driving around with full set of bonnet tools is it ok

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The Perentie is only ADR certified for two front seat passengers for on road use. The rear sideways facing seats are installed only for use in military restricted areas, where state road rules don't apply. e.g. the 1/15 RNSW Lancers had several Perentie 6X6 troop carriers, when they went on exercises to Holsworthy, the Perenties were driven with only two troopers in the front and the rest of the unit travelled in buses. Once inside the Holsworthy training area, the troopers disembarked the bus and mounted the troop carriers.

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Yes and no, not sure when it was a blanket decision was made, but in the units I was posted to plenty of troops travelled in the backs of 4x4 and 6x6's between Brisbane and wide bay/shoal water bay.

I was part of the bushmaster trial, Darwin to Brisbane return leg when I was a chocko, the grunts preferred to travel in the back of the 6x6 over taking their turn in the taipan (driver and section commander has to endure the day)......this was after 1997 so troops were still riding I the back of 6x6's. It would have been earlier for 4x4 and unimogs that troops could ride I the back, maybe when the IIMV's arrived.

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Originally Posted by Bush Animal

Without creating WW111

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I wouldn't worry about it. WW111 has already been raging for quite some time.
Unfortunately the most entertaining threads were deleted from various fora quite some time ago. There was a particularly good one on AULRO a few years ago but it got way too silly.

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Back in the 70's was in the Engineers and we had 6*6 Tippers.
We also had seats so we could sit inside the tippers.


Wont even ask about Civvies sitting inside tippers. :p

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This is possible in S.A., provided that the vehicle was manufactured before the need for seatbelts, and that the seats are an OEM fitting.

Aaron

Everyone, and that means everyone is covered by WHS legislation - hence no transport in the back of Perenties, Mogs, aircraft etc without the proper seating and harnesses.

It's a load of dung, but if the organisation leaves itself open to litigation, it's an easy target.

As to compiance with the respective ADRs at date of manufacture;
What is more likely- The whole disposal process come to a screeching halt if someone reads 'Old mates' letters on a slow media day/ wants a bigger office OR someone whips out a study on pedestrian safety and retrospectively bans the bonnet protrusions in line with current Light vehicle Modification policy.
Most juristictions are being reasonable and apply a reasonable and equitable equitable risk assessment process (Probability/ consequences) but there are noted Individuals/ inspection locations that are being unreasonably Bureauocratic about things.
I'm not scaremongering or drumming up business. Just aware of how fickle policy can be.

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Originally Posted by weeds

Yes and no, not sure when it was a blanket decision was made, but in the units I was posted to plenty of troops travelled in the backs of 4x4 and 6x6's between Brisbane and wide bay/shoal water bay.

I was part of the bushmaster trial, Darwin to Brisbane return leg when I was a chocko, the grunts preferred to travel in the back of the 6x6 over taking their turn in the taipan (driver and section commander has to endure the day)......this was after 1997 so troops were still riding I the back of 6x6's. It would have been earlier for 4x4 and unimogs that troops could ride I the back, maybe when the IIMV's arrived.

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Of course this could all be related to ComCare we both remember that the Mack NIL trucks had their original rear suspension modified to protect the spines of the troops riding in the back. About the same time as they were all converted to air suspension, the rules were changed and troops were prevented from riding in them.

It seems that one level of Defence weren't talking to the other. :(

Surely it also comes down to common sense? If you've got sharp protruding potentially lethal weapons bolted all over the outside of your Landy, it would be prudent to remove them, at least when you're driving around the burbs and you're highly unlikely to need them. It's not mad max dudes, there's not going to be an invasion where you need to axe and pick your way out of a 'situation' at a moments notice! :Rolling::Rolling: seriously? Just take the tools off til you need them. ...And the side facing seats with no seatbelts a thing? Or whatever it is. Hilarious. It's obviously a disaster waiting to happen. It's got nothing to do with regulations and getting around them, it's simply common sense.

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

Surely it also comes down to common sense? If you've got sharp protruding potentially lethal weapons bolted all over the outside of your Landy, it would be prudent to remove them, at least when you're driving around the burbs and you're highly unlikely to need them. It's not mad max dudes, there's not going to be an invasion where you need to axe and pick your way out of a 'situation' at a moments notice! :Rolling::Rolling: seriously? Just take the tools off til you need them. ...And the side facing seats with no seatbelts a thing? Or whatever it is. Hilarious. It's obviously a disaster waiting to happen. It's got nothing to do with regulations and getting around them, it's simply common sense.

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Using that logic, you shouldn't be driving that lethal 4WD around the burbs. Just a fatality waiting to happen. And why do you need a bull bar and winch in the burbs? They're not pedestrian friendly. And what of them sub standard old cars. The old clunkers should be put off the roads.

I've heard them all before. All absolute rubbish.

Maybe you should have a read of this:
Australia nanny state: Have we become a nation of idiots?

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

Surely it also comes down to common sense? If you've got sharp protruding potentially lethal weapons bolted all over the outside of your Landy, it would be prudent to remove them, at least when you're driving around the burbs and you're highly unlikely to need them. It's not mad max dudes, there's not going to be an invasion where you need to axe and pick your way out of a 'situation' at a moments notice! :Rolling::Rolling: seriously? Just take the tools off til you need them. ...And the side facing seats with no seatbelts a thing? Or whatever it is. Hilarious. It's obviously a disaster waiting to happen. It's got nothing to do with regulations and getting around them, it's simply common sense.

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Why is a pick or shovel a lethal weapon when bolted to a vehicle? You trying to run people over? :confused: :D

If some dufus steps out in front of my 101 they are going to have a really bad day anyway, the pick and shovel will just add insult to injury.

Vehicles are inherently dangerous contraptions anyway - lets just ban them all together. Wait, we'd find some other way of killing ourselves....

Oh, and don't eat bacon or salami - they will kill you too apparently...

Said it with my last post - we are a nanny country trying to protect ourselves from ourselves. It's about time we took some responsibility for our own actions and went back to 'survival of the fittest'. That way, within a couple of generations we would have weeded out the 'stoopid' gene from our society and we won't need to have these conversations.

....then, we can take over the world...... (Insert evil laugh and cat here)

All these regulations are about pedestrian safety.

With the height of a Perentie brush guard top rail, you would have to be travelling very fast or hit an extremely tall pedestrian for them to be thrown onto the bonnet where they could be injured by the gardening tools. Unfortunate as it sounds, with a Perentie Vs pedestrian crash at that speed, the tools would be the least of their worries.