Toyota to replace the V8

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I think fuel economy only get us so far when comparing LC to LR. It only takes one (...And it will happen) gearbox failure in a D3/4/RR to fail and the running costs are well back in favour of the LC. Early on 200 had issues will oil use and I understand that they need injector replacements and maybe new injector pumps at 160,000k?? But apart from that the 200 seems like a battle tank. No they don't drive as nicely as a Land Rover but they certainly have other attributes.

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Seems like a battle tank? I would never want to be in one...

They are quite fragile - arms, bushes and small clips.
Engine starters go without warning and you need to disassemble half the engine to replace it.
They wallow around, the transmissions shift like crap.

And when towing Toyota tell you to use 4th in the Auto!
Why you see so many towing at pathetically low speeds to keep the consumption down.

A mate just sold his Sahara, and went back to his GU TD42T - his words “It’s better (the GU), not as many features, but it’s better.”

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Originally Posted by Homestar

With Hyundai offering 5 year warranties (soon to be 7) and Kias offering 7 years (soon to be 10) it makes them incredible value for money and I’m sure the OEMs wouldn’t offer such warranties if they were unreliable **** boxes. Having both Hyundai’s and Kias in the family fleet I can tell you they just seem to go. Mates Kia Carnival had its first breakage a few weeks back - it’s 8 years old with 200,000 Km on it and is shown no love other than servicing. The window winder in the back broke on one side - he was gutted. [emoji38]

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Know what all these vehicles get in Thailand?
12 months warranty. That’s all.

In Australia the length of warranty offered doesn’t matter - AC Law protects us beyond that period. Hence the warranties just align to what our consumer protection provides anyway.

This is just marketing to sell them.

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Originally Posted by skuilnaam

In Australia the length of warranty offered doesn’t matter - AC Law protects us beyond that period.

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Not fore the average person - if you cannot get the ACCC to take on your case (and it generally does not happen) it will be expensive to enforce your rights.

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Not fore the average person - if you cannot get the ACCC to take on your case (and it generally does not happen) it will be expensive to enforce your rights.

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So True. The ACCC is completely useless. All they do is refer you to VCAT , QCAT or whatever jurisdiction your in & they too are just as useless . Been tried by Iveco 4x4 Owners & Lawyers on owners behalf with no result. They are not fit for purpose.

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Originally Posted by skuilnaam

Know what all these vehicles get in Thailand?
12 months warranty. That’s all.

In Australia the length of warranty offered doesn’t matter - AC Law protects us beyond that period. Hence the warranties just align to what our consumer protection provides anyway.

This is just marketing to sell them.

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Have you been watching Cadogen?

The Consumer Laws are,.in practice, far from a contractual warranty especially at higher k's and years. You can see vehicle manufacturers offering higher warranties as their vehicles improve. Unfortunately JRA haven't to date and the reason is clear. Their vehicles have too many problems for them to cop the costs. I'm a LR tragic of many decades but let's still see things without the rose tint.

The new Defender and other range built in Slovakia is a litmus test for me. If they can't offer at.least 150,000k standard with 5 years and a cheapish 200,000k and 7 year option then that says a lot. My D2 v8 was faultless to 200,000k until it did an alternator. Surely if they can source the right gearbox and can bolt together the Ingeniums with decent cranshafts and bearings this new crop should not cause them warranty heartache when offering a fair dinkum warranty. To offer 3 years 100,000k is just taking the Mick when you are talking 90k plus vehicles and most Discos even hitting the road over 6 figures.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

No major changes to the Hilux? You’re joking right? It’s like saying there were no major changes from the D4 to the D5. The current model and previous model are chalk and cheese to each other, I’ve had both as company cars so can tell you how different they are. From engine, gearbox and most of the chassis being total new, so is the interior and most importantly the seats. Tow capacity also updated. New model isn’t proving to be half as robust as the previous model though despite it being much more comfortable. They are 2 very different vehicles both in spec and how they drive. Saying they are basically the same for the last 3 1/2 years would be correct.

