Thread: The tide is turning?

be even happier with a G4 hey dobbo,,,

I'm getting a bit bored of the security discussion. By just being sensible the only time I have to think about it is in these threads... LOL

I guess the interesting thing is that people with macs generally have far fewer problems, and the computers run far longer without intervention and that's a good thing.

Even the administrator of this board, Inc, who sells both PC's and Macs says that he has consistently far fewer support issues with the Macs he sells (I can't be bothered finding the posts).

I've never said that macs are problem free. People do manage to have issues with them. However Apple's hardware/OS solution does usually give people far better outcomes and this has been the case for several years now.

I don't think anyone with any objectivity could plausibly deny this. They give really good outcomes for non-IT types, yet power users find them excellent as well.

I just don't understand why many PC users (who usually have little or no exposure to them) are so vehemently against macs. I only recommend them because I like friends and family to have better outcomes with their computers.

For example... take Weeds (sorry mate). He's not an IT type, but he enjoys using his IT. He was having all the usual PC type problems, and he was up for a replacement so he bought a mac. I spent an hour with him initially, and he had a few issues with Snow Leopard when it was new. These were fixed with help of the excellent Apple support, and I'll accept blame for this - I should have encouraged him to wait a month. At any rate he's away now - and he loves it. Job done. Now he IM's me with stuff he's found that I don't know about.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I'm getting a bit bored of the security discussion. By just being sensible the only time I have to think about it is in these threads... LOL

I guess the interesting thing is that people with macs generally have far fewer problems, and the computers run far longer without intervention and that's a good thing.

Even the administrator of this board, Inc, who sells both PC's and Macs says that he has consistently far fewer support issues with the Macs he sells (I can't be bothered finding the posts).

I've never said that macs are problem free. People do manage to have issues with them. However Apple's hardware/OS solution does usually give people far better outcomes and this has been the case for several years now.

I don't think anyone with any objectivity could plausibly deny this. They give really good outcomes for non-IT types, yet power users find them excellent as well.

I just don't understand why many PC users (who usually have little or no exposure to them) are so vehemently against macs. I only recommend them because I like friends and family to have better outcomes with their computers.

For example... take Weeds (sorry mate). He's not an IT type, but he enjoys using his IT. He was having all the usual PC type problems, and he was up for a replacement so he bought a mac. I spent an hour with him initially, and he had a few issues with Snow Leopard when it was new. These were fixed with help of the excellent Apple support, and I'll accept blame for this - I should have encouraged him to wait a month. At any rate he's away now - and he loves it. Job done. Now he IM's me with stuff he's found that I don't know about.

I run a windows machine - works for me. Maybe a Mac would do the job better but I don't know and I'm unlikely to find out because what I use works.

One comment though, my understanding of macs is that the hardware (at least) side is pretty well locked down ?

Which would make me suggest that a lot of the windows problems are due to the fact that there are a zillion hardware combos available that can all conflict with another million OS changes.

When it's all said and done a PC/mac is a tool to get a job done.



Martyn

Once again, Apple proves, they might cost a little more but at least they are good...

Apple tops Consumer Reports' tech support survey

Oh, and all you guys bashing the iphone and ipad for not having multi tasking will be disappointed with iphone os 4.0 as expected.

Totally different market. I don;t know ANYONE who is unhappy with their iPhone. Everyone loves them. Blackberry users are being converted by the 1000's.

BUT if you think for a moment that this will translate to more people buying Mac than PC / Windows - dream on ! Whether better or not is not even the point. PC / Windows combination is just so entrenched in the business community.

Besides there's not as much reason to hate Microsoft any more. Bill Gates is no longer the richest man in the world.

The Forbes rich list 2010

and how to get on the list...

Forbes rich list is Slim pickings | Richard Adams | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Originally Posted by VladTepes

Totally different market. I don;t know ANYONE who is unhappy with their iPhone. Everyone loves them. Blackberry users are being converted by the 1000's.

BUT if you think for a moment that this will translate to more people buying Mac than PC / Windows - dream on ! Whether better or not is not even the point. PC / Windows combination is just so entrenched in the business community.

Besides there's not as much reason to hate Microsoft any more. Bill Gates is no longer the richest man in the world.

The Forbes rich list 2010

and how to get on the list...

Forbes rich list is Slim pickings | Richard Adams | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Seriously, Steve Balmer is a cockhead!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc"]YouTube- Steve Ballmer going crazy[/ame]

Originally Posted by VladTepes

BUT if you think for a moment that this will translate to more people buying Mac than PC / Windows - dream on ! Whether better or not is not even the point. PC / Windows combination is just so entrenched in the business community.

My serious reply ....

In the US Apple is constantly increasing it's corporate market share. However I agree that will be along way off in Australia. MS has the market sown up - ironically it's a bit like it was in the old days - no one ever got fired for buying MS, no matter how bad the disaster that follows.

Anyway, it matters not. My interest is only in encouraging people to try something a bit different that happens to be a far better solution.

A few years ago I was installing XP on my last pc, fighting off viruses and threats and watching it struggle with the loads imposed on it by that, managing with failing video cards, dieing processors, failing DVD drives, incompatible drivers, etc etc.

It was at times difficult and always just a plain drudge and I thought if this is how it is for someone who's worked on computers for all his life how the hell does someone who doesn't work in IT manage it? It was then that I decided to make the jump and if I liked it slowly convert my family/support network as they were having the same troubles too.

5 years later and now when I come home I just use the computer as there is very little maintenance, and I've virtually eliminated my support network role. YES

Exactly.... My MBP has been a dream in the last 4 years..

And now, by putting the old boy onto an iMac, I dont get phone calls of "help" all the time.. He just does his thing