Y62 patrol

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Originally Posted by Zeros

They might sound ok, but geez the new patrol is ugly! It makes the D5 look magnificent, better fuel economy too and better pricing for D5! Why would anyone buy a Patrol for $90 odd k?

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i respect your opinion.
The d5 has an arse that makes J-lo look like an anorexic girl and the new engines are uncharted water, my opinion.
Fuel economy in my opinion is really not an issue. People will buy their lunch everyday and spend more on that than the running cost of a v8 petrol and complain that i may use $10-$15 more per day. Then you have to factor in that the v8 in the patrol will more than likely give me a lot less headaches and greater long term reliability than a common rail diesel with all the emissions crap bolted on over 100k kms.
I paid 15k less than the $90k you mention so for the amount of car i get I'm feeling chuffed. Unless you've sat and driven in one you can't appreciate how great it is to drive.
But thanks for your opinion, hopefully you respect mine.

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i respect your opinion.
The d5 has an arse that makes J-lo look like an anorexic girl and the new engines are uncharted water, my opinion.
Fuel economy in my opinion is really not an issue. People will buy their lunch everyday and spend more on that than the running cost of a v8 petrol and complain that i may use $10-$15 more per day. Then you have to factor in that the v8 in the patrol will more than likely give me a lot less headaches than a common rail diesel with all the emissions crap bolted on over 100k kms.
I paid 15k less than the $90k you mention so for the amount of car i get I'm feeling chuffed. Unless you've sat and driven in one you can't appreciate how great it is to drive.
But thanks for your opinion, hopefully you respect mine.

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Hey 1nando, yes totally respect your opinion, thanks for sharing, glad to hear you're loving your new Y62 Patrol! ...it's diverse opinions that make this forum and life in general so interesting. Aesthetics is absolutely personal, that's why I value it so highly in a world increasingly obsessed with homogeneity and formulas for everything we do.

...for what it's worth I reckon both the D5 and the Patrol have big butts! I'm partial to curves too, but it's the compromised interior load space that curved butts on 4x4s deliver that I don't like.

I actually saw a newish Y62 today in black on black! It was big and badass. ...just not my thing. 👍

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Hey 1nando, yes totally respect your opinion, thanks for sharing, glad to hear you're loving your new Y62 Patrol! ...it's diverse opinions that make this forum and life in general so interesting. Aesthetics is absolutely personal, that's why I value it so highly in a world increasingly obsessed with homogeneity and formulas for everything we do.

...for what it's worth I reckon both the D5 and the Patrol have big butts! I'm partial to curves too, but it's the compromised interior load space that curved butts on 4x4s deliver that I don't like.

I actually saw a newish Y62 today in black on black! It was big and badass. ...just not my thing. [emoji106]

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100% agree.


If you want "badass".....pretty hard to beat my defender;https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...17/11/1049.jpg

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Originally Posted by 1nando

100% agree.


If you want "badass".....pretty hard to beat my defender;https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...17/11/1049.jpg

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Now that's sexy! 👍 but I'm partial to the less badass more classic look with standard wolf rims and no bar.

Although, I've also just seen your post selling it and I reckon you're going to regret it!

Your probably right but i have to do the right thing by my family mate so it has to go. I needed a decent family car;hence the patrol and the toy has to go while the markets good. A decison made with the head and not the heart

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Your probably right but i have to do the right thing by my family mate so it has to go. I needed a decent family car;hence the patrol and the toy has to go while the markets good. A decison made with the head and not the heart

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Fair enough. All the best.
Another Defender sidelined for not keeeping up with safety regs etc! What were JLR thinking taking so long to address these issues! And we still don't have a next Defender with airbags! Hmmm

As I see it, the biggest loss here, the biggest kick in the guts is Tata's total abandonment of their "base". The thing is, it was a very small base. Toyota can sell more hideous Lexus Hybrids than all of LR put together. Unless you want a Morgan or a Noble, there is no future in making what are essentially 'niche' vehicles, and LR has to become financially viable. To do that, they need to make cars the punters will buy. The D5 and it's variants will outsell the D4 by a huge margin, as it is what huge numbers of people want. But it's more than that. We now have multiple cars on the one platform. The Evoque, formerly Freelander 2, has spawned a Jaguar or two. You watch, there is going to be much, much more of that.

It's hard to blame Tata for that. They did not buy LR to lose money. I still hold out hope that they, once LR is on sound financial footings, will bring a true to it's roots LR 4WD to the market. But I won't be holding my breath.

Poor Land Rover? I don't think so. They're doing very nicely...
...reckon they can afford a Defender upgrade and an airbag of two. We all wait with bated breath...

JLR 2017:

Record sales of 604,009 vehicles, up 16%

Strong fourth quarter with revenues of £7.3 billion, up 10%,
generating pre-tax profits of £676 million, up 17%

Full-year revenues £24.3 billion, up 9%,
generating pre-tax profits of £1.6 billion, up 3%

[QUOTE=Zeros;2747147]Poor Land Rover? I don't think so. They're doing very nicely...
...reckon they can afford a Defender upgrade and an airbag of two. We all wait with bated breath... [QUOTE].

They are doing nicely now, Zeros. But they weren't. They have had various owners. Do you think Tata paid loose change for them? They need to see a major return on their investment. Chucking "an airbag or two" in the Defender was not going to do that, nor would it have got the Defender through the increasingly stringent safety and emissions testing. The Defender was selling at less than 10,000 units globally. No way can a major re-engineering ( as adding airbags would be ) be justified on those figures.

• Land Rover global sales by model 2013-16 | Statistic

I like the look of the Y62 from the front, but they are still ugly from the rear. Quite a few of them around here and they look very wide parked next to a 200 series cruiser.