Toyota to replace the V8

The white metal status bush versions used in LRs and many other vehicles from mid 2008 though to the end of D4s using the 6-speed needed very frequent oil changes to avoid requiring a rebuild by around 120K. The earlier bronze stator bushes weren't problematic and ZF reverted to them after the white-metal ones failed prematurely. Whilst not a LR design fault, LR is blamed because the gearbox is in a LR.

The same could be said about the 3.0 and 4.4 oil cooler gaskets that can't withstand the heat and all the D4 turbos that were replaced until the revised secondary turbo drain was introduced - blame Ford if you like but the LR needs the work to keep it going.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Look. You are incorrect. Yes servicing helps (ie removing the so called sealed for life pan and replacing it with a serviceable pan)) and changing the fluid) but the ZF in the D3 and 4 is a shocker even when serviced. They don't and never have done the sort of mileage that the ZF 4 speed in the D1 or D2 have (unless you think 200k max is reasonable). You get the odd one that does more but many fail at lesser k's than 200k. They were really a bit light duty for the weight and torque of the D3/4. Please follow the following steps 1. Remove rose coloured glasses. 2. Start reading the litany of threads on this forum about the dreaded ZF 6 speed.

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Yeah right, my D4 V8 had the white metal bush and was at 230 k when sold. Still going strong without any problems.
When oil changes weren't performed the torque converter clutch was damaged and the fibres would contaminate the box causing lack of oil flow. This is what caused the damage. I've spoken at length to a transmission specialist, he has no problem with the ZF box when it is serviced. Though he does have a problem with the transmission coolers and suggests they be replaced before too many kms as they destroy the box when they fail.

The only rose coloured glasses I've seen are yours when you talk about D2s. [bigrolf][bigrolf] Crap motors, crap gearboxes, an interior that disintegrates before your eyes, unbelievable NVH, tiny side mirrors and the list goes on. The D3 was a quantum jump from them. Yes I did own one.

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Yeah right, my D4 V8 had the bronze bush and was at 230 k when sold. Still going strong without any problems.
When oil changes weren't performed the torque converter clutch was damaged and the fibres would contaminate the box causing lack of oil flow. This is what caused the damage. I've spoken at length to a transmission specialist, he has no problem with the ZF box when it is serviced. Though he does have a problem with the transmission coolers and suggests they be replaced before too many kms as they destroy the box when they fail.

The only rose coloured glasses I've seen are yours when you talk about D2s. [bigrolf][bigrolf] Crap motors, crap gearboxes, an interior that disintegrates before your eyes, unbelievable NVH, tiny side mirrors and the list goes on. The D3 was a quantum jump from them. Yes I did own one.

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Hilarous. Nice attack. I wont continue this as people can search this site and see clearly what the faults are with D2 and D3/4 for themselves. Enjoy your vehicle in Rose hue.

Cheers!

Lots of D3/4 ZF6's displaying issues and failing at less than 200k even with shortened service intervals.
My own vehicle was a 1 owner never towed or used offroad analy serviced vehicle and I'm now getting valve body failure symptoms. And I know it was flushed and new pan/filter done at a dealer at 100k.

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Not sure where you are getting your facts from - but a ZF 6 serviced in accordance with the ZF service requirement is about the most reliable gearbox there is in a modern vehicle.

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Arr...this site to start with. You have been around here long enough to read about the dramas. I know people also that have the boxes go.early. Yes the D2 had issues but the 6 speed ZF was a retrograde step compared to D2 longevity for the R380 manual and the 4 speed ZF.

Cheers
PS. Far out...don't know how I survive with such tiny side mirrors [emoji16]

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Not sure where you are getting your facts from - but a ZF 6 serviced in accordance with the ZF service requirement is about the most reliable gearbox there is in a modern vehicle.

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Umm,no,the 8 speed would be by far.

My indie,one of the largest and most respected in the country, said they have quite a lot of issues with them,torque converters being the main issue.And even if serviced regularly.They do the oil change and flush at 60K towing,80k no towing,and use genuine fluid,not some replacement stuff.The 8 speed they have virtually no issues with.

FWIW,didn't Dazza say on here recently,he has never changed so many failed engines in one model,referring to D3/4?

As for the D2,i loved my last D2,a D2a,and in some ways it was a better and more reliable vehicle than the D4.
Sure it did have a lot of NVH at certain revs,a few Land Rover niggles,easily fixed,but as a remote area,capable off road tourer,a great vehicle.

Oh,and just like my '96 HSV Clubby,i should never have sold that D2a.

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Umm,no,the 8 speed would be by far.

My indie,one of the largest and most respected in the country, said they have quite a lot of issues with them,torque converters being the main issue.And even if serviced regularly.They do the oil change and flush at 60K towing,80k no towing,and use genuine fluid,not some replacement stuff.The 8 speed they have virtually no issues with.

FWIW,didn't Dazza say on here recently,he has never changed so many failed engines in one model,referring to D3/4?

As for the D2,i loved my last D2,a D2a,and in some ways it was a better and more reliable vehicle than the D4.
Sure it did have a lot of NVH at certain revs,a few Land Rover niggles,easily fixed,but as a remote area,capable off road tourer,a great vehicle.

Oh,and just like my '96 HSV Clubby,i should never have sold that D2a.

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Absolutely mate. I am getting very excited about the new Defender because I am expect they will use the 8 speed (maybe a 10 on time but 8 would be fine...) and it is a strong box. Likewise Ingenium motors will hopefully do away for ever with the 2.7 and 3.0 diesel crank issues (And yes the 4.0 D2 head gasket issues from running roo hot issues and Td5 head issues etc etc).

The D5 likewise should have a great life drivetrain.

Cheers

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Arr...this site to start with. You have been around here long enough to read about the dramas. I know people also that have the boxes go.early. Yes the D2 had issues but the 6 speed ZF was a retrograde step compared to D2 longevity for the R380 manual and the 4 speed ZF.

Cheers
PS. Far out...don't know how I survive with such tiny side mirrors [emoji16]

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I had a D2 and the auto was wasn't very clever, would change up when accelerating hard if I lifted my foot a little to keep the turbo on boost, had to hold the throttle to the floor to get it to perform. My D3's auto is much smarter and smoother, but as you say they seem to have longevity issues, mine's done 230 K and needs a rebuild.

Back on subject, everyone thinks the Cruiser is the best selling 4wd worldwide, with approx. 16 million sold, but according to James May's "Cars Of The People" the Ford F-truck is with 35 million sold IIRC. James May's Cars of the People - Wikipedia

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Back on subject, everyone thinks the Cruiser is the best selling 4wd worldwide, with approx. 16 million sold, but according to James May's "Cars Of The People" the Ford F-truck is with 35 million sold IIRC. James May's Cars of the People - Wikipedia

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No,its the best selling 4wd wagon(the LC200) in Australia,year on year,but them again,just like the 70 series,the only real opposition it has had for at least the last few years is itself.Before that it was probably the D4,which didn't seem to put a dent in the LC sales.

FWIW,the V8 petrol has now been dropped from the LC line up.It was a pretty old low tech engine,and accounted for less than 5% of sales.They recently also dropped the petrol from the Prado line up,so much for going away from diesels.

I saw a release or leak from Toyota saying it will be a V6 with lots of kw's and tourques (more than the V8) available as both turbo diesel and turbo petrol to be followed up with a hybrid.