Recovery points: cost?

**Urban Panzer** · 2nd May 2010, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by ozscott

The 4x4 intelligence ones are very good and well priced. See their web site. They are extremely heavy items and bolt straight to the chassis behind the crush cans. I have them on my 02 with a TJM steel winch bar. They do come down a bit lower and more forward than the ones pictured from what I can tell from the photos.

As for snatch v winching - you have to have a place to winch too...bit hard when stuck deep on the beach and sand anchors that work are heavy and no one really has them in real life. As for winching otherwise, it is nice to be able to self extract no doubt but if someone is handy with a strap and rated shackles and if you have solid front points with a bridle why not - far quicker than winch and saves your plasma rope/cable/winch for another time when you are flying solo or there is no room for the snatch.
In some ways I would like a winch, but its one of those things...if I stick one on I just know I am going to start getting stuck!!!

Cheers

PS. Here is a link showing some - these are not mine but are a better pic than the ones i posted on a similar thread http://www.aulro.com/app/data/500/medium/image1.jpg

I agree winches are not always "practical", but "if" someone is there to "snatch" from, then the same person / vehicle could be used as a winch point, add a pulley block and extraction should be easy with no risk of damage from snatching out the vehicle.

Not sure I like the idea of snatching from the axle, seen a few instances where the axle "leaves" the chassis during a strong pull, and if that happens your dead in the water, the chassis itself would be my first choice for a pull.

**Slunnie** · 2nd May 2010, 09:54 AM

Same, only snatch from the chassis.

re winch vs snatch. you can do most recoveries with a snatch, but not all - which is where the winch is good. The other great thing about a winch, is that you can use it to continue along a track that you've become stuck on, or are able to return along a track that you've become stuck on.

A snatch is easy, but you need somebody else
A winch is easy but you need something to winch off.

I think the $500 mount is Bruce Davis' also. That is a well engineered mount. It will rip the chassis out before the mount gives in - good luck trying to do that, you gear will break long before the chassis gives in.

Also, look carefully at the mechanics of any selected recovery point. There are a lot on the market that are not sound in my view from an engineering perspective. Not that the product is weak, but the leverage generated on the attachment bolts is wrong.

**MickS** · 2nd May 2010, 10:00 AM

Also, don't discount snatching from the rear as opposed to the front wherever possible.

**discomarsh** · 5th May 2010, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Slunnie

I think the $500 mount is Bruce Davis' also. That is a well engineered mount. It will rip the chassis out before the mount gives in - good luck trying to do that, you gear will break long before the chassis gives in.

I spoke to Bruce Davis at Davis Performance Landys, and theirs are rated to 8 tonne.

Tombie · 5th May 2010, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by discomarsh

I spoke to Bruce Davis at Davis Performance Landys, and theirs are rated to 8 tonne.

Theres the difference, BDs recovery point is RATED...

Others are not, and have not been tested. I have seen some others right at the fatigue point after a simple, mild recovery...

**discomarsh** · 5th May 2010, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie2

Theres the difference, BDs recovery point is RATED...

Others are not, and have not been tested. I have seen some others right at the fatigue point after a simple, mild recovery...

Fella said they pulled off at 10 tonne, so they rated them safe at 8.

**incisor** · 5th May 2010, 02:02 PM

i ALWAYS use a rated twin sling usually wire but sometimes chain when pulling on the front of a rover.

have seen a lot of damage done pulling on one leg only...

**newlandyowner** · 6th May 2010, 02:25 AM

What kind of recovery points do you use??

**newlandyowner** · 6th May 2010, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Hoges

replace the bolts securing the front control (radius) arms to the axle with slightly longer ones and secure a rated hook to each. when you are headed for harm's way, secure a couple of rated 3m slings, one to each hook and tie them out of the way onto the bull bar. when you get into strife, simply connect the slings with a rated shackle to the tow rope and get the tow vehicle to firmly pull you out NOT snatch you out...

For a reasonable engineering explanation of why this is a superior recovery attachment method read Technical Review of ADR

good luck

Have you seen this ADR system ever fitted to a landy??
Would be pretty interesting to see one being recovered this way.

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