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    97 Disco fuel bleed (or lack of)

    Hi
    Tale of woe first
    I've just finished sorting my 300 TDI Disco after it decided to do a head gasket at Easter.
    When I bought it it supposedly had a new head fitted and a few other major replacements, if only this was true!
    The head had a fair woof between 2 & 3 so it was a visit to the machinist and refitted. While the head was away I took the opportunity to
    redo some of the substandard wiring that had been installed at some stage (by substandard I mean it was wired by demented chimps)
    So all back together, found why the back of the engine was covered in oil, the oil filter spun off by hand, must of been fitted by the chimp.
    I bled it to the filter and attempted to bleed up to the injector but only got a fine spray (mainly over myself and the windshield) with each up on the
    pistons. It started eventually but is running like a hairy goat and sounds like its not firing on at least on pot.
    I'm guessing its still got air in it as it ran fine before the fun and I kept the fuel system components either blanked off or bagged n tagged.
    I've not tampered with a diesel before, I normally play with jets, so I'm hoping for some wisdom from you fine Gents
    Cheers

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    The inlet banjo fitting at the injector pump can be cracked open to bleed from the filter to the pump, and then bleed the injectors.

    Another common failure is the mechanical lift pump may be failing. There is a manual lever on the side of the lift pump, when operating correctly you can feel the pressure on the lever and a fair flow of diesel on every stroke, best seen at the bleed screw for the filter.
    I say the lift pump as the engine can run with it failed, but when you introduce air into the system the injection pump struggles.

    Post up what part of the country you are in, as someone may be nearby and able to lend a hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jboot51 View Post
    The inlet banjo fitting at the injector pump can be cracked open to bleed from the filter to the pump, and then bleed the injectors.

    Another common failure is the mechanical lift pump may be failing. There is a manual lever on the side of the lift pump, when operating correctly you can feel the pressure on the lever and a fair flow of diesel on every stroke, best seen at the bleed screw for the filter.
    I say the lift pump as the engine can run with it failed, but when you introduce air into the system the injection pump struggles.

    Post up what part of the country you are in, as someone may be nearby and able to lend a hand.
    The little lever on the lift pump moves but feels odd, doesn't appear to be doing a great deal either as I cracked the bleed screw on
    the filter, operated the lever and a large quantity of nothing came out.

    I'm in the Mittagong NSW
    Cheers for the advice

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    The best was to bleed a 300tdi is to fit a cheap electric pump to the supply line near the tank. Once there's a good supply of fuel to the engine and the pump is bled it should bleed the high pressure side by itself. It may pay to remove the tank pickup and check it for blockage by algal growth. Your lift pump may also need replacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy870 View Post
    The little lever on the lift pump moves but feels odd, doesn't appear to be doing a great deal either as I cracked the bleed screw on
    the filter, operated the lever and a large quantity of nothing came out.

    I'm in the Mittagong NSW
    Cheers for the advice
    Make sure that the motor is not at TDC as the hand primer will not work. Move it off TDC and you should feel some resistance.

    Tom.
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    1997 Disco 1 300TDI Auto - sold

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    The lift pump is working (couldn't get my great monkey hand in under the injectors pipes and get a good swing at it)
    I used the lift pump to bleed it from the filter to the injection pump as advised above.
    Not sure if I bleed up to the injectors with the lift pump or crack the unions when the engines running (Like I said, I usually work on jets
    they are far more well behave )
    Still no joy, its missing on at least one pot, heaps of white smoke out the back if I give it the welly.
    Its also sprung a small but annoying coolant leak around the water pump (not from the head though) the alternator is making some seriously nasty bearing
    noises and its electrics have a gremlin in the dual battery circuit.
    Had to walk away from it today as my very large sledge hammer was temptingly close

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    The water pump leak is common after a blown head gasket. I would assume the over pressurising of the cooling system takes out the front seal and coolant runs out of the weep hole.

    You had better sit down.............

    White smoke may be atomised fuel being pump out of the cylinder due to low/not enough compression.
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    And don't forget to go over the valve clearances. A missing lash cap, bent push rod or similar will stop the engine running nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jboot51 View Post
    The water pump leak is common after a blown head gasket. I would assume the over pressurising of the cooling system takes out the front seal and coolant runs out of the weep hole.

    You had better sit down.............

    White smoke may be atomised fuel being pump out of the cylinder due to low/not enough compression.
    BENT CONROD due to hydrolock.

    The water pump would make sense as the weep hole would be right where the leak is.
    I check the piston height above the block, its as per the book so I think the conrods should be ok.
    Thanks for the info.

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    With the engine running crack the injectors one at a time to determine which cylinder is bad. Then engine rpm wont change on the bad cylinder.
    Then swap the injector to a different cylinder.
    Crack the injectors again. If the problem follows the injector then the injector is a problem, if not, then the problem is with the cylinder.
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