Thread: TDI or TD5

Originally Posted by Tank

Yeh, that's if the 3 Amigos don't stick it to you, Regards Frank.

Given a properly braking system maintained the 3 Amigos won't "stick it to you". Even when the ABS system has issues the combination of community knowledge and relatively cheap diagnostics make ABS issues easy to diagnose, and relatively simple to fix. Certainly no more difficult to repair than a sensor failure on a d1.

In the 25000km I've driven since buying my D2 I've seen the amigos once for less than a minute. Pulling out of the car park at the Blinman Hotel last October the brakes squealed and the amigos came on. Turned the ignition off and started up again, and haven't seen them since.

Cheers
Paul

cheers for the input everyone.
I understand the CDL concept, as i own a full time 4wd 80 series. I was more just asking is that what the Land rover have as far as going into low range, wasnt sure if they all had CDL or some have lock in hubs. I work for ford and have worked for brakes plus so all mechanical work i can do myself to an extent. I have a 1hz turbo diesel 80, i love the simple mechanical diesel. Im more worried about id really be downgrading in power and torque, going from 6cyl TD to either a 4 or 5 TD not fussed about economy as my 80 gets 550-600 to a tank around town.
Persuade me to get into a disco, as i love the look of them and the fact they have solid axle front and rear.

Just as a note - you can lock the centre diff in high range or low range. Useful in high range on dirt roads, to give a little bit more stability.

You can also be in low range without CDL in, which is good for manouvering trailers or whatever on bitumen at slow speeds without getting any trans windup.

No Disco has locking hubs - all full time 4WD.

To answer the power difference I have owned both Tdi and Td5 , You will not go better than the Td5 for performance in my opinion , In saying that i have gone back to a Tdi thanks to the ex .

In terms of reliability i did 50,000ks with the Td5 and never had any dramas but was always concerned about the electrickery , The Tdi just keeps on going and is a very basic engine in terms of workings and maintenence and ownership.

The Tdi is a slug and by no means a power house compared to the Td5 and your 1hz but in saying the the Tdi can be tweaked with good results.

Yes i do own a Tdi that in terms of owner ship (150,000 + ks) has been lots of fun and easy to work on hell even the timing belt is fairly simple to change if your handy with the tools
So basicly if power is what you want go the Td5 if simplistic is your desire the Tdi will serve you well

Originally Posted by blitz

TDI old school injector pump TD5 modern common rail.

Afaik td5 is not common rail but IP, (individual pump)

Originally Posted by rangieman

In terms of reliability i did 50,000ks with the Td5 and never had any dramas but was always concerned about the electrickery.

So basically your concerns were unfounded. Funny about that.

Hmm well, let me put it to you this way.
I've got a Td5 myself, but I've had a bit of a drive of a Tdi or two.
Now, admittedly I'm not exactly what you'd call a slow driver, but wow the Tdi is a slug of an engine
I honestly thought I'd knocked it into neutral, and thought it was doing well to get up to 60
If you want a more modern, spacious vehicle that WILL require you look after it, go the Td5.
If you don't mind something a bit old school, but is a bit more mechanically robust and fixable with fencing wire, go the Tdi.
Just don't expect to be going anywhere fast in a Tdi

Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

Hmm well, let me put it to you this way.
I've got a Td5 myself, but I've had a bit of a drive of a Tdi or two.
Now, admittedly I'm not exactly what you'd call a slow driver, but wow the Tdi is a slug of an engine
I honestly thought I'd knocked it into neutral, and thought it was doing well to get up to 60
If you want a more modern, spacious vehicle that WILL require you look after it, go the Td5.
If you don't mind something a bit old school, but is a bit more mechanically robust and fixable with fencing wire, go the Tdi.
Just don't expect to be going anywhere fast in a Tdi

I think the fragility of the Td5 is a bit of beat up. Obviously it was an unknown quantity when it was introduced but after 14 years or so I think it is fairly safe to say that it is at least as reliable and long-lived as the 300Tdi if not more so.

Land Rover Monthly recently had a series of articles covering an attempt on the London to Cape Town driving record done in a 2001 Td5 Discovery. They succeed in completing the 15,270km trip in 11 days 14 hours and 11 minutes.

Despite concerns expressed about the electronics in the preparation stages of the attempt, and carrying spare ECU's just in case the trip was essentially trouble free. The third last para of the final installment reads:

The biggest surprise for the press, living in a land where the Toyota Land Cruiser rules supreme was that our 10 year old Land Rover Discovery had one problem during our epic dash from London. The ABS, HDC and TC warning lights came on after driving through the mud of Northern Kenya, but we simply reset the system, the lights went out and we never had any problems there after. No punctures, no damage, not even a blown light bulb.

From the sounds of that they did use a diagnostic tool (Autologic) to reset the ABS system. I'd suggest that picking up something like a Nanocom EVO (approx. $400ish) is one of the best long term investments a D2 owner can make as workshops (if you can find one) will usually charge in the order $100+ just to hook the car up to their diagnostic system. Knowing you have the ability to access virtually every function of every ECU on the vehicle removes much of the fear of the unknown that is embodied in the "evil electrickery" comments.

cheers
Paul