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    Advice on setting up a D2 for towing

    Hi all.

    I'm possibly going to be doing some towing soon (~2000kg with ~150kg ball weight), for a while... I'm after some input into the vehicle setup etc. based on what I currently have, and what I am initially planning. Particularly interested in advice from others who have towed similar weights etc for long periods of time, and any problems that may have arisen with the vehicle and stuff to watch out for.

    Currently:
    2000 D2 T5 Auto with ACE and coils, sagged 2" lift
    TD5 is chipped by BDMW
    Auto is bog standard
    Have a Tekonsha Voyager (> 4 axle) brake controller fitted
    Have just replaced the radius arm bushes front and rear (huge difference)
    Standard LR tow receiver
    Exhaust manifold gasket etc done, all 10mm studs
    EGR bypass done
    Replaced fuel regulator, radiator, DC joint (greasable front shaft), viscous fan, most coolant hoses (not heater)
    Repaired fuel cooler, power steering hose


    Planned mods/changes (advice and thoughts please):
    Bridgestone Dueler 695's in 245/75/16 with 3000lb load rating, probably from the USA direct
    Replace watts linkage, sway bars and Panhard rod bushes
    Replace sway bar linkages
    Replace tie rod ends
    Replace springs/shocks (unsure of brand or rates etc)
    Install dual battery setup with Anderson Plug (ARB tray currently fitted)
    Install spin on oil filter relocation kit for Z9 or similar (almost no access past ARB second battery tray)
    Nudge bar or similar to mount lights and CB antenna etc
    Replace stock brake hoses with braided line
    Replace rotoflex
    Replace thermostat
    Service auto
    Overhaul calipers
    Overhaul brake master cylinder
    Other stuff as it becomes apparent

    Possible mods/changes (advice and thoughts please):
    Silicon turbo hoses
    Upgraded auto oil cooler in factory position (if possible)
    High capacity transfer case sump
    Regards, Will

    Stornoway Grey '09 D3 TDV6 SE, 2015 TERRITORY Engine at 348k
    LLAMS, FYRLYTS, OL D4 Bar
    Safari Snorkel, D4 hitch, ARB CKMA12

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    Smile

    My wife and I have towed 2.6 to 2.7 tonnes around 30,000 km over the past few years with my D2, but it is a V8 so I can't comment on your TD5 specifically, but you are on the money with ensuring that cooling and suspension are spot on before you start.

    Most importantly, fit a larger auto cooler. The standard one is not adequate for heavy towing. I was amazed at the temperature of my auto when I had a temp gauge fitted, and quickly fitted a bigger cooler.

    I am not certain about the need for a larger sump on the transfer case, but my gut feeling is that it would help minimise the rapid wear which mine suffered.

    If the budget allows, replace the Voyager with a Prodigy or later Tekonsha product. Once you have tried a Prodigy you will wonder how you ever made do with the Voyager.

    Keep heavy objects away from the rear of your van (no tool boxes, jerry cans or extra spare wheels) and for best results try to get your ball weight a bit closer to the optimum 10%.

    Enjoy the heck out of it!

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    Hey Winaje, long time!

    I'd add an additional ATF cooler rather than replacing the current one with a bigger one because it is in a bad position. Check the DPL ones which are excellent.

    Rear springs, if you've still got the King Springs ones, they are soft in rate, so maybe look at either upping the rates or going Polyairs, more so if you are going to fill the boot with stuff.

    Higher performance brake pads

    A few people have mentioned the high capacity transfer sump - I wouldn't bother, the case doesn't run hot and the oil doesn't become contaminated. I think they're a gimmick.

    Sounds like you're going nomadic for a while! Have fun!
    Cheers
    Slunnie


    ~ Discovery II Td5 ~ Discovery 3dr V8 ~ Series IIa 6cyl ute ~ Series II V8 ute ~

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    Hi Simon, also long time... Thanks to you and Grumn for your replies so far.

    You mention an additional trans cooler; Mike recommends a P38 cooler. Please advise why you recommend an additional rather than the P38, and where to fit it? Who/what are the DPL coolers? Link please?

    Yes, still have the King Springs. Will be replacing them front and rear, along with shocks, looking at a Suspension Stuff kit probably. Will be pulling the large rear seat out and lightly to medium loading the rear, hopefully.

    Am currently running Bendix 4WD pads on standard DBA discs that are only lightly worn.

    Keep the answers coming guys
    Regards, Will

    Stornoway Grey '09 D3 TDV6 SE, 2015 TERRITORY Engine at 348k
    LLAMS, FYRLYTS, OL D4 Bar
    Safari Snorkel, D4 hitch, ARB CKMA12

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    Hi winaje,

    Slunnie has been a great help with me as I'm looking to go down a very similar path with Grimmy 99 d2 td5.

