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    Next numpty question......Fuel starvation

    Ok time for the next numpty question....

    Finally get nearly everything under control in the old 99 3.9L V8i and a new very pesky thing happens.

    Fuel starvation.

    Driving along, misses, sometimes picks up, most times doesn't, then just stops.

    Doesn't start again straight away, just keeps turning over no fuel getting through.

    Obviously first thing I thought is fuel filter and after crawling around under the thing today I finally found where it is and what it looks like and will pick up a new one tomorrow.

    BUT..........odd thing..........if I've lifted the bonnet and drop it down again (just let it drop, not forcing it to be a heavy drop), the bloody thing starts again straight away.

    Its like it jars something back into place, or jars a blockage out of place. Which to me sounds like the problem lies somewhere in the engine bay and not in the fuel filter as I can't see how dropping the bonnet would clear something at the other end of the car.

    Any ideas?

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    It could be a anything but it might well be the ignition module playing up.

    When you say 'no fuel getting though' - is that how is seems or have you checked the pressure?
    Scott

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    That's how it seems. It only happens after a stall. If it's been running fine and I switch it off it starts again fine until I'm driving along (no particular revs range or conditions) and it just dies on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMO71 View Post
    That's how it seems. It only happens after a stall. If it's been running fine and I switch it off it starts again fine until I'm driving along (no particular revs range or conditions) and it just dies on me.
    Listen carefully for the fuel pump. You should always hear it when you turn the ignition on then for 1-2 seconds until it stops. Slamming the bonnet may jar the pump back to life, same as kicking the petrol tank. However loss if ignition will also show the same symptoms, but you will still hear the pump when you first turn on the ignition. Without the ignition operating you won't hear the pump run on after you stop cranking. This is because the pump will run for a moment, then stop unless the ECU gets an input from the ignition coil. Check all the connectors on the ignition coil for tightness too.

    Pump replacement is relatively easy if you have access from inside the load area of the car, through the floor.

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    Thanks bee-utey. The pump is heard every time I turn the ignition on. Never has missed a beat - it's on of those things I notice every time.

    So, sorry if this is a silly question, if the ignition system is faulty it doesn't only affect it on start up but can also cause the car to cut out once it's already running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMO71 View Post
    Thanks bee-utey. The pump is heard every time I turn the ignition on. Never has missed a beat - it's on of those things I notice every time.

    So, sorry if this is a silly question, if the ignition system is faulty it doesn't only affect it on start up but can also cause the car to cut out once it's already running?
    The ignition fires a spark each and every time your pistons get to the correct point (a total of four times for every single revolution of the engine), ie it is not some kind of "match" you strike once. So it has to remain working so long as you wish to drive the car. No ignition, it stops straight away.

    Without the ignition functioning the ECU will ONLY operate the fuel pump when you first turn on the ignition. It WON'T run the fuel pump when the engine is running or cranking. So you need to listen when you stop cranking. No pump noise? Then you have no ignition. EVERYTHING the ECU does relies on the ignition being present and working.

    To repeat my advice more explicitly: Take each wire connector off the ignition coil, squeeze the connector with a pair of pliers, so that it takes a little force to refit. If this solves your problem, good. If not, get some help replacing ignition parts.

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    Are these the same as your previous symptoms?

    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-...ml#post1183148
    Scott

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    Unfortunately no. I actually got that one sorted last year. New radiator, new starter motor and a good service and she was good. This time round, no coughing and spluttering, just stops.

    I think bee-utey pointed me in the right direction. 3rd on my 'to do' list - is replace the front passenger shock mounts - they've all but disintergrated. So there is an awful lot of movement there, it's not the smoothest of rides! I spent some time under the bonnet yesterday and checked and tightened every electrical connection I could find.

    No problem since then, so fingers crossed a loose connection was the issue.

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    Im having exactly the same problems with my Rangie. Started fine, but then just stopped up the road. I have managed to get it started again on gas, however not on petrol. If it was the ignition system, wouldnt you not be able to run on gas?

    I have replaced the fuel filter...no change. I will try testing the ignition connections.

    Angus

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDisco View Post
    Im having exactly the same problems with my Rangie. Started fine, but then just stopped up the road. I have managed to get it started again on gas, however not on petrol. If it was the ignition system, wouldnt you not be able to run on gas?

    I have replaced the fuel filter...no change. I will try testing the ignition connections.

    Angus
    Ignition health is nore likely to affect the gas than the petrol. However, check the vehicle harness connection on the negative side of the ignition coil (reverse spade connector), the petrol ECU runs off that signal. Otherwise, listen for fuel pump operation, and replace the pump if necessary with a VN Commodore kit.

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