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    TD5 Disco 2 won't fire

    Hi Guys

    I have read all the other TD5 Won't start and Disco won't start chains but it seems this issue is a little beyond.

    Vehicle was running sweet, drove it into the driveway last week, went to move it into the garage to do the panhard bushes later that afternoon and she wouldn't start, eventually feathering the throttle, got it to start _real_ rough, hawkeye in cylinder roughness went from -20 to +20 across the 5 with cylinder 3 being close to 0

    Its not using coolant, no water in oil, no oil in water, no bubbles in coolant tank.

    No oil in the harness but did clean it out anyway with contact cleaner, still not starting without lots of throttle attention but was a little smoother when it started with only cylinder 3 way out of roughness.

    Engine has 320k on the clock and had never had injector seals so ordered the seals and washers, done them Friday, everything was perfectly clean before going back together, injectors 4 & 5 had build up on them, the rest were clean, washer 1 had seen better days around the outside, base of the injector holes in the head had carbon marks and plenty of floaters in there, cleaned it all out with vacuum, air and a cloth.

    Turned the engine over with the fuel pump disconnected to get rid of all the diesel in the pots until there was no more mist.

    Injectors cleaned with a bit of brake cleaner and washers and o-rings replaced and injectors re-seated carefully, bolts done up to 24ft/lbs, each lobe lifted until it was at its peak (just before it dropped off the back), the plunger wound down to the bottom of the injector, back 1 full turn, nut locked off.

    Loom back on, primed (up to 8 straight primes) and it turns over perfectly but doesn't fire.

    No fault codes are logged that I can see with a Hawkeye, it is running the TRS modified non-NNN ECU

    Battery voltage is good.

    The valve in the fuel filter assembly with the filter on it was pretty clogged, replaced that and the crank angle sensor this morning, engine cranks happily, no knocking, but won't fire.

    Plenty of fuel at the FPR (removed the hose into a bucket to test) and during the primes could hear fuel circulating

    Ripped the injectors out just to check I didnt have a bad seating washer / o-ring, no diesel in the rocker cover, heaps of diesel in the cylinders, injector tips soaked.

    Dried, reassembled, same thing, zero faults logged, no fuses blown, power to the glow plugs (granted the glow plug indicator doesn't come on at key up time, but i can test it with Hawkeye and illuminate, tested 12v to the plugs themselves when triggering the relay)

    I wouldn't be overly stressed but this is the only car with a child restraint in it and I have the little one this weekend and stuck in the middle of nowhere, and I can't see where I have missed anything, any advice anyone??? Please??

    Presently out at Stanthorpe in SE Qld so a long way from parts and being Anzac day Tuesday, express post is going to be Wednesday

    Rob

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    They can be a right ***** to start once they've been stopped. Are you doing the fuel bleed trick with the throttle pedal and the MIL?
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    Yep, key off 15 seconds, key on, 5 pumps of the throttle until MIL illuminates and flashes and runs through a 3 minute prime...

    Tank is full of diesel, has done 75km since filled, thought may have been the diesel so added a shock to it just for giggles, took the 300tdi defender to the same joint to fill up and added same shock just to keep equals on the fuel.

    About 2am this morning with the little one being dropped off at 9am, I wanted to prove compression, rag soaked in petrol in the air intake, cranked, bloody thing went and idled perfectly, smoothest its ever been just for a second so yanked the rag and put it to bed.

    I dunno guys, i'm completely lost...there is continuity across the injector harness on both ground and signal wires, they are coded correctly and I can fire each one individually from the hawkeye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Muppet View Post
    They can be a right ***** to start once they've been stopped. Are you doing the fuel bleed trick with the throttle pedal and the MIL?
    Correct! It won't fire up until all the air in the injectors clears and the bleed sequence does not remove that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pippin View Post
    Correct! It won't fire up until all the air in the injectors clears and the bleed sequence does not remove that.
    Nick
    So just persevere with the purge procedure or is there another way or getting the air out?

    Rob

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    Hi Rob,

    I replaced injector seals for someone the other day and it took a long time to fire up after the purge sequence. So just keep trying re my pm.

    Nick

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    Just a thought But have you checked the fuel line from the tank for fractures, pinholes or loose joints that may be sucking air into the system?

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    Hi Trout,

    Only place that could remotely possibly be would be around the FPR where the main line quick connects to the spigot on the FPR

    Just seems a bit moist at the front of the connector.

    Will dry it out with air and check again, when I replaced my FPR it was ****ing out everywhere and still starting tho so would expect it takes more air than this?

    Rob

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    If the high pressure pipe has a pinhole you will know about it. It won't be a dribble but a gusher.

    Regards Philip A

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    Hi Rob
    How long did engine run after you did petrol rag, I would think that the air would purge if it was running.
    Did bit stop running by itselfbor you turned it off by key?:
    Cheers
    Rob

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