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Thread: 95 disco 3.9 v8 running like a dog

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    petey0505 Guest

    95 disco 3.9 v8 running like a dog

    Hi Guys,

    This is my first post so I apologise in advance if i leave any info out.

    Recently purchased the above vehicle which had issues in starting and running but got it cheap so I took a risk. The vehicle does not like to start easily at any temperature. You can crank the motor with no throttle and it will not fire up. Give it a little throttle and eventually it might start but sounds like it is running on 4 cylinders. It will sometimes then stall and at other times if you can keep it running by pumping the throttle it will clear itself after 10-15 seconds and start firing on all cylinders.

    I did find that it would generally start ok by holding the throttle flat to the floor and cranking for 5 seconds or so. However once you got it running it idles rough and has a huge flat spot around 1500 revs that makes driving it very uncomfortable. The idle also fluctuates somewhere between 600 and 1500 rpms.

    Work done to date includes

    Fuel pump replaced with new
    Fuel filter replaced with new
    Idle Air control valve replaced with new
    Fuel regulator replaced with secondhand unit

    All vacuum hoses checked and replaced as necessary. All the above made no difference to the behaviour of the vehicle. Finally decided to take it to my mechanics to no avail. They could not find any fault other than to say the coolant temp sensor was an open sensor and may not be reading right.

    After two weeks with them and no answer the vehicle was sent to a supposed landrover expert mechanics shop. Spoke them today at length and they are none the wiser either. Apparently there are no codes showing from the computer. Their own computer readings when the vehicle was running indicated that the temp sensor and MAF appeared to working OK. Fuel pressure was 35psi and supposedly OK. They believe the vehicle is running lean which maybe explains the funny starting issues but cant remember how they came to that conclusion.

    Can anyone help please. They are leaning towards a buggered ECU but don't have a spare one to swap over to test it.

    In my searching of this (and other sites) I have been unable to find a similar starting issue where it runs on half the cylinders.

    Any help would be muchly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.


    Pete

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    Hi Pete,

    I can help, Give me a call tomorrow, 0408 995 635 or 6229 1102 leave a message if I don't get to the phone quickly enough. Are you in the nth or sth?

    JC

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    petey0505 Guest
    Hi JC

    Am in Launceston. Will give you a call tomoz.

    Many thanks

    Pete

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    Injectors?

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    Overkill Guest
    So what was the problem? Change of coil and now all good

    Would be good to know if you can

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    are you sure its not the MAF??
    "How long since you've visited The Good Oil?"

    '93 V8 Rossi
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    Thanks to JustinC for the advice and his thoughts it would be injectors and a dirty fuel rail.

    Spent some time at the mechanics shop yesterday and this is where we are at;

    They removed the injectors and bench tested them and apparently they are fine. Not leaking, are clean and have appropriate spray pattern. Fuel pressure is around 35-40 psi apparently.

    They swapped over the ECU with another one but no change.

    They swapped over the MAF and it did run better but starting procedure did not change. They reckon that all other sensors etc are within spec and apparently working OK.

    They are stumped and have no solution yet. The mechanic was starting to
    get frustrated because they cannot find the problem. Apparently spark is good and he mentioned something about having to swap the distributor around 180 degrees but no change.

    They also swapped out the coil with another but no change.

    He said that advancing the timing on the distributor made it start easier but it would not run properly. He then suggested the timing chain may be stretched.

    The head mechanic told me it did not have O2 sensors last week but everything I have read would suggest otherwise. Any comment?? Does he know what he is talking about??

    In reading the RAVE manual I noticed there was mention of a speed sensor that could affect timimg if the sensor was crook.

    In addition another site suggested the following;;

    The intake air temp sensor simply retards timing above a certain temperature, there can be some slight loss of power if it's not working.

    The mechanic said that the vehicle seemed to drive OK now but it did not have the power of similar age vehicles.

    They also suggested that 4 of the cylinders were down on compression but this should not affect starting etc. Who knows???

    Thanks for your interest guys and any comment/help would be appreciated. I have been without the vehicle for 4 weeks now and I know the bill is getting expensice notwithstanding they do not have a solution.

    Cheers

    Pete C

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    Overkill Guest
    I had an issue with poor performance a while ago and could not figure out/find what it was. Lucky for me one of my friends has a 3.9 and it runs mint, who brought it around and we swapped out parts looking for my fault......all sensors on the intake, maf, ecu, coil and amplifier module, all not helping with the condition. Finally we changed out the Distributor and bingo, my 3.9 sounded and felt like a new motor. It's a quick swap and just another item you may want to tick off as checking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    I had an issue with poor performance a while ago and could not figure out/find what it was. Lucky for me one of my friends has a 3.9 and it runs mint, who brought it around and we swapped out parts looking for my fault......all sensors on the intake, maf, ecu, coil and amplifier module, all not helping with the condition. Finally we changed out the Distributor and bingo, my 3.9 sounded and felt like a new motor. It's a quick swap and just another item you may want to tick off as checking
    Of course this is one of the reasons I developed my Bosch BIM024 ignition conversion, the Lucas ignition amplifier goes half crook. Still runs but only just. The dissy pickup gap may also need closing up to 0.005".

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    petey0505 Guest
    Hi guys,

    an update on my disco problems. The repair place had no idea what the cause of the problems were and resorted to pulling off the intake manifold to check lifters etc. The best explanation they could come up with was it was a tired motor as it had fuel and spark and should go otherwise.

    After 5 weeks of this crap I picked up the vehicle and drove it home. They struggled to start it and it drove worse than when I took it in.

    When I got home I started to think about the issues and what parts had been replaced etc. I took the dizzie cap off and to my amazement the rotor had the metal part missing. WTF???? And they had played with this car for 5 weeks and mucked about with the distributor and no-one noticed this????

    Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So I decided to replace the rotor, cap and leads. I had a mechanic mate come down to reset the timing as it was 18 degrees BTDC. But still the car did not want to start or run properly.

    Whilst there was spark, it was weak. So, decided to replace the distributor and ignition module and bingo, started right up.

    Was missing on one cylinder so checked those and changed over some plugs and leads and this thing is running sweet. Fires up with no throttle. Idles perfect. Drives well with no flat spots at all. All the supposed noises in the motor are gone. I think the noises were a result of the incorrect timing and not firing on all cylinders.

    I just cannot believe that supposed expert mechanics could not sort this out in 5 weeks and gave up. What a bunch of clowns.

    Anyway I am now happy as a pig in mud and many thanks to the contributors who helped give me some ideas on fixing the disco. At least I can use it now.

    Cheers

    Pete

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