Thread: Y62 patrol

Originally Posted by shack

Sorry, I have no other info, they could have been full of it..I really don't know!

I guess anyone that tries to take a petrol V8 outback as far as they did could be questioned as to sanity.... Although it was funny to watch them flying along past everyone, only to have to double back for fuel when they realised they wouldn't make it!! Ironically wasting more fuel in the process, they seemed pretty cranky about that.

Just add a long ranger tank, which adds 80 litres. A current LC 300 has 110 litres, 200 138 litres. The Patrol has 140 so add 80 and it would be 220 litres. If towing at 25 litres / 100km, 210 litres (10 litre sneeze factor) would get you

Type	Used	To Use	Range
Y62	25	210	840
LC200	18	128	711
D4	15	80	533

These preceding figures show range of a Y62 at 25 litres/100km compared to a 200 series diesel and a D4 LR all towing. Some tests also portray the Y62 as using even less than a 200 series towing a 3 tonne van. But the driver is important and to get decent fuel economy on a Y62 would require slowing down on hill climbs IMO, hence not so relaxing and you'd have to think about it. But it's took of one way to stay awake!

10 litre for sneeze factor and with a diesel, you cannot run it empty due to likely bottom tank contaminants, you can with the petrol.

There is also a Long Ranger tank that will remove the spare tyre, same for the D4 etc, in the Y62 it adds an extra 152 litres to the 140.

As to weights: here is a list of the weights. And advantage with LR is no need to add air springs to the rear axle. And air springs add some weight. Most towing Landcruisers have GVM upgrades, which ruin their around town ride (they must IMO).

Some raw numbers showing the payloads of vehicles able to tow:

Type	Vehicle	Gross	Braked	Kerb	Gross	Calc'd
		Comb	Tow	Weight	Vehicle	Pay
		Mass	Limit		Mass	load
		kg	kg	kg	kg	kg
4 Dr Troopy	Toyota LC79 GXL 4-Door V8	6800	3500	2175	3300	1125
4 Dr Troopy	Toyota LC76 GXL 4-Door 4	6560	3500	2265	3060	795
aUte	Toyota Hilux SR5 UTE	5850	3500	2093	3050	957
aUte	Ford Ranger Sport V6 UTE	6400	3500	2400	3350	950
SUV	INEOS Grenadier Petrol	7000	3500	2665	3550	885
SUV	INEOS Grenadier Diesel	7000	3500	2740	3550	810
SUV	GWM Tank 500	6705	3000	2605	3395	790
SUV	Toyota LC300 GX	6750	3500	2495	3280	785
SUV	Defender X-Dynamic SE 7	6775	3500	2506	3280	774
SUV	Defender X-Dynamic SE 5	6700	3500	2436	3200	764
SUV	Toyota LC 200 GX 2021	6850	3500	2640	3350	710
SUV	Toyota LC 300 GXL	6750	3500	2580	3280	700
SUV	Ford Everest Sport V6	6250	3500	2455	3150	695
SUV	Nissan Patrol Ti	7000	3500	2812	3500	688
SUV	Ford Everest Platinum V6	6250	3500	2499	3150	651
SUV	Toyota LC 300 Sahara	6750	3500	2630	3280	650
SUV	Nissan Patrol Ti-L	7000	3500	2861	3500	639
SUV	Prado GXL	6600	3500	2535	3150	615
SUV	Toyota LC 200 Sahara 2019	6850	3500	2740	3350	610
SUV	Prado 250 VX	6600	3500	2570	3180	610
SUV	Prado Base GX	6600	3500	2495	3100	605
SUV	Prado Kakadu	6600	3500	2595	3200	605
SUV	Lexus GX 550	6650	3500	2515	3110	595
SUV	Prado Altitude	6600	3500	2520	3100	580

Incidentally the Tank is quite good off road, luxo inside, but is not suitable for towing as its a hybrid and it depends on its battery power for adequate performance, while the battery power is not there while distance towing.a

The Prado has been disabled IMO by putting in metal doors and thereby increasing its weight a lot, otherwise it would have competed with the LC 300 quite well IMO, although its engine and ad-blue are severe negatives IMO. Nonetheless it benefits from "serviceability" in remote areas.

Also Land Rover never have lost their patent on pushing the unlifted tyre downwards in off road mode via air pressure from the parallel tyre. They are linked front to back in high range. Meanwhile the Y62 links the front to the rear I think all the time with hydraulics, a system I do not fully understand. But IMO they are very good off road compared to other vehicles in standard form (excepting LR, Ineos and GR LC 300 probably) except for the Y62's bulk. The Y63 will have air suspension and a turbo V6, I imagine it will be more fuel efficient except if one uses its power.

Now if you add 2 adults that's 160kg, plus two children that's 90kg, = 250kg. 639 => 389. The fuel tank would weigh 40kg, so 349 left, not including the 80 litres of fuel = 60kg =>289 kg. Take a bull bar off that @ 45kg =>244kg.

Now you if you added a 2.5 tonne van to that, will that would add 250 kg, which means your illegal. Not including the weight of the tow bar. Plus some clothing and drinks in the Y62. Add levelling air springs for safety, and you add more weight.

Add a fridge @ 40kg + battery at 30 kg + wires plus a rear view camera all up 15 kg its another 85 kg and then some light weight draw with some tools in them and its another 50kg. ... you've lost your insurance and you're breaking the law.

Yet - it's all quite close to being legal. Running with the 2nd tank empty, you'd have 244 kg. That's hopefully a 2.4 tonne van. Annoyingly though, it would be safer if it was 280 kg - weight on the rear for a van is a good thing. Put it down the back of the van and things are much less safe ... so the tow ball weight issue is fraught with safety issues where a rear weight biased trailer is more dangerous but legal while a safer weight bias is illegal.

I wonder if makers don't do this deliberately, to make it difficult to use the vehicle for what they market them for - long country driving and towing along with some things and people inside the vehicle. Maybe its lawyers, actuaries and warranty number crunchers who have sat down and said lets make it difficult for an Australian tow vehicle to tow a 3.5 tonne caravan with a four people in it legally. And the proof is in the pudding ...

Originally Posted by Tombie

Diesel tanks pump from bottom so no contamination issue.

Why is your D4 not showing a LR tank in your calcs?

That'll do for now!

I'll have to check ... I may have included my caravan's (AOR Matrix V3) 4 Jerry holders, so it can carry an extra 80 litres, but its difficult to fill the Disco with them, my attempts have resulted in diesel all over my jeans with my wife complaining about being able to wash them!! I now have a shaker hose and would use a folding table, but haven't tried it.

Also my D4 is overweight now I think, because my tow ball is 320 kg and that is with diesel tanks filled in the rear of the caravan, and non in the front. I had thought the handbooks claiming not to count 150kg of the tow ball weight was real, but it's not.

On range while towing the 2.5 tonne van, I now get around 450 - 540 km estimated. So I think from mid 13's to high 16s. My economy used to be better with the standard tyres, but when I went to 65 profile on the 18" wheels, the economy fell ie i used more litres per 100km.