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I stand corrected. The last of the older style Hilux's was 2015 I think.
I have owned a few different models of Hilux over the years and I have had a great run out of all of them.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

With Hyundai offering 5 year warranties (soon to be 7) and Kias offering 7 years (soon to be 10) it makes them incredible value for money and I’m sure the OEMs wouldn’t offer such warranties if they were unreliable **** boxes. Having both Hyundai’s and Kias in the family fleet I can tell you they just seem to go. Mates Kia Carnival had its first breakage a few weeks back - it’s 8 years old with 200,000 Km on it and is shown no love other than servicing. The window winder in the back broke on one side - he was gutted. 😆

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Having worked in the small engine industry, one company I worked for in the 80's was the first to introduce 12 months warranty - up from the 3 months industry standard.
The number of "warranty" claims we knocked back as " fair wear and tear", was 90% of the claims.
Something to bear in mind when your Kia starter motor won't work anymore at 160,000 klm.
Taken from the Kia website.

KIA warrants that your new KIA Vehicle is free from defects in material or workmanship, subject to the following terms and conditions. A KIA Dealer will make necessary repairs, using genuine KIA parts, to correct any defects in material or workmanship covered by this warranty without charge to you. Refer to the following pages for specific warranty coverage guidelines and terms and conditions.
Change of Owner
During the warranty period, the KIA New Vehicle Warranty is transferable to subsequent owners of a KIA vehicle.

David

As long as they don't say engines, gearboxes and turbo chargers are wear and tear I think I would survive [emoji15][emoji16][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]. Starter motors... well it would be covered by any warranty and at least you have a written contractual warranty that implies the major components will last the life of the warranty period or be replaced/repaired. With Land Rover the issues that would be covered by a similar warranty to Hyundai, Mist Triton etc are the very things, the major things that can write off a 5-7 year old vehicle that LR must provide satisfaction against.

Cheerd

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Originally Posted by ozscott

As long as they don't say engines, gearboxes and turbo chargers are wear and tear I think I would survive [emoji15][emoji16][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]. Starter motors... well it would be covered by any warranty and at least you have a written contractual warranty that implies the major components will last the life of the warranty period or be replaced/repaired. With Land Rover the issues that would be covered by a similar warranty to Hyundai, Mist Triton etc are the very things, the major things that can write off a 5-7 year old vehicle that LR must provide satisfaction against.

Cheerd

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Yes, most consumers consider that is what warranty means - total replacement, free of charge, for any failure in the warranty period. Doh.

To put things into perpective:

• My work ute (a 3L Diesel 2009 4WD BT-50) is on 230,000km, with no major repairs ever performed. Drives beautifully. It is more reliable than the newer 3.2l 5 cylinder 2012 BT50s.
• Another work ute I sometimes drive is a 2008 2WD 2.7L vvti Hilux Workmate which is thirsty, gutless, has odd harmonic vibrations throughout the rev range and it creaks and groans with only 168,000 km....
• My personal car, a 2000 model Subaru Forester GT with mild lift) has done the Oodnadatta Track, Flinders Ranges, Coongie Lakes, Corner Country, Simpson Desert (Big Red multiple times) and Currawinya Nat Park. It has just over 232,000km and the only thing I had to replace was the radiator back at 150,000km. This car still has plenty of life left and we will be taking it to Cape York and possibly the Savannah Way to Kakadu and maybe even into WA. It is a beast in these conditions and can do many things quicker and more efficiently than bigger 4wds. It's a high riding rally car as opposed to a small 4x4.
• My LR Freelander 2 had its diff replaced under warranty back at 7000km. It's now at 70k km and, although flawless, I do get some clunking / vibration from the rear on takeoff if turning. I do wonder if this is the beginning of something wearing out. LR say it's fine. I have read reports of these cars lasting into the 300k kms.
• Our 2L Carburetted Hiace Poptop camper is on 360,000km. Gets 10l/100km, smells a bit but is not smoky. Most reliable car I have ever seen but the Forester is the most versatile, powerful, enjoyable to drive and super efficient (returning at worst about 11L/100km in the Simpson)..

What point am I trying to make? I don't really know. Just wanted to provide some comparisons.