    Its seeming to boil down to these items
    1) upgraded intercooler
    2) upgraded transmission cooler
    3) ECU remap (stage 1 or 2), I'm looking to get a NNN ecu
    4) silicon hoses
    5) maybe a boost box
    6) appropriate rated rear suspension for level travel
    7) some gauges (boost, EGT and trans temp) I have an off-road caravan and looking to do some beach work so temps need to be watched.
    8) upgraded rotors and brake pads up front
    9) de-stressing the exhaust manifold

    The idea behind the larger trans sump is for more oil and surface area.... you get both with a large cooler anyway and cooler air. I'm looking to add a CEM additive to the good quality fully synthetic oil and a more regular oil change regeme.
    Last edited by pohm66; 16th January 2011 at 07:56 PM. Reason: added extra item
    New :- D3 TDV6 2006 SE
    Bullbar, traxide dual battery
    General grabber ATs
    Mitch hitch
    Home made drawer and fridge system
    Foldable UHF antenna on roof rail

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    Quote Originally Posted by winaje View Post
    Hi Simon, also long time... Thanks to you and Grumn for your replies so far.

    You mention an additional trans cooler; Mike recommends a P38 cooler. Please advise why you recommend an additional rather than the P38, and where to fit it? Who/what are the DPL coolers? Link please?

    Yes, still have the King Springs. Will be replacing them front and rear, along with shocks, looking at a Suspension Stuff kit probably. Will be pulling the large rear seat out and lightly to medium loading the rear, hopefully.

    Am currently running Bendix 4WD pads on standard DBA discs that are only lightly worn.

    Keep the answers coming guys
    The reasoning behind the DPL ATF cooler is that it is up and out of the middle of the radiator packs - it means that you can clean it, it wont become blocked full of mud the first time you drive through mud and you'll end up with greater cooling performance from it. It sits behind the grill so air can go around it and through to the radiators still.
    Dasvis Performance Landys home page#

    This is what they look like when installed - keep in mind that this is also sitting between 2 spotties.


    The P38 units are probably good, but they can only be so effective when the air has already passed through the AC condensor, the ATF temps are only warm rather than hot anyway (ie minimal temp differential between ambient and ATF temps, meaning heat transfer is already inefficient) and then the air has to flow through the coolant radiator.

    It is down low, and if you ever hit mud you its a big job to clean the radiators even with the radiator cleaning wands. This was mine when it came out. Your money and your tranny but I think the OE position of the ATF cooler is a shocker.



    The SS 2"(?) wont be as supple as what you have, depending on what shocks you run. It'll be good with the Caravan on, but obviously stiffer when the van is off. Polyairs if you want to maintain the Caravanless ride. Shane will be able to fill you in more on his shock options.

    I'd keep using the Bendix brakes that you have. They're good.
    Cheers
    Slunnie


    ~ Discovery II Td5 ~ Discovery 3dr V8 ~ Series IIa 6cyl ute ~ Series II V8 ute ~

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    I have 99 D2 TD5 since new & have pulled 1800kg of van. I have had a little more than my share of maintenance but nothing much that I would put down to towing particularly. Towing possibly had a little to do with the clutch pack in the auto going but there was no sign of overheating but who knows, so yes do the bigger auto cooler. I'm possibly a little too relaxed but there is a lot to be said for "if it ain't broke don't fix it"

    Not mentioned in your list , as you already have sagging springs I would get a H.R. weight distribution hitch. Getting more weight on your front wheels = major improvement in steering and brakes.

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    Thanks again.

    Will take your advice Simon and look into an auxiliary cooler. BTW, DPL site is crap, lol. But will look at them as well as 15800K Fan Mounted cooler kit with AN8 - 1/2" inlet - eBay (item 130387847640 end time Jan-26-11 18:56:28 PST) and possibly use with the fan running bacwards to blow instead of suck...

    John, will be using a WDH, have to work out if I use the standard receiver or try and find the Hayman Reese replacement.

    Thanks pohm66, but dammit, more things to add to the list, this is not good...
    Regards, Will

    Stornoway Grey '09 D3 TDV6 SE, 2015 TERRITORY Engine at 348k
    LLAMS, FYRLYTS, OL D4 Bar
    Safari Snorkel, D4 hitch, ARB CKMA12

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    I'd be inclined to select the cooler really carefully. I spent a lot of time and $ repairing transmissions and sorting coolers. Ones like that with the pipe and fins dont cool as well as the ones designed like your coolant radiator/intercooler etc, and you need to use one on the D2 that has proper pressure fittings such as multi-barb connections such as used by Pirtek etc. If you just use the slip on low pressure connections, even with the humps and bumps etc with hose clamps the Auto will blow the ATF lines off and it wont be reliable at all - I've been there several times.

    Yeah, the DPL site isn't too flash at all.
    Cheers
    Slunnie


    ~ Discovery II Td5 ~ Discovery 3dr V8 ~ Series IIa 6cyl ute ~ Series II V8 ute ~

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    The standard receiver should be bomb proof for a 2000kg van and works well with a HR WDH.

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