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    That was an interesting link.

    One question I do have after reading it is whether fitting underbody protection such as a steering guard and bash plates for the transfer, transmission and fuel tank would interfere with the venturi effect in which careful design can cause a low pressure area to occur under the vehicle, increasing down force.
    While down force isn't important on a 4WD, and the designers may not give it much consideration, it is important for cooling to have a low pressure area rear of the radiator so air is drawn through it from the high pressure area ahead of the radiator, as air naturally flows from high to a low pressure area, trying to equalise the pressure.
    So, would underbody protection plates interfere with the air flow? Would cooling efficiency be reduced, or even increased?
    I have no idea. Any thoughts?

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    With the whole car, you'd never know without a wind tunnel or an enormous amount of measuring, point-by-point, under the car. However, in the engine bay you could just do what I was describing before with a long hose, one end in the car, one end where you want to measure, and do comparisons that way.

    I've put a flat bit of metal from under the bullbar bumper to a steering guard, (the factory type, which is a big bit of pipe: NRC7009 - just so you can picture it), and sealed up the bonnet. I know I'm getting low pressure because of it, but haven't had the chance to measure it yet.

    Interestingly, that factory fitted a plastic thing under the front of the engine bay on some '90s models, MWC6937, which is referred to as a "cooling tray", (or something like that), in some factory books. I think it was used in conjunction with that plastic front spoiler under the bumper, but I still haven't worked out what it was supposed to do. I'm going to make something similar and see what happens - I've got to do the measurements as above first, though.
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    Yes, it's certainly just guesswork without a wind tunnel.
    I had assumed steering guards should have lots of holes to let plenty of air blow through, but now I'm wondering if that is right.
    I doubt if the designers of underbody protection for 4WDs think much about aerodynamics.

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    The wording in the box under the blue Subaru may be of interest .

    Seems the important part is not getting air in .

    Tells a bit about pressure in the engine bay .






    AutoSpeed - Undertrays, Spoilers & Bonnet Vents, Part 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davo View Post
    Hey, get out of here with yer learnin'! Thanks for the link. That's the kind of thing people need to read to get a start on this. There is so much really good information out there these days that this biggest problem is wading through it all.

    G`day ,

    yea , learnings good i learn lots new just wish i had the capacity to retain in detail .


    Your Pub Forum comment made me smile but then i thought there are plenty of people that read only on the forum and a lot of those have information to contribute but because of how things do happen they don`t .

    It has always amused me when someone says i`m going or not taking about the subject any more . If your not involved how can you contribute or change things .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLR View Post
    The wording in the box under the blue Subaru may be of interest .

    Seems the important part is not getting air in .

    Tells a bit about pressure in the engine bay .






    AutoSpeed - Undertrays, Spoilers & Bonnet Vents, Part 1
    Thanks for that link, too. Yes, I did appear to have some slight difficulties in getting this exact point across recently. Autospeed is excellent and is where I really started to actually learn about this stuff, instead of just guessing. Then I found reports and technical sites and have kept trying to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLR View Post
    G`day ,

    yea , learnings good i learn lots new just wish i had the capacity to retain in detail .


    Your Pub Forum comment made me smile but then i thought there are plenty of people that read only on the forum and a lot of those have information to contribute but because of how things do happen they don`t .

    It has always amused me when someone says i`m going or not taking about the subject any more . If your not involved how can you contribute or change things .
    I think that's become a big problem here, but during a discussion last year others didn't agree because, apparently, the number of members are up. But I joined this forum because the technical stuff was so good, and now it seems that some of the ridiculous infighting in areas like General Chat put a lot of good people off. I've found some of the moderation when this happens to be a bit lacklustre, to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davo View Post
    I think that's become a big problem here, but during a discussion last year others didn't agree because, apparently, the number of members are up. But I joined this forum because the technical stuff was so good, and now it seems that some of the ridiculous infighting in areas like General Chat put a lot of good people off. I've found some of the moderation when this happens to be a bit lacklustre, to say the least.

    It`s good i guess that i`m of a similar mind .

    I`ve asked questions and made suggestions about nonexistent concerns . Discussion there was none there needs to be a problem . It`s related the forum goes against the trend with new members but if you look at the members list there are many dormant non financial . The number of hits on a subject or area is the gauge .

    The slowing of new posts and new posters seems real but is my preconception .

    To my wonderment during one of my presuming i had some sort of entitlement to think about what i thought could improve the forum ( which i was shown i don`t ) i was asked if i was alright .

    None of this is of course helpful and will receive the naysayers label but at least nowdays the dogs are only puppys .

    I apologise for putting this in what i once considered sacred ground ( too much ? ) but it has also been related that nowdays anything can go anywhere and does it matter .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davo View Post
    . I've found some of the moderation when this happens to be a bit lacklustre, to say the least.
    I'm sorry you feel this way Davo,,
    If the Moderation is not up to scratch Please REPORT the offending remarks,,
    failing that, please email Incisor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post
    I'm sorry you feel this way Davo,,
    If the Moderation is not up to scratch Please REPORT the offending remarks,,
    failing that, please email Incisor.
    It's been mentioned in a thread or two, particularly one thread from last year, but nobody seems to get it. It's not a matter of reporting offending remarks, it's when a moderator doesn't even understand a problem in the first place and blunders their way to an answer which suits them but doesn't actually address anything. I doubt that's something that's going to improve unless we have some moderators to moderate the moderators.
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