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I keep being told about front suspensions having to be replaced in 200s and Hiluxes, including my sons'.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I keep being told about front suspensions having to be replaced in 200s and Hiluxes, including my sons'.

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I had a 2006 Hilux from new and traded it in at 332,000k's, All I had to replace was 2x batteries and an alternator during my ownership.
Maybe I looked after my Hilux and treated it better that your son has[bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I had a 2006 Hilux from new and traded it in at 332,000k's, All I had to replace was 2x batteries and an alternator during my ownership.
Maybe I looked after my Hilux and treated it better that your son has[bigwhistle]

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Agree .....We run a fleet of bonnet scoop era hi-luxs and a handful of the current models....mine has done 180k and hasn’t had a spanner on it and I don’t hear of any major issues with the others. Fleet means drivers don’t give a ****. I tow 2T trailers with a >200kg ball weight and don’t need airbag helpers...sits level. Sure I exceed the rear axle and TBW at times but it sits on $1.10 all day. No drive line clunks, no intermediate shafts issues

Haven’t seen a single Land Rover product on any of our mine sites and I don’t reckon we will see any of the all new Land Rover (Defender) either which is supposed to smash all others.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I had a 2006 Hilux from new and traded it in at 332,000k's, All I had to replace was 2x batteries and an alternator during my ownership.
Maybe I looked after my Hilux and treated it better that your son has[bigwhistle]

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I have two Hi Aces here in the driveway,bought new,one has 280000K's,the other 310000K's,never had a spanner on either.They are manuals,and have been loaded almost on GVM,driven as service vehicles.One is 2008,other is 2009.

Haven't even touched the brakes,only replaced batteries,usually every 3 to 4 yrs,and regular services at the stealers.

By far the best vehicles i have ever owned,we also have others with less K's on them,no issues either,even with the DPF's.

We have one 2yr old Mazda Bt 50 in the fleet,and it uses more fuel than the vans,services at Mazda are way more expensive than the Tojo stealers,(some are double the cost[bigsad]),and the cover on the fuel cooler fell off the other day.

I doubt there would be a Land Rover on the planet that would go even 100000k's without some sort of issue,yet alone 300000K's.

Sure they are more complicated,but after 70 plus years,you would think they would have things sorted,hopefully they will with this new Defender,as the last model run was not exactly an engineering masterpiece.

Thats just a fact us LR owners have to live with,and we keep buying them...[biggrin]

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Originally Posted by skuilnaam

Know what all these vehicles get in Thailand?
12 months warranty. That’s all.

In Australia the length of warranty offered doesn’t matter - AC Law protects us beyond that period. Hence the warranties just align to what our consumer protection provides anyway.

This is just marketing to sell them.

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Disagree, Australian consumer law isn’t worth the paper it’s written on when it comes to vehicles - we see that all the time how stealers make customers pay time and again for claims that should be covered - unless you can afford legal proceedings, your pretty well left hanging in the wind. Hyundai’s and Kias are some of the most reliable vehicle out there today - that’s why they are doing so well, where others are failing and why the last 2 new vehicles in our family have been these vehicles based on reviews and what’s happening in the real world. After sales service is not bad by stealer standards either - something Holden, Ford, LR and many other could learn from. Not sure what vehicles out there you think are more reliable at the moment.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I keep being told about front suspensions having to be replaced in 200s and Hiluxes, including my sons'.

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We have around 100 in our fleet - around a 50/50 split between older and current models - the breakdown data on the whole fleet with some vehicles pushing 250,000km now shows no suspension parts replaced - apart from 3 pairs front shockers, so not sure what that ones about - never heard of it myself.

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Originally Posted by W&KO

Agree .....We run a fleet of bonnet scoop era hi-luxs and a handful of the current models....mine has done 180k and hasn’t had a spanner on it and I don’t hear of any major issues with the others. Fleet means drivers don’t give a ****. I tow 2T trailers with a >200kg ball weight and don’t need airbag helpers...sits level. Sure I exceed the rear axle and TBW at times but it sits on $1.10 all day. No drive line clunks, no intermediate shafts issues

Haven’t seen a single Land Rover product on any of our mine sites and I don’t reckon we will see any of the all new Land Rover (Defender) either which is supposed to smash all others.

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Don’t see any Mercedes or BMWs on mine sites either.
The bonnet scoop Hiluxes are lined up outside the service bays though. When they can beat the 200s and the 7x’s

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I think fuel economy only get us so far when comparing LC to LR. It only takes one (...And it will happen) gearbox failure in a D3/4/RR to fail and the running costs are well back in favour of the LC. Early on 200 had issues will oil use and I understand that they need injector replacements and maybe new injector pumps at 160,000k?? But apart from that the 200 seems like a battle tank. No they don't drive as nicely as a Land Rover but they certainly have other attributes.

Cheers

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You need to check the facts. The ZF 6 speed boxes only give problems when they aren’t serviced. They can do ridiculous distances when serviced properly and will outlast the engines, especially the diesels which fail without warning.

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Originally Posted by Geedublya

You need to check the facts. The ZF 6 speed boxes only give problems when they aren’t serviced. They can do ridiculous distances when serviced properly and will outlast the engines, especially the diesels which fail without warning.

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Look. You are incorrect. Yes servicing helps (ie removing the so called sealed for life pan and replacing it with a serviceable pan)) and changing the fluid) but the ZF in the D3 and 4 is a shocker even when serviced. They don't and never have done the sort of mileage that the ZF 4 speed in the D1 or D2 have (unless you think 200k max is reasonable). You get the odd one that does more but many fail at lesser k's than 200k. They were really a bit light duty for the weight and torque of the D3/4. Please follow the following steps 1. Remove rose coloured glasses. 2. Start reading the litany of threads on this forum about the dreaded ZF 6 speed.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Look. You are incorrect. Yes servicing helps (ie removing the so called sealed for life pan and replacing it with a serviceable pan)) and changing the fluid) but the ZF in the D3 and 4 is a shocker even when serviced.

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Not sure where you are getting your facts from - but a ZF 6 serviced in accordance with the ZF service requirement is about the most reliable gearbox there is in a modern vehicle.