All fuels if not burnt correctly will produce CO, it is what happens if insufficient oxygen gets to the point of combustion. I would like to know why metho is considered safer than gas.
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All fuels if not burnt correctly will produce CO, it is what happens if insufficient oxygen gets to the point of combustion. I would like to know why metho is considered safer than gas.
Not sure if that is really the case but if so, perhaps it is because metho (methanol, CH3OH) contains some oxygen so probably burns cleaner.Quote:
Originally Posted by slug_burner
On the flip side...Quote:
Originally Posted by slug_burner
Metho (ethanol with a tainting agent) burns clear, I'd be more concerned that a fire would not be easily identified from a metho spill before it started to burn other combustibles.
Methanol is similar, there have been numerous cases in motorsports of fires in the pit areas where people have been burning, but the flames are clear, making fighting them (and keeping them under control) difficult.
Your right. My mistake, it's mostly ethanol :)
Adding a bit of water to the metho in the Trangia stove reduces the soot significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by austastar
Although a nicely sooted Trangia pot is a badge of honour in many camping circles!
The only thing I can think of in the context here, is that with a gas cylinder you can potentially burn a number of litres of LPG, with a metho stove we are probably talking much smaller amount 100-200ml ?? therefore the total potential quantity of CO is much reduced. (sound feasible/reasonable)Quote:
Originally Posted by slug_burner
Martyn
That could be the reason. I think there are people that are very comfortable with liquid fuels, others very comfortable with gaseous fuels. Some with both. I have used both and also solid fuels and am most comfortable with gas, no spills no smell just a a metal cylinder. Weight is probably an issue for hikers so carrying a a pressure vessel might put people off Gas.
We used LPG stoves and lanterns for years. Reliable enough and worked. When the cylinders reached their "sorry we can't refill that" date, I changed the stove and lanterns over to Coleman Shellite/ULP powered units (2x 533 single burners stoves and a northstar lantern). The 533's leave LPG stoves for dead. Way way more BTU's. The lantern also was way superior to the LPG units we'd used previously .... And the bonus was if you ran out of Shellite all it took was some ULP and you're away ! Bit hard to fill and empty 3.3kg cylinder in the bush.
The new Kamper came with 2x LPG cylinders, and stove/grill/wok burner, diesel fired HWS and LED lighting .... Yes to the LED lighting ... Have to live with the LPG .... Still prefer the Coleman stoves by far. Diesel fired HWS gets a huge thumbs up (and it doubles as a space heater for the Kamper tent) !!! :) That improves the camping experience :)
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You're the one that made the ridiculous statement about where or what to carry as fuel for camp cooking, then you have a shot at someone who disagrees with your view, Fair Go, Regards Frank.
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Originally Posted by bacicat
Not sure of your point mate? :confused: That is just my point of view. Lots of water under the bridge since I wrote that, but I stand by what I said. Me - that is ME, not you or anyone else - will not carry LPG cylinders in my vehicle, if you want to, that's fine, I don't think I bagged anyone out for doing it, and I even said that although lots of people do it, in reality there are very few incidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank
This was just my response to Dave's question about where you might carry them. He's a mate of mine and I really don't think he took offence to what I said - he's got a pretty thick skin - he has to - he owns Fords.... :D
If you think that is having a shot at someone, you don't know me very well. I keep it nice on here as per the forum rules. In the real world I tell people what I really think of them...;)
Oh, and what ridiculous statement did I make - you'll have to be clearer on what that was, because I've checked all my posts in this thread and they all make sense to me.