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    Troubles with starting 300tdi Disco

    Hey everyone, I'm looking for some advice with our Disco. We purchased it in 2014, and it was already a little rough to run at the time, but we thought it was worth a go given the fact that it was a one owner vehicle from Wagga Wagga with 175000 on the clock, no rust at all and very tidy panel and interior. So far, buying it's been a bad decision.
    It has always been hard to start, especially on a cold morning or after a while not using it (I have a Defender, and husband has a Patrol, so this is just my long distance travel or horridly wet weather car.)
    It has always smoked, especially on start up (it'll smoke you out of the shed) and when your foot's off the throttle, - when coming down a hill with foot on the accelerator or at traffic lights etc, it's smoke-free, take foot off the throttle then put it back on and it'll smoke it's guts out with blue-tinged white smoke.
    It did have a bent pushrod occur at one point but we have replaced that monster.
    Not wonderful on fuel consumption compared to Defender.


    We've done -
    Head Gasket TWICE - heater pipe came off. Oops
    Valve stem oil seals
    Pushrod caps
    Have put the healthy injectors in from the Defender
    All Filters and fluids
    Timing Belt
    Serpentine Belt
    Cleaned out intercooler, hoses, etc.
    Have done glow plugs
    It doesn't seem to use any oil either.

    The most recent thing we've tried is static timing. We've taken it to what the manual says, and it was off previously so we feel that it was running advanced - crankshaft pulley was out, so instead of being at top dead center it was feeling as though it was just starting compression - which may have been causing our issues with smoke etc.

    BUT NOW .... THE BLOODY THING WON'T START. We know the battery's not excellent, but we can't even start it whilst jumping off a 80 series Cruiser. It's just turning over, plenty of speed but nothing more, and if we aren't jump starting it at the time it just eventually runs out of battery and dies. It makes no attempt whatsoever to start.

    Alternator and starter motor are okay, but the only thing I could come up with was perhaps the fact that the last time the car got fuel was Mid-March and therefore is not 'winter diesel.' We live in a very cold area where we have had snow and frost since it was parked in the shed, and thought perhaps it has gelled fuel at the injectors. We've bled it, and diesel is able to come of the injector pipes. So now we're at a loss.

    Does anyone have any suggestions short of me lighting it on fire, because I'm at that option now! Any help would be very appreciated.

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    in order

    the leads off the fuel solenoid or the feed to it is gone.
    the fuel filter is blocked or theres a leak inthe fuel line
    the lift pump isnt lifting the fuel to the pump.
    the fuel pump is leaking back (very rare on the tdi(x)00 Configuration but technically possible)

    your smoke when cold may be sticking rings unless its black in which case it might be the boost compensator not doing its thing right, an intercooler hose failing, a wastegate stuck open,

    and just because the glow plugs are working (or testing OK) doesnt mean that they are working, the driving relay might be stuck or you have a high resistance lead to the plugs.
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    Thank you very much! We'll attack it again tomorrow, it's beer o'clock now or Dad or myself may lose our tempers with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redneck.woman91 View Post
    We've bled it, and diesel is able to come of the injector pipes. So now we're at a loss.
    With the high pressure line from the injector pump to the injector cracked at the injector, do you get fuel squirting out when cranking the engine?

    Aaron

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    How much current are the glowplugs drawing?

    Aaron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron IIA View Post
    How much current are the glowplugs drawing?

    Aaron
    It may be more important in Delegate than in Tuross to have working glow plugs, but inoperative glow plugs would definitely not prevent my 300Tdi starting.

    1973 Series III LWB 1983 - 2006
    1998 300 Tdi Defender Trayback 2006 - often fitted with a Trayon slide-on camper.

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    You haven't told us what went before it not starting. I know, it'a a saga, and you have been chasing stuff all over, but was there one thing you did before it refused to start?

    It can be very frustrating to chase a fault, and I know I can become fixated on something at the expense of all else. So, go back to basics.

    I'd be looking at Dave's first point first:

    the leads off the fuel solenoid or the feed to it is gone.

    Check that there is voltage at that lead, or, run a wire directly to it from battery +ve and see what happens. Hook it up in such a way that you can unhook it quickly, 'cos if it starts you will want to be able to stop it...

    Dave's third line is also important: (Yes, they are all important.)

    the lift pump isnt lifting the fuel to the pump.



    You need to be sure that the lift pump is off the cam, and then try and pump using the hand prime lever. Feel for resistance.

    That's my two bob's.
    ​JayTee

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    Cheers for the replies guys, we had a fiddle with it today and with the injector pipes we get fuel, but Dad can stick his fingers in the flow at the time of cranking the engine and there's not a great deal of pressure. He did get it running with Start Ya #@!$%#* but as soon as it ran out of that, it died.

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    Your dad is very lucky, the injection pump is capable of pushing in excess of 5000psi at injection.

    I'll let you google image diesel injection injuries.

    if you're getting something out of the injection lines with no pressure it most likely means the main pump is not priming correctly and you have either a failed lift pump, a blockage or leak to the lift pump.

    The boost compensator pin could also be stuck in the reduced fuel position or beyond which means you may have forced the governory bits in the pump into the low fuel position.

    drop the return line off the injector pump and see what comes out of that when you crank it over.
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

    Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
    Tdi autoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


    If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    Your dad is very lucky, the injection pump is capable of pushing in excess of 5000psi at injection.

    I'll let you google image diesel injection injuries..

    While you're at it, Google compressed air injuries. People do, or rather DID, apprenticeships for a reason.
    ​JayTee

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