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    Landie93 Guest

    Alternator brush replacement

    Hi Guys

    Just did an injector replacement on my V8 Disco 93 (Petrol/GAS) this past weekend - got them from Fivomotorsport, the switch has made a huge amount of difference in throttle response and starting

    but I still get resistance when my foot is down flat, I get to about +/- 90km/h quite smoothly (not eagerly though) but then the coughs and splutters start and it i'd be lucky to get 110km/h

    funny thing is when switching across to gas the Disco runs like a champ - I don't know what it's top end is yet, the last time I floored it I have run out of road and had to slack off after getting close to 140km/h - on one of those back roads in the sticks.

    have heard some bumf on alternaters causing a miss fire if the brushes worn , or for that matter worn belts - something to do with the taco being connected alternator which then sends info back to the ECU which in inturn sets the timing - Is this true? it also says that the pre-warning of worn brushes is a slight glow on the battery charge light on the dash,... which unfortunately I am experiencing.

    thaught - would I be right in saying that the gas system has it's own rectifier chip that would send a corrected signal to the ECU and thus runs better as it's not using that data from the taco

    and that a brush, rectifier, voltage regulator change and belts would solve my problems... can anyone help with a supplier for brushes and other alternator spares in the Brisbane area

    anyone out there with some answers??

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    Personally I think you are looking too hard and finding links that aren't there.

    Any Disco before the Disco2 in 99 didn't have ECU control over the ignition. The ECU was fuel only and the ignition was just normal electronic ignition.

    Do you just have the old style mixer for LPG? If so then it won't be connected to your ECU at all. Shutting off the injectors or the ECU is probably done with a relay.

    I have a problem with mine (94 Disco) where it runs rough on petrol if I switch from LPG to petrol on the go. I have to switch the engine off and wait for the ECU to reset and then restart. The crap running coincides with a MAF fault so I assume the two are related.

    I've read on here that the engine will have ignition trouble if you use a non standard alternator too but I've not had any experience with that.

    If yours runs fine on LPG and rough on petrol then I would have thought it was a fuel or AFM thing. Have you checked fuel pressure?
    Maybe also fuel temp sensor or one of the other sensors that petrol uses but not LPG.
    Does it rev hard in the lower gears? Since you said it was slow to get up to speed I would guess it doesn't which would bring me back to fuel pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landie93 View Post
    Hi Guys


    but I still get resistance when my foot is down flat, I get to about +/- 90km/h quite smoothly (not eagerly though) but then the coughs and splutters start and it i'd be lucky to get 110km/h

    funny thing is when switching across to gas the Disco runs like a champ - I don't know what it's top end is yet, the last time I floored it I have run out of road and had to slack off after getting close to 140km/h - on one of those back roads in the sticks.

    anyone out there with some answers??
    don't know about running a disco on gas, however your disco should do 107MPH top speed, whatever that is in kph, on petrol [premium - these things don't like crap.]
    suffice to say about 180 kph [someone will correct me]
    it should accellerate from rest to top speed without any crap - mine does!
    although i havn't had it to absolute top yet as there aren't roads to do it on [not that there were when i got 175]
    Safe Travels
    harry

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    having problems posting a reply - tried twice and got bombed out twice

    fuel pressure is fine and sits at 2.8bar constant over a wait of 5 minutes

    MAF setting was changed from a reading of 1.4 volts down to 0.7 volts to leen the mixture when I was getting raw fuel smells from the exhaust - I have not re-set this or taken it lower - will tweek this after changing out my fan/alternator belt this weekend

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    Your MAF should be between 1.0v and 1.5v at idle.

    I'd set it back in that range. If it is any lower than 1.0v then it must be masking some other problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utemad View Post
    Personally I think you are looking too hard and finding links that aren't there.

    Any Disco before the Disco2 in 99 didn't have ECU control over the ignition. The ECU was fuel only and the ignition was just normal electronic ignition.

    Do you just have the old style mixer for LPG? If so then it won't be connected to your ECU at all. Shutting off the injectors or the ECU is probably done with a relay.

    I have a problem with mine (94 Disco) where it runs rough on petrol if I switch from LPG to petrol on the go. I have to switch the engine off and wait for the ECU to reset and then restart. The crap running coincides with a MAF fault so I assume the two are related.

    I've read on here that the engine will have ignition trouble if you use a non standard alternator too but I've not had any experience with that.

    If yours runs fine on LPG and rough on petrol then I would have thought it was a fuel or AFM thing. Have you checked fuel pressure?
    Maybe also fuel temp sensor or one of the other sensors that petrol uses but not LPG.
    Does it rev hard in the lower gears? Since you said it was slow to get up to speed I would guess it doesn't which would bring me back to fuel pressure.
    I replaced the standard alternator with a Nissan el cheapo one in my 94 Disco V8 with no probs at all. Quoted $1,650 for a genuine one from the dealer and replaced it for $165 inc fitting from an auto mechanic. Based purely on my experience I doubt the veracity of a non genuine alternator causing probs.

    Regards


    Martin

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    Hi again

    Changed out the fan, alternater and Power steering belts this past weekend -now I have the problem of not hearing the engine when it's runninng, not a single squeek.... happy as Larry

    I also changed the MAF back up a notch to 1.0volt at idle, all runs well and starts well but still does'nt want to let loose when under load (flooring it to allow it to drop down a gear or when needed) As said before the Landy respondes well when on gas but it just seems reluctant to respond on fuel - we took the Landy up the Mountain on Saturday and had to change it to gas to get it up there at a decent speed

    The gas mixer is a relay type - the system is about 10 years old, my cylinder cirt was just renewed. other than the gas never seeming to last I am happy with the gas side of things.

    This problems got me, it looks as if I am going to have to send it into the shop to put it on the computor, just don't have the tools to fiddle with the logics myself... Don't you just hate being out smarted by the smallest of things.

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    If it only does it on petrol, then I'd be looking at replacing the fuel filter as it sounds like a starvation problem.

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    Mate - I have a 95 on petrol and LPG. I got sick of prince of darkness and opted - with the help of someone on this site - to go with an Australian Bosch dizzy and HEI module (basically a new machined to fit Ford dizzy with ford/holden cap and generic Bosch HEI Amp module). It made a world of difference and the intermittent misfire on LPG disappeared. What I have learned with this vehicle in particular is how important spark is to LPG. So you clearly have a great spark if LPG is doing so well. As such I reckon that you can fairly safely look at fuel side of things...starvation seems most likely.

    I got a brand new Maranelli alternator from Ashdowns earlier this year for about $770 inc GST and fitted it in about half hour - 45 mins hour myself. It is magic. They are nice. I tried having the old one re-built a few times without success.

    I have heard that different alts can affect the fuel injection on rovers but I dont know that there is hard evidence.

    Cheers

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