Thread: Will it ever start agian?

I would guess you have a culmination of problems...

water in oil at a minimum is the head gasket.

as youve been running lpg (and I'm guessing thats not injected LPG) then whats possibly happened is that youve baked the residual fuel in the rail and injectors with the engine heat into lacquer and thats clogged your injectors.

the slow cranking could be anything from a bad earth, crook starter right through to a distorted piston from the over heat that grabbing the bore.


its a little cruel but try removing the inlet ducting before the MAF andspraying some startyabastard, areostart or in a pinch carby cleaner into the opening while some one tries to start it. IF you need to jump it off another vehicle to get it to go then do that before starting out.

Hi Blue Steel;

I have had a similar problem with the my 93 Vogue where it kept stalling on gas or Petrol and would not start at all , specially when coming towards a set of traffic lights slowing down , I'd have to put it in park and keep cranking but nothing no overheating issues , I've an after market Iginition module fitted to the Rangie which apparently was also causing some issues as well on ignition side of things , I pulled it apart & on close inspection it had a bad electrical earth connection , so I re-soldered the earth wire on the PCB board and put it back together , also the Coil on a closer inspection had one of it's Spade connectors dirty and quite loose and with 12v probe i checked the Coil and it wasn't getting 12V to it with ignition ON, so checked Fuse for Coil and had blown fuse , so after repladcement of 10A Fuse , she fires up. evreytime now.

and hasn't stalled either.

just an odd idea:
can you smell unburnt fuel at the exhaust after you've been turning it over ? are the plugs 'wet' ? if neither it might just pay to check that the hack into the injector wiring that the gas system uses to shut off the petrol fuelling while in gas operation. in my vehicle's case it is made to the two big fat brown wires that emerge from the resistor pack situated below the bracket which holds the air metering casing. usually they are soldered connections but in my case i fitted genuine rists connectors from a wreck to facilitate reconnecting the cut wires in the event of a failure of the gas electronics. i mention it because i rather foolishly left them unconnected at one point and couldn't work out why it wouldn't go !
if for any reason your equivalent connections had become loosened or your gas electronics box failed to close the injector circuits you would get the same result.

All points so far pointed out by the others are valid

If you have the little black module screwed to the side of the Dizzy ... That is the Amplifier for the Dizzy pulse that gives you spark from the coil .... They DO NOT like being cooked by a over heated motor and start a gradule decline in operating ... Usually by misterious "Car just stops" waited 5 miniutes and now works

Also test what voltage you are getting at the coil ... If it's less than 1 volt than what your battery is (measure your battery then the coil to compare) ... Then go to a Auto Spark

Also where are you located ... Helps for reply's and service areas


Mike

any joy yet blue steal ?

The other thought that comes to mind is

If the head gasket is shot and coolant is getting into the pots (piston bore) then they will be wiping out any spark from the spark plugs .... Pull out the plugs and look for "cleaned" .. IE like new / no carbon .... Hence the "Lunge of starting" you got, can = water being pushed / compressed in bore


If the plugs have been water cleaned is that they are most probably Knackered

Mike

thanks for the ideas. I will give them all a shot this week and get back with the outcomes and hopefully the solution (oh please let me find a solution ) or more questions....

I had previuosly tried some start ya bastard spraying it directly into the manifold, whilst cranking... got a small back fire... might get my little bro to hold the lead from the coil to the engine block instead of the distributor to see how much of a spark its getting.... he he heee

Now that it stinking hot i wished i had braved the cooler days to get this sucker back on the road...

Just an update,

it would apear that it would have a better chance of starting if it was pushing less water through.

So my options at this stage are

A: drop all the coolant, and replace with petrol...

B: take of the head, inspect, clean and hopefully just replace the gasket

C: sell as complete wreck or as parts..


option A is very appealing, especially given that its insured for a lot

is much work invovled in option B ?

anyone interested in C ?