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Thread: D2a 2004 Auto DOES lockup TC in 2nd gear !!

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    D2a 2004 Auto DOES lockup TC in 2nd gear !!

    To the best of my knowledge we all believe that the torque converter on the D2 auto only goes into lockup in 3rd and 4th gear ... well, after our last trip away I can definitley confirm that the auto (at least in my 2004 D2a) does go into lockup in 2nd gear !!

    I was able to repeat it 3 times, after the first time it locked up and I was most surprised, so tried again knowing the condition required to get it to lockup and was able to make it lockup in 2nd !!

    A big load on the back, a bit of an incline, and the shifter in 3rd, and using the cruise + button on the steering wheel to accelerate away .... tries to accelerate in 3rd (unlocked), goes for a bit but due to the slow progress it downshifts to 2nd (now at about 3300-3500rpm) ... accelerates away nicley, THEN goes into lockup ... pulls like a train to arround 55-65km/hr then upshifts to 3rd ....

    I ended up using the cruise to get up to speed alot as the last 3600km / 20 days of our trip the Td5 after around 5-7min of running from a cold start would start running like it had 4.5 cylinders .... found a tiny amount of oil in the injector loom plug at the head (no oil in the red ecu plug), and checking/cleaning the plug every 2-3 days showed little to no oil over what was originally found .... I suspect it's a failed injector as the rough running occured the same every morning after that 5-7minutes .... sometimes we struggled up hills in 2nd gear with the Td5 doing a very convincing 98lb weakling impersonation, and sometimes due to the (slight) grade and a tiny head/crosswind, there was no way it would hold 4th lockup .... requiring 3rd lockup at 2600-2700rpm to makes steady progress .... then the next day it would hold 4th lockup as long as the rpm was above 2100rpm (95km/hr).

    We drove from Innaminka to Birdsville, climbed Big Red, drove out into the Simpson, crossed the Strezlecki desert, and returned home via QLD Cunnamulla, Lightning Ridge, towing 1.5T of kamper trailer on 4-4.5-4.75 cylinders and the Td5 just did what was asked, with minimal to next to no extra fuel consumption ... says alot as to how robust an engine the Td5 is. Just wind it up to 3rd lockup and make progress.

    So, 2nd lockup does exist !!

    I'll do another post re the injector / loom once I get the codes off the Nanocom, but due to the specific repeatablity of the rough running after a specific time, every time, my money is on the injector being the culprit, as the amount of oil in the loom plug was almost nil.

    Great trip
    Kev..

    Going ... going ... almost gone ... GONE !! ... 2004 D2a Td5 Auto "Classic Country" Vienna Green

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    Interesting you say this. A couple of times on my last trip (4000km towing 2T van, home today) the TC did things I didn't think possible. One such was what felt like a 2nd gear lock up, though I had nowhere near as many rpm as you say. Just chugging up a hill into a nat park, prob 2300rpm part throttle, shifter in 3rd, car in second, say 40km/h. Temps (EGT, gearbox oil temp and coolant temp) all pretty safe (400/65/85 sort of thing, I don't recall the actual just that they were safe/stable). The TC just seemed to slip less all of a sudden though I didn't think it fully locked at the time.
    Did also manage to lock in 3rd once below 72km/h, took abt 3300rpm and it did it at 60. However with my tyres and weight and gradient it was not the best outcome, rpm ended up below 2000 so was a case of just tractoring up hill with light throttle to avoid EGT skyrocketing.
    With my van on, over 3000rpm unlocked just heats up the tranny too much, a couple of minutes on a decent hill unlocked = 90degrees if rpm at or over 3000. so I play it safe and back off till I get a downhill or flat section to get into lockup.

    I do want to find the trigger wire for the TC lock so I can figure out the voltages at play in certain circumstances. Also want to look at a manual activation button so I can force a lockup. That and the seats are the last pce of the puzzle for my bus and I'll be happy.

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    Yep, I've had the lockup in 3rd at less than 72km/hr quiet often .... high load, towing up a gradient, generous right foot application and it locks up at 60-65 ... most times it's beneficial ... sometimes you've already run out of enough steam to make it worthwhile.

    The manual TC lockup switch has been done and it works ... search the forum ... grounding the required wire that comes from the ecu under the passengers seat ... would need to be managed carefully as a downshift from 3rd to 2nd with a locked TC could be nasty !!
    Kev..

    Going ... going ... almost gone ... GONE !! ... 2004 D2a Td5 Auto "Classic Country" Vienna Green

    2014 MUX LST with fruit
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    Yes, had a bit of a rear around on it. Think my rule would be "no use of the button unless I'm shifted into that gear".

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    I'd like manual lock up available in low M mode...

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