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    Holley 390??

    hi all, just wondering if anyone has or knows where i can get a second hand holley 390?

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    When are you going to add where your from ?
    A 390 4 BBL is a POS , go to the wreckers and get a FalconXE/XF type 2 barrel Weber and buy an adapter ,otherwise the twin CDs on a 82 are still better than any Holley . What manifold you got that takes a 4BBL squarebore ?

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    Sorry I'm in brissy, so you reckon the ol stromburgs will be the best to use? What dies the 2 barrel weber go like? ATM I have a 350 Holley and it is juts certainly not big enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82rangie View Post
    Sorry I'm in brissy, so you reckon the ol stromburgs will be the best to use? What dies the 2 barrel weber go like? ATM I have a 350 Holley and it is juts certainly not big enough.
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    The best set-up is an Edelbrock dual plane manifold and a Rochester Quadrajet.

    You can tune for more top end by cutting down the plenum divider.
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    What size rochester?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82rangie View Post
    What size rochester?
    Quadrajet. four barrel with small primaries and enormous vacuum secondaries.

    Used on Chev and Holden V8's.
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    The standard 2 x 175 cd will well outflow anything sub 500 CFM , albeit maybe not with an "accelerator pump" effect Then definately stick to the twin strombergs , they are the only setup that will work well offroad , but you would have to go back to the standard manifold . . (There are at least three Rochestor 4 BBL s , the one off the 253 V8 , the one off the the 308 , and a version for big blocks , all of which would be useless on a 3.5 V8 although the 253 version would probably be better than any Holley or edelbrock.)
    You could always go to the Holley 500 2 barrel , with center hung floats , raised bowl breathers and a weber metereing block

    So you have a 350 Holley and its not big enough ?
    On a 3.5 Rover V8 ? 350 CFM at a VE 95% should easily manage 250HP ,(considering yours would be lucky to have 175 BHP) especially with a severely port-choked engine like all Rover V8's .

    Your 350 , fitted with the right jets , the right power valve , and the right accelerator pump cam and diaphragm , and for sure a new set of throttle shaft seals wiill be plenty big enough for any 3.5 V8, it just wont be much good off-road at angles , Still its a Holley , works well at 2 speeds only , Flat Knacker and idle !! LOL

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    The only thing that will be faster with the 390 Holley on a stock 3.5 is the drop rate of the fuel gauge. You need to do the cam, valves, compression ratio, distributor upgrade and advance curve to make a 3.5 go harder. Then the 350 Holley can have a jet change maybe and will be quite adequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPONGAS View Post
    . (There are at least three Rochestor 4 BBL s , the one off the 253 V8 , the one off the the 308 , and a version for big blocks , all of which would be useless on a 3.5 V8 although the 253 version would probably be better than any Holley or edelbrock.)
    LOL
    The Rochester workshop manual says there are three separate models, 4M, 4MV, 4MC. The differences are in the choke operation. Basically a Quadrajet is a Quadrajet, with external differences between models mainly to do with choke, emission controls, and secondaries operation. There are minor internal differences specific to make/model and application. At full open they flow more than 3 x 2" SU's, 860 cfm. Secondary venturies can be machined out to flow quite a bit more. With the small primaries Quadrajets are tractable and efficient at low speeds and in traffic. The opening of the secondaries can be tuned to suit most engines but I would not fit one as a full four barrel to anything 3 litres or smaller, except, as I have done successfully, to a red Holden using only the primary venturis. With the Edelbrock manifold Quadrajets work very well on the little V8. I have fitted them to Rover V8's and Chrysler Hemi 265's with great success. They are effective off-road having a small central float bowl and you should use the plastic float bowl packer which was standard on the later ones. There is a section in the Rochester manual on preparation for off-road racing. Fitting one to a Rover V8 is a great improvement on the standard set-up.
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    Jeez, I wished a quadrajet was just a quadrajet , never looked at the jetting ? the emulsion tubes. the hangar needles ,metering needles .various bleeds , power valves , the vac diaphragm springs ? the 3 different choke arrangements, the secondary adjustments .(PS the main reason drag racers dont use them is the fuel bowl size , they simply run out of fuel to quick ! There are more things to adjust and tune on A Quaddy than you poke a stick at !)
    Absolutely no way is any 4BBl quaddy or Holley "Better" than the Twin CD175'2 for the application . Forget the Su's , the CD's will stay in tune longer and are easier to setup and tune.
    It all comes downs to what inlet manifold he has , probably just the stocker with the hump machined off and 2 BBL adapter welded on ( done heaps of these myself but allways used a weber , from a falcon 28/36 or a 38mm DGMS )
    A edelbrock or willpower 4 BBL manifold will cost far more than the engines worth
    The 350 Holley once properly jetted , with right power valve annd accelerator pump and a few off-road mods will be just as good as any 4 bbl . Wonder where he got the idea that 350 CFM wasnt enough for his Little 3.5 V8 .?(with its severely port choked engine design ! OMG the MGV is almost sonic on those standard manifolds and heads ) Reminds me that the the original Holden 4.2 litre 253 CI motor only had the old WW2 strommie of 290 CFM .
    PS, the CFM rating is different for 2 barrels and 4 barrels , 4BBLs are rated at 1.5insHg and 2 BBLs at 2insHg

    for those who like the theory
    Start with the constant
    Max flow through the venturi 138 CFM per square inch of CSA at 25 insH20 @ STP
    or in the std case of Holley,rochestor,Carter , 124 CFM per square inch of CSA at 20insH2O or the 4 bbl standard of 1.5insHg
    or inthe case of a 2 barrel carb the manufacturers use 145 CFM per square inch of CSA at 28insHg or 2 insHg
    So . lets take the standard 1 3/4 CD strommie = 1.75 diameter = 2.40625 sqins = 300CFM (@ the 4bbl std)
    or 350 CFM using the 2 BBL standard .
    So (theoreticaly twin CD 175.s can flow between 600 and 700 CFM , interesting !)
    Now the 390 is a 4BBL with 4 venturi's of 1 1/16
    At the 4BBL std of 1.5 insHg that would be each barrel being .886 times 4 times 145 = 440 CFM (the boosters cut down the actual to 390 CFM ?)
    Now the 350 Holley has 2 barrels of 1.25 , so thats 1.227 square ins = 178CFM per barrel or 356 CFM
    Thats all fine if straight CFM ratings float your boat , but alas the real world is a little different ,The difference between constant depression,downleg venturis,annular venturis , throttle enrichment , manifold and head/valve design all play their part in the end result .
    One look at the port (ACSA) to valve ratio with its corresponding MGV will soon tell you why Rover V8's dont make any decent power , as thats all a throwback from the Buick design stage , small ports , high velocity , better low down torque . Pity that works well in the trucks it was designed for !!

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