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    Quote Originally Posted by AK83 View Post
    Not being rude here .. just trying to get the correct terminology set straight!

    CDL = centre diff lock
    T/C = transfer case.

    using the lever for CDL is locked or unlocked(not neutral). move the lever left(locked) or right(unlocked). On the road in daily use it should be to the right(unlocked). Move it to the left(locked) for off road situations.
    using the lever for T/C (ie. gearing) is Hi(back) and Lo(forward) and in the middle position is Neutral.

    So it seems that what you're saying is that if you lock the centre diff(ie. not put the Hi/Lo transfer case gearing in Neutral) you can't drive the vehicle(ie. as in off road) .. ie. it won't move?

    So assuming that your use of the term Neutral = transfer case gearing(ie. not centre diff), if you put the lever in the centre position for Neutral, you can move the wheels by hand if jacked up?

    I'm thinking, for example, that if your handbrake is stuck on(at the drum, not the handbrake lever, it will 'lock' the wheels to a degree.
    With diff lock set to unlock, to the right(normal road use position), it really only locks the wheels on the rear axle only. If the CDL is set to locked, to the left(off road position), then the handbrake also locks the front axle too.

    Even so, reason for all that is just to describe that the T/C and CDL can be a complicated system to test.

    But going by your first post, I'd say you've suffered some destruction in the centre diff(CDL), causing it to jam up.
    Many years ago when I had my RRC(LT95, ie. integrated transfer case and CDL) basically as you described. A 'CDL' diff shaft had broken into pieces causing it to lock solid internally. That is not lock up as in CDL locked for off road use .. lock up and RRC was rendered (almost undriveable!).

    What I tried, back then, was to drive in reverse in low range... try not to turn at all where possible, it seemed to free up whatever inside the gearbox and I then drove home. Every time I had to make a sharp turn(as in Left or Right hander 90°) the car juddered badly with transmission wind up.
    On curves it was OK tho. Drive home was about 10km but eventually got there.
    I don't really remember any bang noise before the transfer/CDL got jammed, but on reversing it did 'let go' with a slight bang .. like a hammer hitting the gearbox.

    I had it towed to my mechanic, stripped and found some diff cross shaft part in many pieces. I have no idea exactly what caused the lockup, but I guess that some loose piece had jammed up in a gear or something like that.
    Hey mate, ive always kept it in high range, just before it happened the car did little jolts while driving so i parked up and let it sit for about half an hour, then when i came back to and started to drive off it did the same thing coming down the only exit ramp it comes to a complete stop and im unable to move at at all. So i rang up my girlfriends dad whos a mechanic and told him what happened, he suggest i put the CDL into neutral and jack up one of the wheels to release any tension built up in the wheels and thats as far as ive got to resolving the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markrobb97 View Post
    Hey mate, ive always kept it in high range, just before it happened the car did little jolts while driving so i parked up and let it sit for about half an hour, then when i came back to and started to drive off it did the same thing coming down the only exit ramp it comes to a complete stop and im unable to move at at all. So i rang up my girlfriends dad whos a mechanic and told him what happened, he suggest i put the CDL into neutral and jack up one of the wheels to release any tension built up in the wheels and thats as far as ive got to resolving the problem
    Seeing that you can't actually put a CDL into "neutral" (just "lock" and "unlock") it all sounds a little sus. Putting the transfer case into neutral won't help to drive forwards either.

    My guess is that you've shattered a CV joint at one front wheel and need to do some major dismantling to find it. If the rear diff is still intact you could remove both front drive flanges and the front drive shaft, engage CDL, and drive home. Or get a tow truck to a garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    Seeing that you can't actually put a CDL into "neutral" (just "lock" and "unlock") it all sounds a little sus. Putting the transfer case into neutral won't help to drive forwards either.

    My guess is that you've shattered a CV joint at one front wheel and need to do some major dismantling to find it. If the rear diff is still intact you could remove both front drive flanges and the front drive shaft, engage CDL, and drive home. Or get a tow truck to a garage.
    I found the problem! The bearings ( Not sure if it the casing or the ball bearings itself) have shattered in the rear of the transfer case, luckily all the teeth are undamaged.

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    Wow, that's a rare one.
    Regards Philip A

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Wow, that's a rare one.
    Regards Philip A
    Any ideas on how it would of happened?

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    Well just speculating as I have never heard of it before.
    1 Nut loosened on output shaft. It was common in LT95 and you could tell as the speedo would go erratic but LT230 no so much AFAIK.
    2 no oil in transfer case.
    Regards Philip A

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Well just speculating as I have never heard of it before.
    1 Nut loosened on output shaft. It was common in LT95 and you could tell as the speedo would go erratic but LT230 no so much AFAIK.
    2 no oil in transfer case.
    Regards Philip A
    Ahhh cheers, then its definitely lack of oil! When i pulled the cover of there was barely any oil in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markrobb97 View Post
    Ahhh cheers, then its definitely lack of oil! When i pulled the cover of there was barely any oil in there
    Let that be a lesson to everyone. When checking oil dont neglect to check the transfer case.

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    MMM strange, do the TC leak in a Disco 1

    Before I had mine rebuilt and resealed I had to top it up every 5,000 km with 200ml
    Discovery 1 4.6, true trac front and rear, superior engineering arms,old tourer now bush toy
    Discovery 4 3.0 HSE MY13 ECB Bull bar, winch, spot lights, aux fuel tank, Kaymar rear bar, duel wheel carriers, 18 tuff ant wheels 265/65/18 BFG KO2's for play

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