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Thread: My 97 TDI Disco has died....HELP!!!!

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    edvanr Guest

    Exclamation My 97 TDI Disco has died....HELP!!!!

    Hi Guys,
    I am in a major world of pain and would really appreciate some advice.
    Here is the serious of events that has left 400km between me and my Disco…

    1. 1) 2 weeks ago I took it on a 1200km trip (600 each way) towing a boat which weighted about 1.2tonne. My first real trip with it and it went perfectly, I was very happy…
    2. I get my car serviced by a trusted and reputable mechanic (the same guy who sold me the truck), I drop a bit of cash on a full service and several other items, including a replacement of the expansion tank (genuine part) as it had a slight crack.
    3. I drive from Sydney to Melbourne towing a big trailer with about 500kg in it.
    4. In high revs (4th gear) on a slight hill I hear a slight hissing noise from the engine. When I reduce the revs all is fine. I plan to pull over at the next servo and check it out, next thing I know I look at the engine temp and it is red lined, 2 seconds later the engine dies, I come to a rolling stop and smoke is coming from the bonnet. Not a good feeling….
    5. I tow it to a local shop and we determine that the engine is completely fried and requires a top-end rebuild. Mechanic quotes around $6k.
    6. We filled the expansion tank up with water and pressurize it, and water leaks fast out of the join on the expansion tank. Cant see any more leaks at this stage
    So now I am stuffed, I need my car in Melbourne for work, I am suppose to be working on renovating a house, I have no money and everything has gone to sh1t…

    Anyway, I am trying to find out if there is any chance I could put it back on the supplier of the expansion tank.

    I don’t know heaps of these cars, however from speaking to people I believe the failure of the cooling system could be caused by the following:

    • A faulty expansion tank (which would be great for me as I could put responsibility back o nthe manufacturer)
    • Some other failure in the cooling system (Thermostat, fans, hoses)
    • Blocked radiator
    • Head gasket leaking pressure into the cooling system. (this could also explain the original crack in the old expansion tank??)
    I have spoken to my mechanic in Sydney and he says the only way I could put it back on the expansion tank was if I get a forensic automotive consultant to do an independent audit and try to determine the cause of the failure. I have not had this quoted yet but I imagine this would be costly…

    I paid $8.5k for the car 6months ago, which was a great deal (though a friend). It is fully decked out with ARB Bull bars, tow bars, cargo cage, grind plate underneath, snorkel… and was going to be my introduction into 4wd’ing. It had done 180,000km and I had the timing belt change as soon as I purchased it.


    One option is to replace the engine. I have sourced a new engine and this is what the guy told me:
    • $3,600 exchange (I take his, he takes mine)
    • 136,00km on the engine, apparently it was in an accident
    • They dismantle, check oil pressure, compression issues then install new cylinder head gasket and timing belt using genuine parts (all this included in total cost)
    • They leave the turbo charger, injectors, injector pump, intake & exhaust manifold…etc. He recons a lot of people transfer their problems between engines if they don’t do this.
    • In addition to this he has recommended that I get the cooling system thoroughly checked and the radiator re cored.
    • Estimate $1200-1500 to install
    I really don’t know what to do, I guess I have 3 options…
    1. Take $2.5k I was offered for the car in the stat it is in and buy a bike
    2. Have the top end rebuilt for $6k, will my problems go away though???
    3. Purchase a new engine and have it installed for around $5k, is this the fresh start I am looking for??
    Any help you guys can give would be great. I only had this car for 6 months but I absolutely love it, and I feel like I have just lost a family member. It is killing me!

    Is anyone other than myself responsible for this? I doubt it...

    Ed.

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    By top end do you mean head etc as a new bare head is approx. $1500 or less so 6k is way over the top, you could fully reco the whole motor for that. I dont think you can blame the supplier of the tank as the motor would have to build up loads of pressure to split the tank and there are so many variables they could use for other causes. If it only leaks out the tank then you may only need a headgasket replaced, either way the only way to determine cause and course of repair is a teardown - goodluck. by the way wa the tank black or white ? black tanks were known to split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edvanr View Post
    [*]I tow it to a local shop and we determine that the engine is completely fried and requires a top-end rebuild. Mechanic quotes around $6k.
    If the motor is "completely fried" (ie. seized in my book), what good is a new top end!

    Does it turn over?

    Where did the mechanic 'pull' $6k from?

    Who offered you the $2.5k?

    Need to settle down a bit and think this through I think!

    I do, however, feel your pain though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edvanr View Post
    I get my car serviced by a trusted and reputable mechanic (the same guy who sold me the truck), I drop a bit of cash on a full service and several other items, including a replacement of the expansion tank (genuine part) as it had a slight crack.
    If your previous expansion tank had a crack in it already did your mechanic check if there was head gasket damage? I'd think that since 300tdi's suffer head damage so easily that it would be the first thing your mechanic would check.

    I have spoken to my mechanic in Sydney and he says the only way I could put it back on the expansion tank was if I get a forensic automotive consultant to do an independent audit and try to determine the cause of the failure. I have not had this quoted yet but I imagine this would be costly…

    Do this. It'll cost some money, but you'll have an independent judgement on what went wrong. It'll either settle your mind or give you someone to point the finger at.

    Welcome to the 300 club.

    Cheers
    Simon

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaddonxi View Post
    Do this. It'll cost some money, but you'll have an independent judgement on what went wrong. It'll either settle your mind or give you someone to point the finger at.
    And after all that money if it turns out NOT to be the expansion tank he is in deeper doodoo!

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    mcrover Guest
    Calm down and take it to a Landrover repairer, not a dealer.

    All is not bad.....yet..

    There are a few good ones up in NSW, check recomended repairers for more info.

    $6k will buy you a rebuilt engine so unless your bolting on a new core, new turbo and new valves then $6k is a bit over the top in my books so that gives me the clew that you need to take it somewhere more in the know or less likely to try to relieve you of more money than you need to.

    I I were to do anything it would be the second hand engine if I was somewhere too far from home as it will be the fastest way top get you back on the road but then again, a good LR repairer will have a better solution that will suit you.

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    mike 90 RR Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by edvanr View Post

    I really don’t know what to do, I guess I have 3 options…

    1. Take $2.5k I was offered for the car in the stat it is in and buy a bike
    2. Have the top end rebuilt for $6k, will my problems go away though???
    3. Purchase a new engine and have it installed for around $5k, is this the fresh start I am looking for??
    None of those options


    I would do as McRover suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by mcrover View Post
    Calm down and take it to a Landrover repairer, not a dealer.

    All is not bad.....yet..
    There are a few good ones up in NSW, check recommended repairers for more info.
    And get a Tow truck to get it back to Sydney ($300??) and do the ring around ...

    Just reread it .... you want it in Melbourne
    Last edited by mike 90 RR; 11th December 2008 at 06:06 PM. Reason: wrong place

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    And fit a low coolant alarm cheap compared to the 6k rebuild

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    mcrover Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by rangieman View Post
    And fit a low coolant alarm cheap compared to the 6k rebuild
    x2

    I gotta buy one of them things.......

    I thought they were a bit of a not so nessessery item but there are more and more of these sort of things happeneing lately so I may have to invest me thinks.

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    Last edited by mike 90 RR; 11th December 2008 at 06:08 PM. Reason: choices

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