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    Advice needed.....electric seat controls

    Hey fellas, I'm just mucking around with the driver's seat on my LSE. I read in another thread that if you jiggle the control switches sometimes you can get a non-functioning seat to work.....I tried it but had no luck.
    So I got a battery, a couple of lengths of electrical wire and pulled the plug to the bank of motors for the seat. I managed to confirm that all the motors work ok, so I'm thinking it's gotta be that horrible switch that I've read about.
    So I've pulled the seat out to get at the two screws that hold the switch panel to the seat, disconnected the switch loom, pulled it out through the side of the seat, and now I have the switch panel out of the car to pull apart for inspection/cleaning etc.
    Here's the question.......can anyone tell me how to get the thing APART, lol!! I can see that the top pops off the housing, but the switch toggles are keeping me from removing the top of the housing. I don't want to prise the toggles too hard in case they're not supposed to be removed......
    Any tips??

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    AFAIR you prise out the rockers and then be prepared for several springs and ball bearings to pop out all over the place.

    AFAIR, the switches are the same as Mercedes switches of that era.

    The non operation is usually caused by grease and grime blocking the contacts and you may be able to get them to work by spraying lots of electrical contact cleaner through them.
    Regards Philip A

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    Phillip, did you mean trying to run cleaner through the switches etc prior to popping and distributing bits all around the country, or is that not possible? I'm about to look closely at mine (which I haven't done yet, hence the question). Cheers Gavin
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    G'day fellas,
    Thankyou Phil, your advice was very helpful! I managed to get the switch casing apart with breaking anything OR losing any of the tiny springs and balls inside!!
    Miracles DO happen!!
    I'll post a photo of the inside of the switch to show where everything goes immediately prior to putting the switch back together.....

    Just as you said, Phil, the tops of the switches prise off the tops of the switch posts to allow the top of the switch housing to be separated from the body. Once that's off, you can see inside to two philips head screw that undo to allow the switch assembly to be removed from the body of the switch housing. Working through the underside of the outer housing, under the switch, you have to use a flat bladed screwdriver to gently lever the switch up through the top of the housing as the switch is a push fit over the posts that the two philips head screws go into.
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    Unfortunately, my switch turned out to be quite clean inside. I pulled it all apart anyway, and cleaned all the brass contacts just to be sure, and pulled the "1", "2", and green buttons out as they were a bit gummed up and not moving freely.
    I put it all together and tested it on the seat.......nothing.
    I found the relays for the front seats.....swapped them over as the left seat works fine. Still nothing. I checked the square 4 pin plug for power.....yep, the relay is definitely getting power as far as the plug.
    I'm now thinking that the silver box mounted up under the driver's seat is some sort of control box that stores the settings for the memory functions. Would that be correct?
    Are these known to fail, or perhaps partially fail, and render one seat inoperative?
    Cheers
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    Yes , although I have never had one with power seats I understand there is a battery in there that dies and corrodes the circuit board.

    There have been some AULRO posts on this in years past.
    Regards Philip A
    Here is one
    94 Classic LSE seat computer , Google that term
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    Bingo!! Now I'm getting somewhere.
    Yes, Philip.....I keep forgetting how wonderful google can be. How did we EVER get by without it!!
    I found a thread on this site, and I also found a page from the UK where the guy details exactly the problem you mention.
    This morning I had no idea that there was an ECU for the seats, lol. So I pulled mine out and opened it up and bingo.....there's a problem, if not THE problem. The NiCad battery has let go, pickling a few bits and bobs around it. The guy from the UK page says that you can replace the battery with a NiMh, replace any damaged components in the vicinity and off you go.
    That sure beats shelling out something like A$1800 for a brand new one
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    Wow the circuit is completely burnt away. Your going to need a picture of an undamaged one to re-create the wiring from (just run fine wires to re-crreate the burnt away tracks). Throw the battery away. if you loose the seat memories each time the battery is disconnect ed ........................ What cares

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    I just had a look on line....the NiMh batteries are only about $30. I dare say I'd be able to get one at Jaycar, as well as any components that have been fried.
    I googled PC Board repairs in the Brisbane area and came up with one that's recommended, so I'll give them a call tomorrow and see what they say. I might have to wait until the New Year to be able to contact them but that's not a problem.
    I'm optimistic that there's a way to restore full functionality, even if it means sourcing a unit that's not so badly damaged, and then getting the NiMh battery replacement done to extend the life of it. Looking at the one I've got, there are possibly 3 fried chips, a few resistors (?) and then the damage to the tracks.
    Either way, it seems I've found the source of the problem.

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    Gos 'News' for you...and it ain't all good...

    The seat ECU also drives/remembers the outside mirrors,and I think (don't quote me) the mirrors need the box of Clever Bits in order to work...even if it's only a 'pass-through' function.

    Do your mirrors work with the box unplugged ?

    The battery is, or at least was available ex UK, and I ordered one for myself and SomeOne else. It was also a larger capacity (mA/hours) than OEM, but its not a problem.
    That was years ago, so I've no idea where it was from.

    By the look of the tracks, fitting the battery will be the least of your worries.!

    - Get yourself a decent soldering iron, and TINNED copper wire in suitable gauges... great project for a rainy week-end.

    Those switches are near identical mechanisms to ones MB used on some models, but the Kunning Krauts mount theirs up high on the door cards, out of harm's way and dirt/dust/food particles.

    The other teensy-weensy thing about the switches is... look closely at the mechanical forces/strains/directions vs 'springs & resistance' to movement... Whoever invented the setup was only just out of Design School... They are destined to eventually wear excessively and break or fail....

    Worst case..... make up your own switches and put them where YOU find them most convenient. I could suggest the 'fore-aft' switch mounted under the squab on the front, and the seat-back front/back leaning switch on the door card or 'elsewhere'.
    Where they are mounted now is... exactly what they look like...a last-minute "... ??????"
    - so they tacked it on the side of the seat.... Great place if you or your passenger is... broad in the beam... Don't ask !

    Join the dots !

    Edit:- While everything is out, take the oppurtunity to 101% clean/lube the tracks and cogs etc. Even so, its rough as guts... not a patch on oriental or yankee cars for smoothness and silence.

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