty has gone.That includes modifying the exhaust.

Toyota do their utmost to get out of any warranty claim,i know first hand,as we have a fleet of Tojo vans.

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Originally Posted by 1nando

3ltr diesel?

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Now, there's a car I wouldn't touch. Nissan has proved, time after time, that they are capable of building superb engines. And then they put out the ZD30... Sure, they say if you blank the EGR... but that is illegal :wub:. Sure, it might work better in a smaller car.. But LR has used 2.5 TDs in big cars. Toyboata use the 2.4 DiD in things like the Prado. Nissan did themselves no favours when they put that lump in a thing with the mass of a Patrol.

Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS. Not as tasteless as a 200 series, but bling to the max. Subjective, I know, but if I had one as a company car I would park it down the road. Have you considered an Everest?? Not too bad, by all accounts. Got some bling, but not so in your face as the Nissan.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Just imagine if LR did something like that,you would never here the end of it......

And they upgraded the 70 series range and left it as is....[bigsad]

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AND, they charge $75 plus K for a bottom spec Troopy, and want you to pay extra for Air! And people pay it! It's a primitive van, FFS!

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Originally Posted by johntins

Now, there's a car I wouldn't touch. Nissan has proved, time after time, that they are capable of building superb engines. And then they put out the ZD30... Sure, they say if you blank the EGR... but that is illegal :wub:. Sure, it might work better in a smaller car.. But LR has used 2.5 TDs in big cars. Toyboata use the 2.4 DiD in things like the Prado. Nissan did themselves no favours when they put that lump in a thing with the mass of a Patrol.

Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS. Not as tasteless as a 200 series, but bling to the max. Subjective, I know, but if I had one as a company car I would park it down the road. Have you considered an Everest?? Not too bad, by all accounts. Got some bling, but not so in your face as the Nissan.

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I had a look at those,a lot smaller than a patrol,or even a D4.

Didn't seem bad,and many aftermarket accessories as well,which goes in its favour.A bit expensive for what it is.

Also not a 'heavy duty vehicle',such as a Patrol,D4,thats if you need one.

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Originally Posted by johntins

Now, there's a car I wouldn't touch. Nissan has proved, time after time, that they are capable of building superb engines. And then they put out the ZD30... Sure, they say if you blank the EGR... but that is illegal :wub:. Sure, it might work better in a smaller car.. But LR has used 2.5 TDs in big cars. Toyboata use the 2.4 DiD in things like the Prado. Nissan did themselves no favours when they put that lump in a thing with the mass of a Patrol.

Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS. Not as tasteless as a 200 series, but bling to the max. Subjective, I know, but if I had one as a company car I would park it down the road. Have you considered an Everest?? Not too bad, by all accounts. Got some bling, but not so in your face as the Nissan.

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"Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS."

Must admit i thought exactly the same. Then it started to look better every day i researched it. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As for EGR blanking, dpf etc, its a bit of a turnoff for me. Im convinced that a good chunk of modern diesel engines fail as a result of all the BS thats required to make them meet emissions targets. Our Mack truck rep told me that the egr system on on Tridents would cut its life span by 25%.
Some dpfs require an hours worth of driving at 80kmph once a week to do a regeneration. A lot of people buy these cars and drive them in the city and dont even realise that they're killing the engine.
One of rhe first things i did to my 110 was remap and close the egr.

The only vehicle other than LR I would consider is the V6 Amarok. Pat

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Who is quoting a TD5... [emoji6]

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i was having a subtle dig at TD5's [bigwhistle]